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  1. 1. Who is your Man of the Match?

    • Mendy
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    • James
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    • Zouma
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    • Silva
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    • Chilwell
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    • Kante
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    • Mount
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    • Kovacic
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    • Pulisic
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    • Werner
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    • Abraham
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    • Hudson-Odoi (sub)
      8
    • Jorginho (sub)
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    • Havertz (sub)
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All smiles from our lot shaking hands at the end with Arsenal players, that's half the fucking problem.....mates, friendly, nice nice.....fucking dog shit mentality 

Need @Tomo to tell us how we don't gift points to all trash out of form teams, fucking joke.

Lampard needs to go, this is beyond awful, absolutely zero excuses.

As horrendous as Arse have been this will be an absolute slog just like much of the WH game was on Monday with all these key injuries. That's 3 of our most dangerous players out again with their replacements several levels worse than them.

This feels like it'll be one of those games where it's dreadfully poor for 85 minutes and 1 goal will win it.

If ever there was a time for Werner and Havertz to come out of their shells it's during the next week or two.

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7 minutes ago, Jason said:

+ Hakim Ziyech not fit to face Arsenal. 

This probably means that one of Werner or Pulisic will have to start 2 games in 3 days. 

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3 minutes ago, Pizy said:

As horrendous as Arse have been this will be an absolute slog just like much of the WH game was on Monday with all these key injuries. That's 3 of our most dangerous players out again with their replacements several levels worse than them.

Ziyech has played only like 5 ga...ah, never mind...

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Got a feeling that Lampard would defend this out specially with we missing our full backs and the last match against them was not a good one. 

Both teams need to win to get going but it could turn out to be a boring affair. 

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 I watched this game before ( FA Cup Finals 2017 , 2020  where we was big favorite  ) :)

so  2:0 for Arsenal  or  very hard 1:1 

 

--------------- Mendy -----------------

--Azpi---Zouma---Silva ----Emerson---

---Kante ---- Mount------Kovacic----

---Pulisic----Abraham----Werner----

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Chelsea to overtake Arsenal in all-time Premier League points? ‘Unbelievable’

https://theathletic.com/2278578/2020/12/23/chelsea-arsenal-premier-league/

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The last thing Arsenal fans will probably want to hear right now is another damning statistic.

Manager Mikel Arteta reeled off a list of numbers earlier in the week trying to explain and excuse their terrible Premier League form this season. It’s questionable whether the exercise helped his cause.

As Arsenal now prepare for one of the biggest derbies they’ve played against Chelsea in their history, getting a win on Saturday to put distance between themselves and the bottom three is obviously the main priority.

However, there is something else at stake, another negative landmark that the north Londoners will want to avoid. Should Chelsea get all three points at the Emirates Stadium, they will draw level with Arsenal in the all-time Premier League points table with 2,025 each.

Chelsea, Arsenal, Premier League

This was unthinkable when Arsene Wenger was in his pomp and Arsenal were winning doubles in 1998 and 2002, and securing the title with an unbeaten league record in 2004.

Arsenal’s great left-back Nigel Winterburn, who won seven major trophies at the club between 1987-2000, certainly thinks so. “As a stat it would be very sad,” he tells The Athletic. “I’m more concerned with other things, like staying up, but it just shows how things have changed. 

“There has been a power shift toward Chelsea over the years. Arsenal have become less of a force in the Premier League. This will probably be the fifth season in a row where they have finished outside the top four. That tells you everything.

“For Chelsea to draw level on total points, it means something. It shows the decline of Arsenal and also Chelsea’s improvement. They have been champions five times since Arsenal last finished top. It demonstrates you can’t rest on your laurels. The Premier League is ruthless.”

The story of this reversal of fortune in the two clubs’ respective points tallies is quite dramatic.

Chelsea have never finished a Premier League season above their rivals in terms of the total accrued since the competition began.

At the end of the first campaign in 1992-93, they were level on 56, but Arsenal had a superior goal difference. From then on, Arsenal’s advantage grew steadily. In the last full season before Wenger arrived (1995-96), they had built a lead of 30 over the west London side (241 points to 211).

Despite Chelsea beginning to invest in better players such as Ruud Gullit, Gianluca Vialli and Gianfranco Zola, Wenger’s abilities as a coach and Arsenal’s superior squad meant they surged clear. The gulf in class was evident back then.

Gustavo Poyet, who played for Chelsea between 1997-2001, can vouch for that. He was never on the winning side against Wenger’s men in a league game. “My record against them was terrible,” he admits. “It was pure frustration. It really hurt a lot. Something was not working. 

“They were a very good team, outstanding. They had everything. But they have never replaced Patrick Vieira and Emmanuel Petit. They never had that proper centre midfielder which made you think, ‘Oh my, someone is having to play against this’.

“When you faced those two, you knew you were in for a special game. I played in the position where I had to face them one week and Roy Keane at Manchester United the next. I very much felt like, ‘Thank you — all the best!’ 

Chelsea, Arsenal, Premier League

“There is a big difference between the Arsenal team now and the one I had to play against. I can’t remember seeing an Arsenal team in the last 10 years that made me think, ‘Wow, they’re back’. The cause of the decline is a combination of players, managers and board. You can’t just blame one person.”

As The Athletic’s table illustrates, when Wenger won his first Premier League and FA Cup double in 1998, Arsenal had built a 54-point lead over Chelsea (387-333). It had increased to 97 (695-598) after he repeated the feat four years later and went as high as 119 (863-744) at the end of their remarkable 2003-o4 domination of England’s top division.

That advantage took Arsenal 13 years of hard work and exemplary football to build. It has taken Chelsea 16-and-a-half years to catch up, but catch up they have.

Poyet adds: “To see Chelsea go level on points? Unbelievable. Chelsea are an example of how things progress, not just over one year, but over many years. The impact is bigger when the financial side is significant. At the start of the Premier League, what Chelsea did in the market was so-so. It was difficult for them to win trophies. Then foreigners like myself came in the mid-to-late 1990s and Chelsea started winning cups. We were getting better, but something was missing. It took Roman Abramovich buying the club in 2003 and Jose Mourinho joining as manager a year later to go to the next level.

“Obviously when the gap was at its biggest that was the stage when Mourinho arrived. Chelsea have been more consistent ever since and regularly getting more points, whereas Arsenal have had more downs than ups.

“Has there been a change in the balance of power? Without any doubt. Chelsea have been the ones on top in most areas over the last 17 years. Abramovich has been key, but Arsenal also haven’t found the formula.”

By the time Mourinho’s last full season of his first spell as Chelsea manager (2004-07) came to an end, the gap had already been reduced by 51 points to 68 (1,081-1,013). Significantly, Chelsea had also overtaken Liverpool for third spot in the standings (Arsenal moved to second in 2002. Manchester United have been top since winning the first-ever Premier League in 1992-93).

The distance between them was down to 44 (1,311-1,267) following Carlo Ancelotti’s Premier League and FA Cup double as Chelsea manager in 2010. It has been a bit harder over the last decade to finish the job of erasing Arsenal’s lead, mainly because they gave 21 points back in 2015-16 for them to go 51 clear (1,747-1,696). This was the season where Mourinho was sacked for a second time and defending champions Chelsea finished a distant 10th  — their lowest final placing in the Abramovich era.

But that campaign has been very much the exception to the norm and Winterburn can only see the trend getting worse, even if Arsenal beat Chelsea this weekend.

“I look at the quality of players we have now to my day, there is no comparison,” he says. “I look at the current generation and wonder who would get into my group? Maybe a few would get in the squad, I don’t think anyone would be in the first XI.

“Our real strength as a club was we intimidated teams with the players we had. That is half of Arsenal’s problem now. Clubs aren’t intimidated when they play Arsenal anymore. That’s quite sad to say that. Teams relish playing Arsenal. 

“Regardless of whether Arsenal win against Chelsea to take their overall lead back to six points, I’d expect Chelsea to be ahead come the end of this season. They’ve lost a few games lately but they’re playing with more of a swagger. They have a lot of attacking options. Conversely, who else is going to score (for Arsenal) if Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang isn’t doing it or is injured? I don’t think even the most diehard Arsenal fan will believe Chelsea won’t have more points.

Chelsea, Arsenal, Premier League

“Since Abramovich came in, Chelsea have spent more money. Arsenal still recruit, but it has to work better. Chelsea will keep doing what they’re doing and Arsenal have to find a way with the budget they have.

“But it’s all very well identifying players. Do they want to join Arsenal at this moment in time? Thomas Partey and Gabriel have been good but…

“Do I fear Arsenal will miss out on signings if Chelsea go for the same player now? I have to say yes. It looks as if Chelsea are going one way and Arsenal are going in the opposite direction, the wrong direction. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out someone will choose the club on an upward trajectory over one that is struggling.”  

Arsenal have shown in recent years that they can get the better of Chelsea. They caused an upset to beat them in the 2017 and 2020 FA Cup finals. But as Poyet insists: “Those are one-off games, where anything can happen. The trend, the league table, doesn’t lie.”

And for Arsenal, it only seems a matter of when, not if, they fall behind Chelsea in total Premier League points for the very first time.

There are no stats from Arteta which could ease the painful reality of that.

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I kinda like the idea of starting our fastest possible attack with Timo up top flanked by CHO and CP but I doubt Frank will suddenly change the system so drastically all of a sudden sadly. Arse's CB's are calamitous so Werner playing through the middle could do some real damage. Plus, with the likes of Luiz and Mustafi or whoever they play Werner's pace could also draw a penalty.

But I think Frank loves the idea of a traditional #9 too much to do it. I would definitely have thought Giroud would start this since he'll be really up for it against Arse but then Tammy went and scored a couple so likely won't be dropped.

 

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With the short term turnover between Arsenal and Villa we will need to decide which match to use Thiago Silva, and i think it may be Villa!

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12 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

The pundits on ESPN said there will actually be more pressure on Chelsea in this match, because anything other than a win against this team would be unacceptable.

I'm so nervous about this match given how the stage is being set,...will take any kind of win. Even if we scrape it by some fluke.

Losing or drawing in any way would be beyond embarrassing.

Also have to hope that no shit refereeing or VAR decision comes into the picture. Would be typical for the officials to grant Arse or one of our rival teams a favor

Count on us getting nothing all 50/50's will go there way

6 hours ago, bigbluewillie said:

Such bloody negativity on here...some backbone and belief wouldn't go amiss.

Stop worrying about Arse FFS

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KTBFFH

Yup fair point, but sadly its a Chelsea thing to give strugglers a helping hand when they need it the most, we have seen this movie a zillion times.

I would let Werner play striker, his speed would kill them proper.

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This game has disaster written all over it. Wouldn't be surprised if Willian pulls out one of his four good games in the season in this one and Blood Clart Yang reverts to his peak powers for a game. 

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

With the short term turnover between Arsenal and Villa we will need to decide which match to use Thiago Silva, and i think it may be Villa!

Your underestimation of Arsenal is disturbing. 

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28 minutes ago, Jason said:

Your underestimation of Arsenal is disturbing. 

Well in fairness I said Arteta wouldn't last the season when you and others were knocking him off....

Furthermore, this is about deciding which of the two matches we need him more for, are you seriously suggesting Arsenal are better than Villa at present? If so I'm very curious to hear the reasoning, to say the least.

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