Muzchap 8,966 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Magic Lamps said: The first sentence is correct but neither did Higs play under Conte nor did he ever score 2 goals vs Burnley Don't crush his dreams 😳 All I will say is Burnley looked well organised against Spurs and I thought we will have trouble breaking them down. It's nice to see me being pessimistic and you guys so optimistic 👍🤣🤣🤣 Hutcho 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Yeah Burnley were very good vs spurs. Lucky we are better than that bunch (hopefully). Muzchap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, Hutcho said: Yeah Burnley were very good vs spurs. Lucky we are better than that bunch (hopefully). Not so sure. On current form, Son is better than any of our attackers and in his prime. But we have a player who on his day can unlock any defence in the world and that is Ziyech. We have to get him on the ball as often as possible. this game could be tailor made for Giroud to start to give Tarkowski and his fellow thugs a something to be occupied with and bring Werner on as sub as I expect Burnley to be stand so deep there will be hardly any space for Timo. I can also see us needing RJ's strength to contain their physical threat which is basically everything they have on an individual level. Just heavy, thuggish players. If Havertz starts he is in for a rough ride. Muzchap, killer1257, bigbluewillie and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiterto 37 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Hope Lampard does not play Jorginho. He will bullied by the Burnley thugs and they will rob the ball from him in very dangerous areas. In my opinion he is a great player but for another league and not EPL Otherwise my team: Mendy Reece Silva Zouma Chillwell Kante Mount Havertz Ziyech Werner Pulisic We need this win badly to stay in top 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Not so sure. On current form, Son is better than any of our attackers and in his prime. But we have a player who on his day can unlock any defence in the world and that is Ziyech. We have to get him on the ball as often as possible. this game could be tailor made for Giroud to start to give Tarkowski and his fellow thugs a something to be occupied with and bring Werner on as sub as I expect Burnley to be stand so deep there will be hardly any space for Timo. I can also see us needing RJ's strength to contain their physical threat which is basically everything they have on an individual level. Just heavy, thuggish players. If Havertz starts he is in for a rough ride.Oh they have a better attack at the moment no doubt. But they're spurs. Muzchap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 6 hours ago, Jason said: I guess but it doesn't change the fact that they managed to take points off us in at least one game in 2014/15, 2016/17, 2017/18 and 2018/19. We have dropped points against them in 4 of the last 10 matches. That's basically almost half of it. Many were unique type of circumstances. 14/15 we lost our shit due to the injustice of Matic's red, 17/18 we dominated with 9 men and they fluked it and 18/19 we should have finished the game off before letting them back in. The only time they've truly made it difficult for us in terms of imposing their tactics was the 1-1 in 16/17, the rest of them was basically us shooting ourselves in the foot and/or god being on Burnley's side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 30, 2020 Author Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, Tomo said: Many were unique type of circumstances. 14/15 we lost our shit due to the injustice of Matic's red, 17/18 we dominated with 9 men and they fluked it and 18/19 we should have finished the game off before letting them back in. The only time they've truly made it difficult for us in terms of imposing their tactics was the 1-1 in 16/17, the rest of them was basically us shooting ourselves in the foot and/or god being on Burnley's side. Doesn't the change the fact that they still took points off us, whether it's by luck or not... Muzchap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, Jason said: Doesn't the change the fact that they still took points off us, whether it's by luck or not... But they ain't anywhere near as tough to play as the likes of Big Sam's Bolton or Pulis' Stoke (or even his West Brom), which was my initial point. Milan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 30, 2020 Author Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, Tomo said: But they ain't anywhere near as tough to play as the likes of Big Sam's Bolton or Pulis' Stoke (or even his West Brom), which was my initial point. And yet, we still contrived to drop points against them... IIRC, we have a better record against Pulis' Stoke than Sean Dyche's Burnley (not that it's bad but it's mixed). Muzchap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jason said: And yet, we still contrived to drop points against them... IIRC, we have a better record against Pulis' Stoke than Sean Dyche's Burnley (not that it's bad but it's mixed). Maybe but we always had to work for wins vs them, apart from the 7-0 playing his Stoke were painful grinds and that was with our old guard, imagine if last seasons lot faced them? Kepa and AC vs Delap throw ins Burnley we tend to outplay whether we get the result or not (cue an outlier tomorrow) and three of our easiest wins of the last two and a half years came vs them. Stats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 30, 2020 Author Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, Tomo said: Maybe but we always had to work for wins vs them, apart from the 7-0 playing his Stoke were painful grinds and that was with our old guard, imagine if this lot faced them? Kepa and AC vs Delap throw ins Burnley we tend to outplay whether we get the result or not (cue an outlier tomorrow) and three of our easiest wins of the last two and a half years came vs them. Yeah, Pulis' Stoke may be tougher but we still contrived to drop points against Burnley, however you want to spin it... And we do have a better record against Pulis' Stoke than Dyche's Burnley - 8 wins and 2 draws in 10 league games against Stoke compared to 6 wins, 3 draws and 1 loss in 10 league games against Burnley. Muzchap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,325 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Pulisic destroyed them last season, now we have 4 players on this level in attack so it is all about us. Plus much better defense. bigbluewillie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 30, 2020 Author Share Posted October 30, 2020 Burnley and Sheffield United are the two lowest goalscoring sides with 3 goals so far (3 in 5 for Burnley and 3 in 6 for Sheffield United) and they are our 2 next league opponents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 45 minutes ago, Jason said: Burnley and Sheffield United are the two lowest goalscoring sides with 3 goals so far (3 in 5 for Burnley and 3 in 6 for Sheffield United) and they are our 2 next league opponents... We know this movie only too well Muzchap and Simon1991 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azul 1,615 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 We need to make a statement tomorrow. Our defense looks like it has massively improved, and our players showed a lot of quality attacking wise against Krasnodar who are arguably a better team than Burnley. If we beat Burnley 4-0 as well then it shows that it is possible for us to challenge for the title with this team. I don't want to get too gassed but Liverpool are in shambles, and Man City look very ordinary this season. It's our chance to do the unthinkable, I just hope that Lampard has the tactical prowess to change our season. bigbluewillie and lucio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Azul said: We need to make a statement tomorrow. Our defense looks like it has massively improved, and our players showed a lot of quality attacking wise against Krasnodar who are arguably a better team than Burnley. If we beat Burnley 4-0 as well then it shows that it is possible for us to challenge for the title with this team. I don't want to get too gassed but Liverpool are in shambles, and Man City look very ordinary this season. It's our chance to do the unthinkable, I just hope that Lampard has the tactical prowess to change our season. Burnley surely will be more of a fight than skeleton crew Krasnodar. It depends whether Ziyech, Kai et al can handle theirthugball. Also Silva vs the much bigger men Barnes and Wood will be interesting. If we handle their phyiscality well by simply not letting them get near the bal and run them tiredwe will surely win but one bad fuckup at the back and they park the bus it will get tough. Muzchap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,491 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 12 hours ago, Magic Lamps said: The first sentence is correct but neither did Higs play under Conte nor did he ever score 2 goals vs Burnley Not under Conte but there was a completely avoidable 2-2 where Hig scored one not two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vytis33 1,272 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Hakim had a look about him last game I think he's gonna be fun to watch if he stays healthy. And King Mendy just keep doing your thing back there we'll sort everything else out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azul 1,615 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 13 hours ago, Magic Lamps said: Burnley surely will be more of a fight than skeleton crew Krasnodar. It depends whether Ziyech, Kai et al can handle theirthugball. Also Silva vs the much bigger men Barnes and Wood will be interesting. If we handle their phyiscality well by simply not letting them get near the bal and run them tiredwe will surely win but one bad fuckup at the back and they park the bus it will get tough. Burnley will be tough when it comes to their physicality, I don't think they offer anything offensively. In my opinion, the lesser teams in CL are tougher than Burnley if you compare the teams. However 99% is about mentality in football, and I think that Chelsea and other PL teams see Burnley as a tough side which already gives them some sort of an edge. Muzchap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 4-3-3? Havertz starts again while Werner is on the bench. Muzchap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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