closed Man United 0-0 Chelsea

[Special Juan 28,141]

14 minutes ago, BluesMadLad said:

So the 3 big saves he made are all Wiped off because of 1 shit pass? Also man utd are by no means a BAD team 

That's exactly my point, Mendy was our lifeline, Silva was solid as rock and that is all we can talk about along with a clean sheet.

This was another lifeless performance and only a fucking sea lion would of clapped at this. 

Millions we have spent this window and we are happy to take a point at OT against a United side who are every bit as lifeless as us?

Bullshit, our mentality tells us we are happy with 0-0, have we really become that?

[The Skipper 20,609]

49 minutes ago, Muzchap said:

Well thanks for the depressing conversation guys and gals.

I'm happy with the result - we have stopped leaking stupid goals and the team looks more organised.

Lots of new players all needing to bed in and arguably the toughest league in the world.

If we are still having shit at Xmas maybe I will change my mind about SFL management. Just sad to see a forum of Chelsea fans being super negative about every aspect all of the time...

I genuinely think Frank should be given the season at the very least. He's owed that after bringing many fantastic players to the club. 

You'd hope that playing with 5 defenders and a better goalkeeper would get us there. It's probably a good step for the teams defensive confidence, and I genuinely hope that this is what Frank was thinking with the way he set us up today and against Sevilla. It's not a long term solution however obviously - at some point he's going to have to figure out how to play our best players together properly. 

The problem for me is, I can't put my full faith behind Frank as a manager just yet, he's still a rookie who makes a lot of mistakes. What I don't understand is that some seem to think he'll definitely pull through and figure things out, but he has no real track record for us to look back on - he's essentially learning on the job.

What I also don't like is that people think Frank is above criticism. Look, I love Lamps, I was there at Villa Park when he broke the record, and he is in my opinion top 3 Chels ever. But that doesn't mean he's flawless. He's also just gone out and spent £200m+. As mentioned before to yourself, it's really not the same as last season where his hands were tied. Naturally when you invest so much you want to see returns. We aren't seeing a resemblance of this yet, we've had a few very very small flashes so far but nothing to keep us optimistic long term. 

We shouldn't think that because he was one of our best ever that he automatically be a great manager for us either. 

People are well within their rights to criticise how we lined up today imo. Felt like Utd were there for the taking. Level on points last season, we've invested a lot more than them too. 

It's not a matter of patience in my opinion when you can't see or don't feel like we're actually headed in the right direction. Now, looking at our next few fixtures we should be favourites. This is going to be a pivotal few weeks for Lampard, because it's not just the fans he needs to keep onside - it's the players too. How many have forgotten what he's promised guys like Werner, Ziyech, Havertz? What actually drew them to Chelsea. All of them mention the style of play and system. What system and philosophy did he sell to them? Because I'm yet to point my finger on it. 

I genuinely hope I'm wrong and wish Lampard succeeds but he needs to get his vision and this team up and running properly now. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,317]

11 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

He's also just gone out and spent £200m+

There was a discussion on here way back -where it was ascertained that managers are 'consulted' about transfers earmarked by scouts and rubber stamped by Marina et al. We dont know what actual say Lampard had in who was arriving, so it will definitely take a while to see fruition. But keep the faith ...and 

KTBFFH

[Johnnyeye 7,510]

19 minutes ago, milka said:

hahaha, me cleaning my glasses 🤣

[Jase 43,479]

13 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

I genuinely think Frank should be given the season at the very least. He's owed that after bringing many fantastic players to the club. 

You'd hope that playing with 5 defenders and a better goalkeeper would get us there. It's probably a good step for the teams defensive confidence, and I genuinely hope that this is what Frank was thinking with the way he set us up today and against Sevilla. It's not a long term solution however obviously - at some point he's going to have to figure out how to play our best players together properly. 

The problem for me is, I can't put my full faith behind Frank as a manager just yet, he's still a rookie who makes a lot of mistakes. What I don't understand is that some seem to think he'll definitely pull through and figure things out, but he has no real track record for us to look back on - he's essentially learning on the job.

What I also don't like is that people think Frank is above criticism. Look, I love Lamps, I was there at Villa Park when he broke the record, and he is in my opinion top 3 Chels ever. But that doesn't mean he's flawless. He's also just gone out and spent £200m+. As mentioned before to yourself, it's really not the same as last season where his hands were tied. Naturally when you invest so much you want to see returns. We aren't seeing a resemblance of this yet, we've had a few very very small flashes so far but nothing to keep us optimistic long term. 

We shouldn't think that because he was one of our best ever that he automatically be a great manager for us either. 

People are well within their rights to criticise how we lined up today imo. Felt like Utd were there for the taking. Level on points last season, we've invested a lot more than them too. 

It's not a matter of patience in my opinion when you can't see or don't feel like we're actually headed in the right direction. Now, looking at our next few fixtures we should be favourites. This is going to be a pivotal few weeks for Lampard, because it's not just the fans he needs to keep onside - it's the players too. How many have forgotten what he's promised guys like Werner, Ziyech, Havertz? What actually drew them to Chelsea. All of them mention the style of play and system. What system and philosophy did he sell to them? Because I'm yet to point my finger on it. 

I genuinely hope I'm wrong and wish Lampard succeeds but he needs to get his vision and this team up and running properly now. 

All fair points. It's like what Ziyech said recently - "it'll take time but we also don't have time". Team progression and getting results are definitely needed in the coming weeks if Lampard doesn't want the pressure to be even more on him.

15 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

The problem for me is, I can't put my full faith behind Frank as a manager just yet, he's still a rookie who makes a lot of mistakes. What I don't understand is that some seem to think he'll definitely pull through and figure things out, but he has no real track record for us to look back on - he's essentially learning on the job.

Same also applies to his backroom staff. It's all like the blind leading the blind at the moment and don't think we can afford that at a club like ours for too long.

[Fulham Broadway 17,317]

18 minutes ago, Johnnyeye said:

hahaha, me cleaning my glasses 🤣

Spat my beer out at that 

[cosmicway 1,333]

MU with Atkinson engine.
We escaped defeat thanks to Kepa staying home.

 

 

[Vesper 30,185]

39 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

At least, Willian did not lose the ball like Kante does on a regular basis

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its a huge issue

Kante and Zouma just kneecap us with the shit passing and the turnovers

I feel like a broken record

[cosmicway 1,333]

Not only that but one minute after the Mc Guire - Azpi embrace, Atkinson varred us for a possible penalty in favour of United !
I thought for a moment he was lookin for Mc Guire but it was us being investigated - for nothing !!

[Henrique 9,133]

1 hour ago, Muzchap said:

He has played in the last few games since being declared fit? 

As in every chance he has had to participate- he has been.

If he played from the start people would also complain...

I see, after reading the other posts you are just here finding excuses to justify "STF" decisions, to the point you have to say Zyech is getting plenty of opportunities, when in reality he is getting 10 or 15 minutes per game. 

[Vesper 30,185]

41 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

That's exactly my point, Mendy was our lifeline, Silva was solid as rock and that is all we can talk about along with a clean sheet.

This was another lifeless performance and only a fucking sea lion would of clapped at this. 

Millions we have spent this window and we are happy to take a point at OT against a United side who are every bit as lifeless as us?

Bullshit, our mentality tells us we are happy with 0-0, have we really become that?

Reece was very good too

those 3 were the only ones who played well

[Muzchap 8,966]

21 minutes ago, Henrique said:

I see, after reading the other posts you are just here finding excuses to justify "STF" decisions, to the point you have to say Zyech is getting plenty of opportunities, when in reality he is getting 10 or 15 minutes per game. 

Yes a returning from injury player getting cameo appearances is typically how it works. Look at how Chilwell was integrated.

The problem for Ziyech is he currently looks off the pace and doesn't warrant a starting position. This was in contrast to Chilwell.

STF was probably an autocorrect of SFL - I have been here for almost 10 years and I remember your criticism of all managers well 👍 I actually don't mind the debating with you on opposing subjects. 

Our club has had a bad philosophy of hiring and firing managers, this has left us with a ridiculous bloated squad where it is hard to shift players on. 

We need at least 3-4 seasons of stability to clear out the dead wood. Was SFL my first choice? No. BUT whilst he is here I will back him as much is possible.

He achieved CL football in his first season - he has hit the requirements demanded of him. We definitely rode our luck, but he did it nonetheless.

This has now earned him a shot at this season and extra players. If at the end of the season we haven't improved then Frank will have little defence of that and neither will I.

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

43 minutes ago, Vesper said:

its a huge issue

Kante and Zouma just kneecap us with the shit passing and the turnovers

I feel like a broken record

In the last minute Kante had the ball in a good shooting position.
Just try it and let De Gea save it for heavens sake.
He kept dribbling himself and the match ended with a United attack.

[Muzchap 8,966]

1 hour ago, Special Juan said:

That's exactly my point, Mendy was our lifeline, Silva was solid as rock and that is all we can talk about along with a clean sheet.

This was another lifeless performance and only a fucking sea lion would of clapped at this. 

Millions we have spent this window and we are happy to take a point at OT against a United side who are every bit as lifeless as us?

Bullshit, our mentality tells us we are happy with 0-0, have we really become that?

Massive over reaction. I would expect in a few days you will be embarrassed at this... 

[Muzchap 8,966]

3 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

In the last minute Kante had the ball in a good shooting position.
Just try it and let De Gea save it for heavens sake.
He kept dribbling himself and the match ended with a United attack.

Yeah if you don't buy a lottery ticket you can't win it. It could have drflected in, DeGea could have had a Kepa moment- anything could have happened.

Kante has so much confidence until he reaches the periphery of their box and then just goes to shit. It's definitely a mental thing with him. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

Silva: that tackle/block on his buddy Cavani at the end of the game was something else.

Mendy looks like an excellent gk what a signing! He's twice the goalie Kepa is and that's completely unrelated to form.

Patience... lots of new players who are also new to the league.

[cosmicway 1,333]

Just now, Muzchap said:

Yeah if you don't buy a lottery ticket you can't win it. It could have drflected in, DeGea could have had a Kepa moment- anything could have happened.

Kante has so much confidence until he reaches the periphery of their box and then just goes to shit. It's definitely a mental thing with him. 

No lottery ticket. Some of the good Chelsea names have demolished goal posts from that angle.

[Henrique 9,133]

53 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

I genuinely think Frank should be given the season at the very least. He's owed that after bringing many fantastic players to the club. 

I'm convinced he will keep his job no matter what happens this season.The days of firing managers after a bad run are dead in the water. Conte was fired because he thought he could enter in a fight with Marina, and that was a losing battle, but he survived during the worst period of 17/18 season. Sarri also had some results that would be enough to fire a manager in the past. Lampard's job is safe, specially because he understand the club's internal politics, he knows he is only the coach and he is not the one making the decisions, and it comes to your second sentence: Lampard didn't bring any new player to the club, he is not the one getting new players. Since ages we know the club gets the players despite what the manager is thinking and they have to work with the squad at his disposal. Lampard himself made it clear more than one time in interviews and press conferences: he is not the one making the decisions, "its up to the club".

Thats what makes me concerned: he will keep his job no matter what. At first sight it might be an indication of a club that is thinking about a long term project and is convinced the manager will bring the results at some point in the future, but I'm not convinced the club hired Lampard because they believe he can become a great coach, it seems they were thinking in something else: a living legend like Lampard as the manager makes the fans more patience and less demanding; another thing is, as you said, Lampard is a "rookie", so he knows his place inside the club, he knows Marina is the big boss, he is not in a position to make big demands and enter in a power struggle with Marina. Actually I'm sure Lampard is Marina's biggest fan, because she hired him when he was just a Championship coach with just okay results, she backed him during difficult times and bought the players he said he needed. 

I'm afraid we might be entering in a Arsenal/Wenger or New York Knicks kind of situation: results don't matter that much, as long as the financial results are looking good.  

[Vesper 30,185]

1 minute ago, Muzchap said:

Yeah if you don't buy a lottery ticket you can't win it. It could have drflected in, DeGea could have had a Kepa moment- anything could have happened.

Kante has so much confidence until he reaches the periphery of their box and then just goes to shit. It's definitely a mental thing with him. 

he is shit at passing all over the field, not just near the box

not picking on you at all

its the same thing every week now

I love the 3 out of 4 clean sheets

but now our offence has basically went into the shitter

something has to give

I think if Arse and Leicester draw, that we have a shot at being 11th after all teams are level on 6 games

bottom half of the table is NOT acceptable

main thing tempering me atm from going completely off on the tactics, Lamps, etc is that stolen pen

I am just drained tbh

 

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

What do you think about Timo and Kai ?
I think Timo is doing well and against Sevilla it was an exception. Today he did not have any real good chances.
But Kai -for the moment- is for Aston Villa.