cosmicway 1,000 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 He looks like a player who needs spaces to operate and there are n't any these days. Maybe the legend Charle Cook who played in a similar position would n't be that much of a legend in today's football. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fulham Broadway 14,601 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Technical ability is there, definitely, he just seems to have inherited Alonsos languid style. Just a phase hopefully 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 42,287 Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said: Technical ability is there, definitely, he just seems to have inherited Alonsos languid style. Just a phase hopefully Long story short, he is rather similar to Ozil. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fulham Broadway 14,601 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Jason said: Long story short, he is rather similar to Ozil. He is not that bug eyed and paid 350k a week to go shopping 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
communicate 2,703 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 On 12/16/2020 at 7:23 AM, Jason said: Gotta wonder whether all this shoehorning from Lampard has been more bad than good... Also find it a bit strange that Lampard took like 2 months to integrate Pulisic last season but immediately threw Havertz into the fire and doesn't seem to want to take him out of it for a while. Lamp did well of benching Pulisic. He kinda have to do the same thing with Kai. Maybe covid affected him, I don't know. Early in the season, he has problem against epl physicality now he is just suck at everything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Puliiszola 519 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 On 12/16/2020 at 4:53 AM, Jason said: Gotta wonder whether all this shoehorning from Lampard has been more bad than good... Also find it a bit strange that Lampard took like 2 months to integrate Pulisic last season but immediately threw Havertz into the fire and doesn't seem to want to take him out of it for a while. Probably because Puli was not a "Lamps' buy". The club had bought him 6 months ago. Kai is "his" buy and hence, he is looking for instant results. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 42,287 Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Puliiszola said: Probably because Puli was not a "Lamps' buy". The club had bought him 6 months ago. Kai is "his" buy and hence, he is looking for instant results. Probably so but just going by Lampard's explanation last season, he should try to do the same with Havertz. Unless Havertz starts to pick it up, trying to shoehorn him now doesn't help anyone's cause. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigbluewillie 1,324 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 The knockers. I have no problem in that I think Havertz does have it to succeed here but it will take time, it's obvious he hasn't hit the ground running. But that said have you learnt nothing from Mourinho dumping De Bruyne, and Mo Salah, look how not being patient and allowing a player to grow turned out for them. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dimmas 73 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 14 hours ago, Jason said: Long story short, he is rather similar to Ozil. Really? This is the best hope i also have But so far, he is really nothing special. Far worse than ozil, mata. He seems have a good touch, vision, technically talented. But he seems lacking something really essential He is too easy to dispossed, his mentality and his dribbling ability is also worrying, is not just about the pace because neither ozil and mata has it I know i'm being really harsh. But sometimes I even questioned his basic skill to become top or standout player. The way he shielding the ball is sad too see, barely have any desire to create anything, his tendency to choose safe passing is a bit too much for me, and too many matches i saw him barely giving any threat to our opposition, bar barnsley and sevilla game 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Puliiszola 519 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, bigbluewillie said: The knockers. I have no problem in that I think Havertz does have it to succeed here but it will take time, it's obvious he hasn't hit the ground running. But that said have you learnt nothing from Mourinho dumping De Bruyne, and Mo Salah, look how not being patient and allowing a player to grow turned out for them. KDB's case is very different to Kai's. KDB's quality was evident even in the one game he did play against Hull. It was simply a case of Jose preferring Oscar over KDB. Oscar himself was considered to be a sort of a prodigy and simply turned out to be a DUD. If anything, Kai is being given the trust and the time to settle, he is hyped up and well rated. Everything akin to Oscar. Rather than KDB, he should be compared to Oscar and we should worry that he is not an expensive OSCAR. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Mikel OBE 4,463 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 On 12/16/2020 at 2:16 PM, Fulham Broadway said: He is not that bug eyed and paid 350k a week to go shopping He's never led his nation to a world cup either. He'd do well to accomplish half of what Erdogan's buddy has. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vesper 21,766 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Ballack comments on comparison between Chelsea's Havertz and Leverkusen's Wirtz https://www.thechelseachronicle.com/news/ballack-comments-on-comparison-between-chelseas-havertz-and-leverkusens-wirtz/ Michael Ballack has played down comparisons between Chelsea star Kai Havertz and Bayer Leverkusen’s teenage sensation Florian Wirtz. Leverkusen just cannot stop producing these unbelievably talented attacking midfielders, can they? After Havertz joined Chelsea in the summer, the Bundesliga side have already found a replacement in Wirtz. The 17-year-old has four goals and five assists in just 16 appearances in all competitions for Leverkusen; an incredible feat for such a young player. Unsurprisingly, there have been suggestions that Wirtz might even have more potential than his one-time teammate. Former Chelsea and Leverkusen icon Ballack believes it is too early to compare the two. “That can’t be said yet, because Kai Havertz was also able to mature for a few years,” the former Germany international told Sport1. “It is Wirtz’s first year as a regular player. But he does it well above average.” While Ballack said the teenager is improving and has caught up well physically, he still thinks what Havertz did at Leverkusen was unheard of. “Wirtz is a different type than Havertz and is smaller. “Havertz’s statistics were unparalleled at his age, so be careful with comparisons.” In his last season at Leverkusen, Havertz managed 16 goals and eight assists in all competitions. Some Chelsea fans understandably have reservations about the 21-year-old after his recent poor performances, but recent bias might have influenced some people’s opinions of him. Havertz might have taken more time to adapt than some would expect, but his record speaks for itself. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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MoroccanBlue 3,443 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 His flaws have nothing to do with being out of position. When the player himself cannot do the basics right, It's a confidence issue. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0007 505 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 As much as I doubt Frank is gonna make it here, I am glad he is level-headed and reasonable enough to give the kid enough time to settle in. He didn't mention any names but it was obvious that he referred to guys like De Bruyne and Salah when talking about players coming back to the PL as a stars despite not making it the first time round. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 42,287 Posted December 18, 2020 Author Share Posted December 18, 2020 28 minutes ago, 0007 said: As much as I doubt Frank is gonna make it here, I am glad he is level-headed and reasonable enough to give the kid enough time to settle in. He didn't mention any names but it was obvious that he referred to guys like De Bruyne and Salah when talking about players coming back to the PL as a stars despite not making it the first time round. To be fair unless it's Mourinho, no sane manager is gonna pile pressure on their own players. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0007 505 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Jason said: To be fair unless it's Mourinho, no sane manager is gonna pile pressure on their own players. In front of the media, yeah. But there are a lot others who doesn't have the patience when it comes to young players and expect sudden impact. I guess the price tag also plays a part. It was easier to get rid of them both when we haven't invested a shit ton of money into them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 42,287 Posted December 18, 2020 Author Share Posted December 18, 2020 27 minutes ago, 0007 said: In front of the media, yeah. But there a lot others who doesn't have the patience when it comes to young players and expect sudden impact. I guess the price tag also plays a part. It was easier to get rid of them both when we haven't invested a shit ton of money into them. Havertz is also Lampard's signing. Would invite a lot of pressure if he were to just bin him. Moreover, whatever faults Lampard has as a manager right now, his man management of the players isn't one of them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NikkiCFC 5,720 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/55357793 Wayne Rooney's son Kai signs for Manchester United Rooney has a kid named Kai Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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