Declan Rice

[killer1257 3,282]

Rice kicked our arse in both those games too
take him off their squad we would have won

In the last game, Antonio kicked our arse the most

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[Kajo 176]

Are we really convinced Rice is the answer for our CB need? The thing is he didn't even play as a CB this season apart from just one game.

[Jase 43,479]

12 minutes ago, Kajo said:

Are we really convinced Rice is the answer for our CB need? The thing is he didn't even play as a CB this season apart from just one game.

But he played there in his youth days? So, it's not like he doesn't have the know-how of how to play in that position. Plus his versatility to play as a CB and DM would be valuable. 

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But he played there in his youth days? So, it's not like he doesn't have the know-how of how to play in that position. Plus his versatility to play as a CB and DM would be valuable. 

He was considered not good enough for Chelsea when he was at Chelsea playing CB. Now after he played good as a DM, he should start playing CB?
Would be horrible paying 80 mio Euros for a DM and start playing him as CB. I have read on twitter from West Ham fans that his potential is wasted as CB

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6 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

He was considered not good enough for Chelsea when he was at Chelsea playing CB. Now after he played good as a DM, he should start playing CB?
Would be horrible paying 80 mio Euros for a DM and start playing him as CB. I have read on twitter from West Ham fans that his potential is wasted as CB

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Letting players go like that doesn't mean much when they are so early in their development. Slightly different scenario but we sold the likes of Salah and De Bruyne because of 1-2 bad performances, only to be proven wrong later.

In any case, am just speculating what Lampard wants to do with Rice. He may well have a good plan to make him a good CB or may end just using him as a DM. 

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My thinking is if he was such a great CB they wouldn't play him in the midfield especially when they were close to relegation. There's a reason why Ferdinand or Terry never went full season playing as a midfielders.

[Jype 6,398]

3 hours ago, Kajo said:

My thinking is if he was such a great CB they wouldn't play him in the midfield especially when they were close to relegation. There's a reason why Ferdinand or Terry never went full season playing as a midfielders.

Moyes did say he considers Rice to be both his best midfielder and best CB, so the position he's been playing could be more of an indicator to the quality of other players they have over at West Ham rather than Rice himself. If they have decent enough CBs but no good alternative for Rice at DM, it's an easy choice to play him in midfield if he's good at both.

I'd like to see how Rice does at a better team before making any judgment on what his best position is. At CB his level is still unknown but as a DM he's already quality and it would be worth having him for midfield alone and if he can develop into a good CB that's only a bonus. As a DM I see some of the same qualities in Rice than Nemanja Matic circa 2014 and he could be a really good sitting DM behind two more attacking-minded central midfielders (let's say Mount and Havertz). 

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36 minutes ago, Jype said:

As a DM I see some of the same qualities in Rice than Nemanja Matic circa 2014 and

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he could be a really good sitting DM behind two more attacking-minded central midfielders (let's say Mount and Havertz)

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he is FAR better on the ball and far more athletic than Matic, but this above is dead spot on

put Ginter and Dunk behind him, and Predrag at keeper (or Onana, or, etc etc etc)

and we will allow 15 to 20 less (at least) league goals

 

[killer1257 3,282]

he is FAR better on the ball and far more athletic than Matic, but this above is dead spot on
put Ginter and Dunk behind him, and Predrag at keeper (or Onana, or, etc etc etc)
and we will allow 15 to 20 less (at least) league goals
 

You rate Dunk?

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4 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

You rate Dunk?

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absolutely

for a fair price

he is solid, great in the air, big, not super pacy but is really good postionally, can lead a defence and LOVES Chelsea since he was a wee lad

I have seen him have some absolute MONSTER games over the past few years

 

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2 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

You rate Dunk?

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You didn't ask me, but if it was up to me Dunk would be the nr 1 CB target this summer. He will not set the world on fire but is actually a very good player. We could do with an experienced player rather than buying potential that might go in either direction. 

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[killer1257 3,282]

absolutely
for a fair price
he is solid, great in the air, big, not super pacy but is really good postionally, can lead a defence and LOVES Chelsea since he was a wee lad
I have seen him have some absolute MONSTER games over the past few years
 

What would be a fair price for him?

Thank you

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[killer1257 3,282]

You didn't ask me, but if it was up to me Dunk would be the nr 1 CB target this summer. He will not set the world on fire but is actually a very good player. We could do with an experienced player rather than buying potential that might go in either direction. 

I also like the fact that we should go for a little bit more of an experienced guy right now.


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4 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

What would be a fair price for him?

Thank you

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£25-30m

he is 28yo

he turns 29 on November 21

so has around 3 top years left, maybe 4 MAX

wish to hell we had got him 2 years ago

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how is he with the ball

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18 minutes ago, whats happening said:

how is he with the ball

pretty comfortable

deffo a massive upgrade over Zouma 

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27 minutes ago, whats happening said:

how is he with the ball

 

[Pizy 18,944]

I think swapping out Jorginho in our midfield with Rice while keeping the same CB pairing we have now is a huge upgrade in terms of our defending. That extra security in front of them would make a massive difference. We would no longer be totally exposed in the middle of the park whenever the ball is turned over because Rice can actually move about.

I really think his skill set would be partially wasted as a CB. Partner him in the middle of the pitch with Kante/Kova/Billy as the deepest midfielder and I think our team improves drastically. 

Pulisic-------------------------Werner------------------------Ziyech

--------------------------------Havertz-------------------------------

-------------------Kova/Kante----------Rice--------------------

New LB------------Zouma-------------Rüdiger-------------James

-------------------------------Onana------------------------------

For me this XI has it all. Loads of goals, excellent creativity, plenty of steel in the middle of the pitch, and extremely athletic back 4. We can challenge for the league with that team.

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MOUNT AND DEC 

Chelsea star Mount’s mum cried when her son’s best friend Declan Rice was dumped by Blues

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4575717/chelsea-star-mounts-mum-cried-when-her-sons-best-friend-declan-rice-was-dumped-by-blues/