Jump to content
Join Talk Chelsea and join in with the discussions! Click Here

Mikel John Obi


Fulham Broadway
 Share
Followers 3

Recommended Posts

Excellent in the Champions League this season. Mobile and an able tackler. He would be a revelation in a 4-3-3 but City are destined to snag him

While I agree, he is not a destroyer. It's like saying Ramires is one.

If we're playing 4-2-3-1, this would be fantastic:

Fernandinho --- Lars Bender

Oscar -------Mata --------Hazard

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 6.5k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

x lol

I'm not crying 

What does he do? attacking wise he offers next to nothing, defensively he's lazy, hardly ever tracks his man, rarely wins back the ball... when he does it takes him 30 seconds to actually release the

Posted Images

While I agree, he is not a destroyer. It's like saying Ramires is one.

If we're playing 4-2-3-1, this would be fantastic:

Fernandinho --- Lars Bender

Oscar -------Mata --------Hazard

I rate Fernandinho's ability to go into a 50-50 and come out with the ball. It's too bad that he's peaked late or been noticed late. 27 is not too late but I can see the club going in a different direction

Link to post
Share on other sites

Made more fucking effort trying to get his mits on that trophy then he did picking up his marking assignment in the away leg against Rubin Kazan. :wank2:

Didn't look like he struggled to get up for this Europa League match.

It's funny, he is the one trying to get his unworthy hands on the trophy after the fact that he pretty much dismissed the Europa League with both his degrading comments about the competition and his awful performances against one of these lowly "Thursday night" sides.

At least Bosingwa played brilliantly against Barca and Bayern before acting the twat in the trophy presentation.

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites

MIkel is shite. He's a passenger in our midfield.

The Luiz- Lampard partnership is better than Lampard - Mikel in midfield...cause when you think about it, Luiz actually tries to make things happen as a CB playing in midfield.

Mikel just jogs around the pitch in a lazy fashion..makes a few passes to the goalie or CB...and that's about it.

No.

What Luiz does is create a massive gap with his ventures running into midfield. Why do you think he was put in that role in the first place? When he did at CB, the repercussions were disastrous. Now it's less noticeable because against weaker teams, our defense can cope.

Lampard's only in that position because we've had to accommodate for him. He shouldn't be sitting in front of our defensive line because he doesn't offer them the same amount of protection as an actual defensive midfield payer, like Mikel. The role of the central midfield is supposed to be one you don't notice, he's not the one that's going to grab the assists or goals. He'll go about his role unnoticeable. This is the mistake people make with that role.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

Oh joy. This thread was quiet for 2 days and suddenly, we are back to having the same and repetitive argument about Mikel again. :doh:

  • Like 4
Link to post
Share on other sites

Great, we're back to this again.

There's numerous posts in this entire thread with people giving very good examples of Mikel's role. Especially when compared with Romeu, but they're just ignored and buried under the repetition of trolling/spamming/insults etc.

Personally? I think everyone will change their mind if Mourinho inserts him back into the squad.

There's really no point in arguing, you spend an hour on a 1000 word post to try to explain Mikel's role and what a DM should be like by giving examples and stats and all you get back is the usual "Mikel is shit" or personal insults aimed at you..

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

There's really no point in arguing, you spend an hour on a 1000 word post to try to explain Mikel's role and what a DM should be like by giving examples and stats and all you get back is the usual "Mikel is shit" or personal insults aimed at you..

Indeed, I took the bait -_-

Hopeless.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Great job acting like everyone who criticises Mikel just responds in this manner. Obviously there are the idiot trolls who just come in here and say "Mikel is shit", but I've also seen plenty of reasonable arguments criticising his dire commitment and catastrophic defending (the one with all the gifs from Man City, for example), so to tar all of his critics under the same brush just because they don't agree with you is just plain wrong.

I'm sorry, but the reasonable arguments are buried underneath mountains of BS and insults.

While when people point out Mikel's shortcomings, apologists revert back with the usual comment "You don't understand football if you can't appreciate what Mikel does for the team".

When I see stats like

Our win ratio jumps from 44% to 67% when Mikel is not in the playing XI

Our loss ratio falls to 14% from 34% when Mikel is not in the playing XI

Our goals conceded per game decrease to 0.89 from 1.53 when Mikel is not in the playing XI

Our goals scored per game increase to 2.53 from 1.69 when Mikel is not in the playing XI

I ask myself once again

What is this defensive protection and solidity that Mikel provides which actually ends up hurting our results?

Nope, I won't bite, I have studying to do and I won't get into a pointless argument now. You want to know my opinion on Mikel is? I've stated it here countless times and explained it in great detail. You want to know what Mikel provides to the team? Here, read this: http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/13977-john-mikel-obi-the-keystone/

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm sorry, but the reasonable arguments are buried underneath mountains of BS and insults.

Nope, I won't bite, I have studying to do and I won't get into a pointless argument now. You want to know my opinion on Mikel is? I've stated it here countless times and explained it in great detail. You want to know what Mikel provides to the team? Here, read this: http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/13977-john-mikel-obi-the-keystone/

I've read that useless post where all the wrong stats are handpicked to prove the point that Mikel is a fantastic player.

Yet, he rarely plays... So, I guess the stats that the Chelsea staff keep show otherwise, or at least they seem to look at them in a very different way.

Lets just agree to completely disagree on this one as well.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm sorry, but the reasonable arguments are buried underneath mountains of BS and insults.

Nope, I won't bite, I have studying to do and I won't get into a pointless argument now. You want to know my opinion on Mikel is? I've stated it here countless times and explained it in great detail. You want to know what Mikel provides to the team? Here, read this: http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/13977-john-mikel-obi-the-keystone/

That is a very poor article. Full of flaws and misunderstandings of stats.

But even if one were to take that at face value and assume that Mikel is suited to the CM/CDM role, I will ask the same question again

"WHAT IS THIS DEFENSIVE PROTECTION AND SOLIDITY THAT MIKEL PROVIDES WHICH ACTUALLY ENDS UP HURTING OUR RESULTS?

Link to post
Share on other sites

No.

What Luiz does is create a massive gap with his ventures running into midfield. Why do you think he was put in that role in the first place? When he did at CB, the repercussions were disastrous. Now it's less noticeable because against weaker teams, our defense can cope.

Lampard's only in that position because we've had to accommodate for him. He shouldn't be sitting in front of our defensive line because he doesn't offer them the same amount of protection as an actual defensive midfield payer, like Mikel. The role of the central midfield is supposed to be one you don't notice, he's not the one that's going to grab the assists or goals. He'll go about his role unnoticeable. This is the mistake people make with that role.

You're just making stuff up as you go along, Mikel does this, Mikel does that, when realistically he does nothing. Luiz and Ramires are much better defensive midfielders, Mikel is just crap.

Look at Michael Carrick, picks out passes from anywhere, runs about all over and covers, Xavi Alonso the same, and yet we get this John Obi Mikel who doesn't run, can't pass the ball forward, can't tackle, yet he has this job which is so apparently vital of sitting infront of the back 4.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

Great job acting like everyone who criticises Mikel just responds in this manner. Obviously there are the idiot trolls who just come in here and say "Mikel is shit", but I've also seen plenty of reasonable arguments criticising his dire commitment and catastrophic defending (the one with all the gifs from Man City, for example), so to tar all of his critics under the same brush just because they don't agree with you is just plain wrong.

Choulo is just playin the victim because he lost the arguement months ago.

Let me tell you something, when he's saying things like trolls it's obviously aimed at me, as I have been arguing with him all season. However I have never onced thrown a personal insult in there, so he can say whatever he wants. He has hardly given anything back to the arguement, he has said things before matches and Mikel has done his arguements no favours with his horrible performances.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Seb isn't God. He's not the next Mourinho combined with SaF, with all respect to him. His view on Mikel is his opinion and shouldn't be passed around like it's fact.

I remember him saying Torres was a key player, Ramires was one of our best passers and that Cahill would be a disastrous signing.

Haha spot on Leif. I'm sure if this forum had it's way SeB would be odd's on favourite to become next Chelsea manager at Ladbrookes.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Seb isn't God. He's not the next Mourinho combined with SaF, with all respect to him. His view on Mikel is his opinion and shouldn't be passed around like it's fact.

I remember him saying Torres was a key player, Ramires was one of our best passers and that Cahill would be a disastrous signing.

Seb has gotten a shit load wrong in the past, most people only like his posts because they think he's some top scout.

He also tried to convince everyone that Edin Dzeko was better than Falcao.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Seb has gotten a shit load wrong in the past, most people only like his posts because they think he's some top scout.

He also tried to convince everyone that Edin Dzeko was better than Falcao.

He said Dzeko is better than Falcao?

I read that article about Mikel which Choulo posted and thought to myself that someone has really written a deluded piece, but sweet lord this Dzeko better than Falcao takes the cake.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Please sign in to comment

You will be able to leave a comment after signing in



Sign In Now
 Share
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...