🇳🇬 Mikel John Obi

[Spike 12,049]

Nationality has got fuck all to do with it.

Then why did you mention Russia and the Congo? Why not just say 'pubs that I don't go to' or something similar? You're the one that brought it up.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Aye Mikels passing range is shit, watch 23 seconds in to 33 seconds. Fuck all the song bits, guy claims to have made a Mikel vs Song video even though Song is in it for about 8 hours. The bastard.

Also hes not capable of being creative? GET THE FUCK OUT

Watch that too...

[Rmpr 8,977]

I think Mikel is a good player, but not world class...

[The only place to be 11,313]

Aye Mikels passing range is shit, watch 23 seconds in to 33 seconds. Fuck all the song bits, guy claims to have made a Mikel vs Song video even though Song is in it for about 8 hours. The bastard.

Also hes not creative enough?

Watch that too...

Mikel has played about 300 games in his career. Now lets say he's played 45 minutes in each game.

That's 13,500 minutes of game time.

But this video that is less than 3 minutes long is going to convince me that he's a far better player than I've seen in his 6 years at the club? :lol2:

Next you'll be telling me what percentage of his balls travel forwards.

I think Mikel is a good player, but not world class...

An absolutely fair assessment in my opinion.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Mikel has played about 300 games in his career. Now lets say he's played 45 minutes in each game.

That's 13,500 minutes of game time.

But this video that is less than 3 minutes long is going to convince me that he's a far better player than I've seen in his 6 years at the club? :lol2:

Next you'll be telling me what percentage of his balls travel forwards.

An absolutely fair assessment in my opinion.

It gets rid of the 'myth' that Mikel isn't able to pass a ball more than 10 yards doesn' it? Or the 'myth' he isn't able to be creative. I've seen people on here complain because he never plays long verticle passes or never has in however many years or how hes never had assists etc. I was arguing with an Irish guy who tried to tell me that Mikel always played backwards and sideways passes in another thread and that stats would prove that.......which they didn't....... this season and even sometimes last season under AVB he started playing more verticle passes, even in 2009-10 he was playing more verticle passes but still people said 'hes shit, not creative enough, always playing it backwards/sideways.' I mean you can measure him up against Makelele but you'd just be stupid. Makelele was probably the finest in that role. I mean it would be hard for anyone to live up to that.

[Milan 17,957]

Here's something most probably negative.

Mikel on the pitch has meant 36 goals scored BUT 34 goals conceded which is a lot.

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[Sheva. 5,373]

He's playing very well for Nigeria. 3 awesome long balls, and one just led to the opening goal.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Mikel has given about 4 overhead balls, one was a one on one chance

Where does all that dissapear to in chelsea

[Amblève. 4,995]

Mikel has given about 4 overhead balls, one was a one on one chance

Where does all that dissapear to in chelsea

He's restricted to his role. That's all. He's just an intelligent player that knows what he is asked to do.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

He's restricted to his role. That's all. He's just an intelligent player that knows what he is asked to do.

If we are playing and his pass can put the striker on a one on one situation, why doesn't he do it? Its not like a pass to the striker or wingers will kill him.

He has so much talent that he wastes and its frustrating.

In an under 21 or under 19 international tournament, he came second behind messi as best player. He could dribble and pass. He comes to chelsea and can't pass again, I think he should have a better long range pass than luiz. But because of his low baby confidence he never attempts a pass to a striker at chelsea, when he is obviously good at it. Even luiz looks a better long range passer than mikel, because he never attempts it.

It is really frustrating

[bushman 2,043]

He just kicked one into the bleachers.

[Kojo 4,676]

It's like when you compare a substitute goalkeeper's figures with the regular starter. Might have been a wise idea to take into consideration the position of the opponent or something like that... I mean the reserve goalkeeper will have better save rates etc, the starter who plays the big games will obviously have different rates

But otherwise that's interesting stuff, I must admit I never heard about that

I bet it's funny when you see people post those stats you 'left out' right?

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I'm always amazed by the confidence/character bullshit regarding Mikel. He's constantly shouting at the referee when he's pulled out by three players and some still pretend he's a victim on the field and suffers the game

Here's Mikel explaining his views to the ref after having been fouled 5 times by the same player

He is a good technical player, strong and can pass. He has an ability he has which he is scared to use, which is to give overhead passes. Which makes me blame his confidence for that.

[xPetrCechx 13,571]

We need better DM.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I don't think that's a matter of confidence but rather state of mind, there's players who never gives the ball away and some others who attempts the most stuff as they can based on the lottery scheme (the more you buy tickets the more you're likely to win it).

Mikel didn't had to ask himself that question in 4-3-3. He hasn't found the right balance yet in 4-2-3-1. But that's not a matter of confidence.

You see when a player isn't confident with flaws in the execution, appearing tense... That's clearly not Mikel's case, his execution is perfect technically, almost robotic to play his passes

I guess so. He was a better player when young, more like a yaya toure. So it was shocking to see him play differently when he started playing constantly for chelsea. It just seems he doesn't show his full talent. Sometimes you just show what your capable off once in a while you know.

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

That's the modern conception of the game, may sound weird considering I'm 19 but in my opinion players must serve the system and not the opposite.

I would disagree right there. System isn't as important as you sometimes try to point out. System is there only to get the best out of players, or if you do not have players for a certain system then you do not use it. e.g. last year's CL triumph was based on that.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

I would disagree right there. System isn't as important as you sometimes try to point out. System is there only to get the best out of players, or if you do not have players for a certain system then you do not use it. e.g. last year's CL triumph was based on that.

The system is more important than the players. Whats the point in having 11 players on the field if you don't have a good system for them to play under....

[Heisenberg 1,824]

I don't think that's a matter of confidence but rather state of mind, there's players who never gives the ball away and some others who attempts the most stuff as they can based on the lottery scheme (the more you buy tickets the more you're likely to win it).

Mikel didn't had to ask himself that question in 4-3-3. He hasn't found the right balance yet in 4-2-3-1. But that's not a matter of confidence.

You see when a player isn't confident with flaws in the execution, appearing tense... That's clearly not Mikel's case, his execution is perfect technically, almost robotic to play his passes

Son problème majeurs reste le fait qu'a Chelsea, je ne le vois pas se tuer pour chaque ballon, un manque d'agressivité criant de sa part que je n'aime pas, Mourinho pourrait regler ce problème, il l'a fait avec Sami Khedira qui est fantastique cette saison.

For me, his main problem is that he must be more "aggressive" on the pitch, he is no Essien at his best or Makelele or Tioté right now.For me he needs to be more involved on the pitch and show some passion in all his matches, not only the important ones.Mourinho had this problem with Sami Khedira at Madrid, he is now one of the best at his position.

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

The system is more important than the players. Whats the point in having 11 players on the field if you don't have a good system for them to play under....

Whats the point of having a system when you don't have players for it ?

So there are two ways of looking at it. Everything is about the players, because they play and not the system, nor the coach. Nowadays you can so often see a striker in defence, or a centre half in a strikers position, even scoring. In the past that wasn't possible. This means football is evolving and pure theory is becoming less and less important.

Of course you have to have responsible players on the pitch, because without them success is impossible.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Whats the point of having a system when you don't have players for it ?

So there are two ways of looking at it. Everything is about the players, because they play and not the system, nor the coach. Nowadays you can so often see a striker in defence, or a centre half in a strikers position, even scoring. In the past that wasn't possible. This means football is evolving and pure theory is becoming less and less important.

Of course you have to have responsible players on the pitch, because without them success is impossible.

Not exactly the place to discuss this, but football is evolving because theory is evolving.