Timo Werner

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32 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

He is playing like 19 years old Timo 🤭

The pressure of playing for a big club and being the main man to rely is proving too much for him. 

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5 minutes ago, DDA said:

The pressure of playing for a big club and being the main man to rely is proving too much for him. 

It must be that since he puts stats like when he was a teenager. But I also think there is a good chance that he overcomes this and become prolific goalscorer like last season. Give him time. Looks like it is all confidence. 

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7 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

It must be that since he puts stats like when he was a teenager. But I also think there is a good chance that he overcomes this and become prolific goalscorer like last season. Give him time. Looks like it is all confidence. 

I hope so. There's a player in him for sure..  I do believe we are more of a threat with him in the side from utilising his energy and speed alone. If he had that deadly finishing streak in him of his time imat Leipzig... we would be laughing.

[BlueGuy 10]

who looks only to stats forgots too many things, I'm worried  about his tecnique more than his statistics .
He could improve his confidence but how about tecnique?

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9 minutes ago, BlueGuy said:

who looks only to stats forgots too many things, I'm worried  about his tecnique more than his statistics .
He could improve his confidence but how about tecnique?

Yes, that's my real worry too. He just looks a tecnically poor player for this level. 

When top strikers are in a slump of form it usually only takes a good game and a goal to get them going again. So far, when Timo has a good game and scores a goal, he goes back to being shite again in the following games, and I have to wonder why.

[OneMoSalah 8,810]

Yeah not buying the Stuttgart comparison thing. He was 19 there, playing for a team that flirted with relegation and mid table, he is now 25 playing at a huge club whilst also being a German international footballer. He should be much more clinical and used to greater pressure and expectations. He has to have a good season next year. End of story.

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On 30/04/2021 at 13:54, DDA said:

I hope so. There's a player in him for sure..  I do believe we are more of a threat with him in the side from utilising his energy and speed alone. If he had that deadly finishing streak in him of his time imat Leipzig... we would be laughing.

At this point, I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the polarizing views that Werner gets. I mean, fair enough that he gets criticized for the misses. However on one hand, you have people who focus only on the misses and abuse him for it but on the other hand, you have people who look beyond the numbers, who can see the other things that he offers to the team. It's all very amusing.

11 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Yeah not buying the Stuttgart comparison thing. He was 19 there, playing for a team that flirted with relegation and mid table, he is now 25 playing at a huge club whilst also being a German international footballer. He should be much more clinical and used to greater pressure and expectations. He has to have a good season next year. End of story.

Fair enough to say that he needs to be more clinical and do better next season but think the point is the initial period of adaptation. Playing for Chelsea is a completely different thing to playing for Stuttgart or even RB Leipzig. 

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hace 10 minutos, Jas dijo:

At this point, I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the polarizing views that Werner gets. I mean, fair enough that he gets criticized for the misses. However on one hand, you have people who focus only on the misses and abuse him for it but on the other hand, you have people who look beyond the numbers, who can see the other things that he offers to the team. It's all very amusing.

Fair enough to say that he needs to be more clinical and do better next season but think the point is the initial period of adaptation. Playing for Chelsea is a completely different thing to playing for Stuttgart or even RB Leipzig. 

True but theres an initial adaption period and then theres having a bad half/ two thirds of a season. I mean at the beginning of the season when he was sort of scoring/assisting with more regularity was he fully adapted then? 

The majority of players seem to adapt much quicker to leagues than they used to back in the day also and between Germany and the PL the leagues are more similar than further away from each other in terms of intensity and physicality than other leagues such as La Liga and Serie A. Still differences but I think someone who is 25 and plays for Germany should be able to deal with playing under big pressures and expectations considering they’re usually always in the favourites for most tournaments or most games they play. 

Who was the last player we signed that took this long to adapt to the PL? I cant think of many in recent years. Pulisic maybe? But even then when he got in and going you could argue maybe he was held back, particularly after the super cup game as well. There were some who maybe didn’t get a lot of minutes ie. Schurrle, Salah, KdB, Filipe Luis for instance but theres that, then not adapting. 

Edited May 1, 2021 by OneMoSalah

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3 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

True but theres an initial adaption period and then theres having a bad season.

The majority of players seem to adapt much quicker to leagues than they used to back in the day also and between Germany and the PL the leagues are more similar than further away from each other in terms of intensity and physicality than other leagues such as La Liga and Serie A. Still differences but I think someone who is 25 and plays for Germany should be able to deal with playing under big pressures and expectations considering they’re usually always in the favourites for most tournaments or most games they play. 

Who was the last player we signed that took this long to adapt to the PL? I cant think of many in recent years. Pulisic maybe? But even then when he got in and going you could argue maybe he was held back, particularly after the super cup game as well. There were some who maybe didn’t get a lot of minutes ie. Schurrle, Salah, KdB, Filipe Luis for instance but theres that, then not adapting. 

Here's the one big difference though, how many players in the past joined a new club and then had to adapt to a new club, league, country while in the middle of a pandemic and a relentless schedule? 

Not every player is the same and not everyone adapts quickly. Off the top of my head, you have someone like Cancelo looking average in his first season with Man City and now looking like a completely different and better player in his second season. Moreover, Werner isn't the only new signing in the team who have not performed consistently this season. Havertz and Ziyech are other examples. The only mitigating circumstance they have had is injury and COVID, in Havertz's case.

The pressure playing for Chelsea is still different from RB Leipzig and Germany. For Leipzig, yeah, they are expected to win most games etc but no one really expects them to challenge for the major trophies and win them. It's like with Leicester here. They are the favorites in most games but if they don't win them, don't win trophies, no one is gonna pile on them compared to us. One loss here, one failure there, we would be hearing for days, weeks etc. Agree with the Germany bit but playing for Germany only happen once every few months. Still different than when you have the world watching you every week etc.

[NikkiCFC 8,070]

Double digits in open play assists. This is something. He does things right except finishing. He missed around 25 big chances this season. I feel if he scored 50% of those we would have completely different narrative.

He would be on 23 goals, 10 assists, some pens won... And that would be something we expected before the season. So high hopes for him next season.

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2 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I feel if he scored 50% of those we would have completely different narrative.

NO SHIT SHERLOCK!

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Pass to Kai today was brilliant and should have had another assist when Ziyech shat the bed . 
He is not without his qualities but with his confidence also his runs get worse. He was not even looking for the chances today that is what worries me

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4 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

He was not even looking for the chances today that is what worries me

EH? He had 3 shots today. He still made the runs into the penalty area and there were a few times as well that the final pass did not come off to him.

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hace 6 horas, Jas dijo:

Here's the one big difference though, how many players in the past joined a new club and then had to adapt to a new club, league, country while in the middle of a pandemic and a relentless schedule? 

Not every player is the same and not everyone adapts quickly. Off the top of my head, you have someone like Cancelo looking average in his first season with Man City and now looking like a completely different and better player in his second season. Moreover, Werner isn't the only new signing in the team who have not performed consistently this season. Havertz and Ziyech are other examples. The only mitigating circumstance they have had is injury and COVID, in Havertz's case.

The pressure playing for Chelsea is still different from RB Leipzig and Germany. For Leipzig, yeah, they are expected to win most games etc but no one really expects them to challenge for the major trophies and win them. It's like with Leicester here. They are the favorites in most games but if they don't win them, don't win trophies, no one is gonna pile on them compared to us. One loss here, one failure there, we would be hearing for days, weeks etc. Agree with the Germany bit but playing for Germany only happen once every few months. Still different than when you have the world watching you every week etc.

True regarding COVID etc but still think we should be expecting more! 

Re Cancelo tbf this is true, but he also played predominantly at LB and his best position is on the right. He is a superior FB though and I cannot believe it took a year for Pep to see that he is better than Walker. Like I am baffled. At Juventus and even Inter he was potentially a top top player.

And aye all the new signings bar Mendy, Chilwell (has had ups and downs though, today he was caught napping a few times) and Silva have struggled. Ziyech and Werner have been disappointing for us. Havertz I can see a bit more improvement from early on but still think he had the issue of being played out of position. I think Tuchel has found his best role, hes either a false 9 or similar to Thomas Mueller of old. Sort of floats around finding space. If you fix him down as a 8 or a winger like Lampard did he struggles. Where as Timo unfortunately he seems to be one step fwd then one or two backwards at times. He did impress me today in elements of his game but now v Madrid he has to retain that level of performance.

Edited May 1, 2021 by OneMoSalah

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1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

True regarding COVID etc but still think we should be expecting more! 

Re Cancelo tbf this is true, but he also played predominantly at LB and his best position is on the right. He is a superior FB though and I cannot believe it took a year for Pep to see that he is better than Walker. Like I am baffled. At Juventus and even Inter he was potentially a top top player.

And aye all the new signings bar Mendy and Silva have struggled. Ziyech and Werner have been disappointing for us. Havertz I can see a bit more improvement from early on but still think he had the issue of being played out of position. I think Tuchel has found his best role, hes either a false 9 or similar to Thomas Mueller of old. Sort of floats around finding space. If you fix him down as a 8 or a winger like Lampard did he struggles. Where as Timo unfortunately he seems to be one step fwd then one or two backwards at times. He did impress me today in elements of his game but now v Madrid he has to retain that level of performance.

Said this before, some leeway should be given to the new signings this season really. This season has not been a normal season.

And you think Werner will start on Wednesday? You would start him? 

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hace 2 minutos, Jas dijo:

Said this before, some leeway should be given to the new signings this season really. This season has not been a normal season.

And you think Werner will start on Wednesday? You would start him? 

If he plays like 2nd half today, yes, I would consider starting him. Because not only was his play good at times, he actually looked more confident. Ok first half he didn’t impress and had a few scraps that maybe if he was on his toes he may have gotten contact on etc but nobody did play well either bar Mendy, Kai, the CBs and Mount (going forward anyway, left Billy with a lot of ground to cover as if he thought he was playing with Kante...).

I get Timo did the same v WHam then was pretty shit/frustrating in the first leg in Spain but I suppose it depends on what Tuchel’s thinking. I mean are we going to go for the jugular? Or try be a bit more cautious and play on the break? Personally felt the front three we seen against Madrid last leg worked, and he was part of it. Madrid wont play as bad as last time either so I couldn’t really say 100% start him or 100% don’t start him. If we want to sit off them at home (very dangerous as they know if they get a goal its difficult for us), he will play with same front 3 I think that he did in Spain to play on transitions. If he wants to go for it I’d expect Kai to be in though because today he was outstanding for a lot of the game. 

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2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

If he plays like 2nd half today, yes, I would consider starting him. Because not only was his play good at times, he actually looked more confident. Ok first half he didn’t impress and had a few scraps that maybe if he was on his toes he may have gotten contact on etc but nobody did play well either bar Mendy, Kai, the CBs and Mount (going forward anyway, left Billy with a lot of ground to cover as if he thought he was playing with Kante...).

I get Timo did the same v WHam then was pretty shit/frustrating in the first leg in Spain but I suppose it depends on what Tuchel’s thinking. I mean are we going to go for the jugular? Or try be a bit more cautious and play on the break? Personally felt the front three we seen against Madrid last leg worked, and he was part of it. Madrid wont play as bad as last time either so I couldn’t really say 100% start him or 100% don’t start him. If we want to sit off them at home (very dangerous as they know if they get a goal its difficult for us), he will play with same front 3 I think that he did in Spain to play on transitions. If he wants to go for it I’d expect Kai to be in though because today he was outstanding for a lot of the game. 

Am not so sure...

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hace 5 minutos, Jas dijo:

Am not so sure...

I think Havertz is hard to leave out either way. But if we want to be more cautious then Timo and Pulisic maybe play for their speed.