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Werner has never been the most clinical of players. Last season in the Bundesliga he recorded 20 big chances missed, only second to Lewandowski at 24. That said, it comes with the territory. He's

A bit of class by RB Leipzig by posting the 'one step beyond' and now saying "Look after him for us, we will be rooting for Frank's young guns next season" Classy as fuck

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1 hour ago, Jas said:

After 86254835468765753453 minutes, he's finally our (joint) top scorer...

Should have had 1 more goal and 2 assists tonight!

I disagree with that. Had a different player been on the pitch, perhaps those opportunities he missed wouldn't have been there to begin with.

The cool thing about Werner, and what some folks are missing about his game, is that he's a creator. no, he does not have the vision of a KDB to find that through ball, nor the finishing so many here crave for, but his pace and movement make him a nightmare to deal with. His presence alone will force City to employ a low(er) block again - just like they did against PSG because of Neymar and Mbappe.

Yes, City is still an excellent side even when operating with less of the football and on a lower block, but they are far less formidable.

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6 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

I disagree with that. Had a different player been on the pitch, perhaps those opportunities he missed wouldn't have been there to begin with.

The cool thing about Werner, and what some folks are missing about his game, is that he's a creator. no, he does not have the vision of a KDB to find that through ball, nor the finishing so many here crave for, but his pace and movement make him a nightmare to deal with. His presence alone will force City to employ a low(er) block again - just like they did against PSG because of Neymar and Mbappe.

Yes, City is still an excellent side even when operating with less of the football and on a lower block, but they are far less formidable.

I think the most important aspect is that without having a lot of vision or creativity he can do a simple thing very good. run with the ball into space faster than anyone else on the pitch. This opens a lot of tactical options for the coach. Off the ball he can get behind the defense any time which makes defenders nervous and stretches their defences. This directness and off the ball movement is why he starts over superior talents like Pulisic.

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46 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

I disagree with that. Had a different player been on the pitch, perhaps those opportunities he missed wouldn't have been there to begin with.

You mean tonight or overall? 

In any case, I agree with the notion. It's just of course, having gotten himself into positions to score goals, the misses have been frustrating to watch. He could easily have scored 25 goals by now!

46 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

The cool thing about Werner, and what some folks are missing about his game, is that he's a creator. no, he does not have the vision of a KDB to find that through ball, nor the finishing so many here crave for, but his pace and movement make him a nightmare to deal with. His presence alone will force City to employ a low(er) block again - just like they did against PSG because of Neymar and Mbappe.

Yes, City is still an excellent side even when operating with less of the football and on a lower block, but they are far less formidable.

The problem is, you have people only focusing on the numbers. Sure we and he want to score more goals but it should be obvious by now that he also brings more to the team than just goals. He would be great for us if he can just sort out the finishing problem. 

Also, notice how quiet this thread gets when he does well but when he misses a chance, it's all hell breaks loose. lol Although, he's not the first to have this sort of reaction here and won't be the last.

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6 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

I think the most important aspect is that without having a lot of vision or creativity he can do a simple thing very good. run with the ball into space faster than anyone else on the pitch. This opens a lot of tactical options for the coach. Off the ball he can get behind the defense any time which makes defenders nervous and stretches their defences. This directness and off the ball movement is why he starts over superior talents like Pulisic.

So, he's like the more efficient version of Willian? lol

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27 minutes ago, Jas said:

So, he's like the more efficient version of Willian? lol

good one, but are you suggesting Willian was ever! pacy? 😁

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26 minutes ago, Jas said:

So, he's like the more efficient version of Willian? lol

They are quite different aren’t they. William liked the ball at his feet and his strength was carrying it through midfield with mazy runs. Werner uses his straight line speed to carry it from midfield to attack and play the final ball. 
willian is a tragic case tho. He has the speed and technical  talent of prime hazard but not the intelligence. Werner might have the intelligence and speed but his feet are a bit too clumsy and his head is not always in the right place. Luckily it was today. 

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1 minute ago, Magic Lamps said:

They are quite different aren’t they. William liked the ball at his feet and his strength was carrying it through midfield with mazy runs. Werner uses his straight line speed to carry it from midfield to attack and play the final ball. 
willian is a tragic case tho. He has the speed and technical  talent of prime hazard but not the intelligence. Werner might have the intelligence and speed but his feet are a bit too clumsy and his head is not always in the right place. Luckily it was today. 

I mean, they aren’t exactly the same type of players but Willian has all that ability on the ball but doesn’t score enough or create enough chances from open play to get assists while Werner has his flaws with the ball but is somehow racking up decent numbers, with the assists at least.

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9 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

This directness and off the ball movement is why he starts over superior talents like Pulisic.

Just going back to this, not sure why are people making it Pulisic v Werner when they don't really play the same position of late. Tuchel has been using Werner more as a ST recently and it was only last week that Pulisic was starting games regularly and some of them with Werner in the starting XI too. 

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14 minutes ago, Jas said:

Just going back to this, not sure why are people making it Pulisic v Werner when they don't really play the same position of late. Tuchel has been using Werner more as a ST recently and it was only last week that Pulisic was starting games regularly and some of them with Werner in the starting XI too. 

I tought we either play Havertz as false 9 and Werner on the left attacking position just behind which is also Pulisic's best position or we play basically 3-5-2 with Mount dropping back into midfield, then we have 2 strikers and again Puli would also play in this position. it is not that we change formations when Pulisic comes on, so yeah he does compete with either werner or mount when we play with Havertz as false 9.

 

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9 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

They are quite different aren’t they. William liked the ball at his feet and his strength was carrying it through midfield with mazy runs. Werner uses his straight line speed to carry it from midfield to attack and play the final ball. 
willian is a tragic case tho. He has the speed and technical  talent of prime hazard but not the intelligence. Werner might have the intelligence and speed but his feet are a bit too clumsy and his head is not always in the right place. Luckily it was today. 

How do you define intelligence regarding Werner? Werner makes a lot of bad passes just like Willian used to do. Maybe you mean intelligent runs. 

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How do you define intelligence regarding Werner? Werner makes a lot of bad passes just like Willian used to do. Maybe you mean intelligent runs. 

But to make the right runs, you need some footballing intelligence don't you? Willian on the other hand had usually terrible off the ball movement.

I think Werner is about ok with the passes he attempts. But they are not always perfectly exectued like the one vs Fulham or the backheel to Mount yesterday. That is because his technique is lacking so he telegraphs some of his passes.

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1 minute ago, Magic Lamps said:

But to make the right runs, you need some footballing intelligence don't you? Willian on the other hand had usually terrible off the ball movement.

I think Werner is about ok with the passes he attempts. But they are not always perfectly exectued like the one vs Fulham or the backheel to Mount yesterday. That is because his technique is lacking so he telegraphs some of his passes.

Yes, you need some football IQ, but I think it is his acceleration that makes him troublesome for defenders to deal with. When Werner starts sprinting, it is hard for defenders to deal with him. That is why defenders like to be close to him because they can either get the ball before him or speculate that he makes a bad first touch. If it is a through ball, it will be tough for them either way. 

Werner is one of the greatest ever Bundesliga players, if you just judge him by the stats. If werner was slower, I don't think he would be here at Chelsea. You can make good runs, but if you are as slow as Giroud, there is no point. 

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12 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

I tought we either play Havertz as false 9 and Werner on the left attacking position just behind which is also Pulisic's best position or we play basically 3-5-2 with Mount dropping back into midfield, then we have 2 strikers and again Puli would also play in this position. it is not that we change formations when Pulisic comes on, so yeah he does compete with either werner or mount when we play with Havertz as false 9.

You could argue that it's Pulisic or Havertz as well. At West Ham recently, the front 3 was Pulisic, Werner and Mount and then at Madrid, it was a front 2 of Pulisic and Werner. And the debate going into yesterday's second leg was either Havertz or Werner rather than Werner or Pulisic. 

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This man has become very important to us already if you ask me, his constant runs make the defenders shit themselves, always have to be aware. He will be a weapon next season.

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Yes, his pace and movement is now consistently getting him into good, dangerous positions.

Ian Wright unfairly said he was lazy for repeatedly being caught offside. I think its more a case of a lack of concentration because we know Timo is anything but lazy. These offsides must be driving TT nuts and i'm sure this is an area they'll work hard on next pre season. 

Timo will never have the first touch of the worlds elite strikers, but he has enough qualities needed to provide us with a good amount of goals and assists.

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