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40 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

I agree but i wasn't commenting on the accuracy of their claim. Indeed i was rather implying that the evidence so far suggests that they were not right. I was simple comparing their attitude to the Pepe deal last summer, with our attitude about todays announcement.

It is fine you want to be cautious and wait and see. That is fair but I do not think anyone has gone overboard with the reaction till the point expectations need to be tampered. People are just happy, especially when you consider (a) we have not even qualified for Champions League yet, (b) we are living in a shitty world right now with the pandemic supposedly affecting club's finances but we are not, (c) we have spent years buying some real duds and (d) Werner - and even Ziyech - have proven themselves and improved themselves year in year out. The stats back that up. Obviously they will need to prove their quality with us, in the Premier League and all that but again, I do not think anyone has gone overboard with their reaction. Also...LET PEOPLE BE HAPPY A BIT IN THIS SHITTY TIMES! :rant:

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Werner has never been the most clinical of players. Last season in the Bundesliga he recorded 20 big chances missed, only second to Lewandowski at 24. That said, it comes with the territory. He's

Really taking the piss now 

he has a real mentality off the field but also different level on it. Hard doesn't faze him, but he's a killer, he is going to get tons of goals this season.

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10 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

I think this is a nonsense excuse. If they wanted him, they'd have made it happen.

It is not. Liverpool have American owners and they operate like this. If they did not sell Torres then would never get Suarez. If they did not sell Coutinho they would never get VVD and even Alisson. You underestimate Covid influence. We are in different situation unlike all the others. 

Liverpool wanted Werner for discount. 

Utd, City also had interest. Bayern before. Real spent 60m on Jovic last summer. Zidane still rates Benzema a lot it does not make sense to go for another striker. Same for Barcelona. 

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2 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

No, of course I don't have evidence. I also had no evidence that Arsenal lied when they said they only had £40m to spend last summer. Until they spent £70m+ on Pepe that is. Clubs say convenient things for public consumption. 

Of course but just because one club lie, it does not mean another will lie too. If it was a lie, why were there so many stories about Klopp talking with Werner about a transfer to Liverpool - and they apparently talked multiple times? Heck, Werner even flirted with Liverpool publicly a la Hazard a few times earlier this year.

There is also enough evidence or stories to suggest Liverpool really have their hands tied with their finances because of this pandemic. Plus, (I have countered this in the past but am now bringing this up lol) Liverpool have tended to spend only when they are able to sell someone for big money. But they can't this summer and with the financial constraints, they need to tighten their purse strings.

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34 minutes ago, Jason said:

Of course but just because one club lie, it does not mean another will lie too

They all do but I used a harsh word when I said lie. Perhaps they'd say that their public statements are diplomatic or commercially sensitive.

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1 hour ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

I think this is a nonsense excuse. If they wanted him, they'd have made it happen.

The summer window will determine this I guess. 

I think in Liverpool's case where they don't have owners willing to put their own money in, and the club must generate their own money for transfers there is a very valid point though given the rumoured income effects on teams, especially in the Premier League.

I think though even if Liverpool do have some money that can be used for transfers, I do think the current situation forced them to be conservative and wait to see how the market "pans out". I think they believed that the market would suppress to a position whereby they could negotiate down from the release clause. With us being prepared to pay the release clause it prevented Liverpool from doing that.

It has to be considered that even though football is returning there is still so much uncertainty for the future. How long will empty stadiums continue for example? This could have a significant impact on teams revenue streams for longer than just this season. The likes of Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal who don't have an owner prepared to help during this time I think will feel the pinch.

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7 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

The likes of Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal who don't have an owner prepared to help during this time I think will feel the pinch.

In Spurs' case, I don't see how having a rich owner would even help them. They just spent a fortune on their new stadium, furloughed their staff (before being forced to a u-turn) and have had to borrow from the Bank of England to support them.

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15 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

One good thing about him is that he creates many goals by himself not just scoring tap ins or giving easy assists

 

It's something we've sorely missed since Hazard left. 

That, and the vision and eye for a pass that Ziyech should bring in the final third are two big traits we've been lacking this season and should help us breaking down the teams we've struggled with at the Bridge this season.

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IIRC, Werner had only around 600k+ followers on Instagram before yesterday. The transfer happened and then he has more than 1 million followers already. :lol:

 

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14 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I guess there are more Jasons out there emoji16.png.

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You're just jealous. :Goober: 

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12 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

No, of course I don't have evidence. I also had no evidence that Arsenal lied when they said they only had £40m to spend last summer. Until they spent £70m+ on Pepe that is. Clubs say convenient things for public consumption. 

I don't think they lied though. It was reported that Pepe fee is paid in 3 installment. 

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1 hour ago, communicate said:

I don't think they lied though. It was reported that Pepe fee is paid in 3 installment.

Paying fees in instalments is perfectly normal and would be factored in to any calculation.

Anyway, we've signed two players for next season already. We all at least respect them both, and want them to do well. I especially love Timo's pace. I'm looking forward to seeing how frequently we can create opportunities for him to exploit it. It's a heck of a weapon.

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Looks like Lampard has been a fan of Werner for some time already...

https://www.goal.com/en/news/lampard-explains-how-chelsea-won-race-for-475m-werner/eukkia73njal134ndjllf1a81

"I think he's clearly a player that we liked. I've certainly followed him for a long time myself, individually, just as a talented player, even before I had this job. But as a club, clearly we went for him, and he certainly will strengthen us in my opinion. 

"He's got huge talent, had a fantastic season this year but before that as well. Where we probably couldn't do as much business in the last couple of windows for whatever reasons, it's given us a chance to see some youth have more time in the team. 

"But we were very clear about the fact we wanted to improve and Timo Werner is always a signing that will improve us. I'm certainly very excited to have him playing for Chelsea and we look forward to having him."

Asked what had changed with Werner seemingly being all set to join Jurgen Klopp at Anfield at one stage, Lampard added: "I don't know, that's probably a better question to ask Timo himself. 

"We worked as hard as we could. I had good conversations with him personally, where I think he hopefully understands what I want to do here with the club, how we work, how we play. 

"It seemed that it came across as a really exciting prospect for him, because he obviously had some very, very good options. We're happy with that, it was very joined up from our end as to how we went about it, and we're just pleased that Timo has decided to come to us.

"I did speak to him [after confirmation he was joining Chelsea] and he was excited, which is great and I am certainly excited to have him here. We will have to hold our breath slightly because we have business at hand and so does he, finishing their league.

"He is the type of player we are looking at to come here and have a big impact. We will have to give him a bit of time, the Premier League is a different animal to other leagues in world football.

"But the quality that Timo has, the work ethic and personality, humility, really shone through for me when I was speaking to him. I am very happy to have him."

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Nagelsmann defended Werner over the decision to skip the CL with RB Leipzig... (cc @killer1257)

https://www.goal.com/en/news/chelsea-bound-werner-defended-by-leipzig-boss-nagelsmann/1e82ulu01ol1i10z682zemry77

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Speaking at a news conference ahead of Leipzig's clash with Borussia Dortmund on Saturday, Nagelsmann said: "I would like to defend him. 

"I don't like the way he's portrayed right now. I read some reports yesterday where it was said that he was not a sportsman, since he does not want to play in the Champions League for us anymore.

"He is a great sportsman who will give his all for us in the last two matches and who certainly will score in the last two matches. 

"If he stays healthy he will play for sure and be a normal member of our team even though he will leave us. 

"Regarding the Champions League, I would have loved to have him on board and would have liked it if he'd play for us. Simply because he is great player who scores a lot of goals. 

"But I can understand his and his team's side. He's coming to another city in a different country with a foreign language. 

"It's an unusual situation due to Covid, we never had something like this in football, with all competitions being spread out, everything being different and different measures need to be taken."

Nagelsmann believes Werner would have wanted to see out the Champions League campaign and says he must not be judged negatively by the unusual situation.

"I don't think one should judge from a far distance what kind of player or human being Timo Werner is. It is his right," he added. 

"It's a pity and sad and I believe he would have liked to play. However, it is a transfer that ends a big chapter of his life and where a new one with a lot of changes begins. 

"It's normal that during this time he does not want to take the risk of being injured, even though that rarely happens with him. 

"He wants to make his move together with his girlfriend so I can completely understand. It's not right that he is being blamed for his decision. 

"That does not mean I would not have liked him to take part in these matches. Timo knows this. He still is a good guy and a great player, so you must not criticise him in every TV show and claim that he is not a good sportsman."

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For some reason everytime his name pops up somewhere, I always read it as "Timo Wenger" [emoji28]

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