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Good game against Atletico.
People talk about his first touch, but I see that it is just not very consistent atm like the rest of his game. That turn and shot (stopped by the goalie) was really good and the first touch, perfect.

Just needs to settle a bit more and start turning some of the shots into goals. He does not have to become a prolific scorer to be a great player imo, just improve that final pass/shot.

Perhaps now playing in a better system (imo it is) will give him the confidence to do just that.

BTW, has been diving a bit too much for my taste.

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Really taking the piss now 

Werner has never been the most clinical of players. Last season in the Bundesliga he recorded 20 big chances missed, only second to Lewandowski at 24. That said, it comes with the territory. He's

A bit of class by RB Leipzig by posting the 'one step beyond' and now saying "Look after him for us, we will be rooting for Frank's young guns next season" Classy as fuck

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On 23/02/2021 at 23:41, robsblubot said:

Good game against Atletico.
People talk about his first touch, but I see that it is just not very consistent atm like the rest of his game. That turn and shot (stopped by the goalie) was really good and the first touch, perfect.

Just needs to settle a bit more and start turning some of the shots into goals. He does not have to become a prolific scorer to be a great player imo, just improve that final pass/shot.

Perhaps now playing in a better system (imo it is) will give him the confidence to do just that.

BTW, has been diving a bit too much for my taste.

"Good game"???? Is this what it has come down to? We are in trouble if people even believe he an alright game, because he was awful.

He might come good in the future but for now he has to sit on the bench like any other player that underperforms.

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On 21/02/2021 at 19:02, Mana said:

Jota would have been less risky to buy than Werner. Jota is at least PL-proven and one of Wolves' best players.

Aye it is all good saying that after he’s went to Liverpool had a good start and scored the 7 goals he has in all competitions. Nobody even mentioned him at the time last season or in the summer and lets be honest a lot would not have done. If he hadn’t had the impact he had there before his injury, I doubt many people would be that bothered. Good player yes but was a surprise to many he went to Liverpool and an even bigger surprise he had that drastic an impact. Whether or not it was just an incredibly good start that will settle out as he returns or the expectations he’s set for himself, who knows? I doubt many people seen it coming either way.

On 22/02/2021 at 12:37, killer1257 said:

 

Both Serie A and Bundesliga are a dream of pacy strikers, because both league's can't handle fast strikers. 

Would that basically not be the same for any pacey attacking players then, not just strikers? So clubs should just avoid buying from those leagues 😁😂

On 21/02/2021 at 21:39, Jason said:

But don't think the setup at Liverpool is quite the same though. 

I think regardless of who picks them, the signings ultimately have to fit their recruitment strategy, which since their owners took over whenever it was has probably been largely based on younger players with potential to grow and with resale value incase they decided to leave (ie Suarez and Coutinho in the past, Sterling from the academy) although now they’ve won a few trophies they’d probably want to adapt that approach. Which I think they did spending larger sums on van Dijk and Alisson to take them to the next level. But it was the only logical next step for where they were at at that time. 

I think with Klopp other than Klavan and Thiago most of the signings they’ve made have fitted that sort of age range of say 20-26. Not that they signed to resell but there was rumblings about them being cautious about signing Thiago due to his age which goes against their recruitment strategy. I think now like most clubs, the manager probably has areas that they want improved upon but generally the transfer strategy is probably made up by technical or sporting directors or whoever based off a criteria and positions, then they go from there bringing the manager back into it saying we think option x, y, z may suit this position or that one based off these scouting reports or analytical data. Managers are changing that commonly across Europe also so I think clubs maybe have to take things i to their hands a bit and maybe make managers work with less of a say in transfers or recruitment as 10-15 years ago.

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2 hours ago, Jason said:

 

Sure there would be many who would say it was more than a month haha but I like the comments he made about learning in bad moments but its all good talking the talk, he has to walk the walk now.

Particularly he has to start improving other aspects of his game, like his physicality a bit and the back to goal stuff. Countless times he  has gone down or stopped expecting fouls for very little/soft things outside the box and in positions where you’d just want him to try stay on his feet a bit more and hold the ball. Maybe next season we will see it a bit more.

Still though 10 goals and 6 assists in all competitions for us. Hopefully starts firing in a few more before the end of the season but was a bit disappointed with him v Atletico. 

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41 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Sure there would be many who would say it was more than a month haha but I like the comments he made about learning in bad moments but its all good talking the talk, he has to walk the walk now.

Particularly he has to start improving other aspects of his game, like his physicality a bit and the back to goal stuff. Countless times he  has gone down or stopped expecting fouls for very little/soft things outside the box and in positions where you’d just want him to try stay on his feet a bit more and hold the ball. Maybe next season we will see it a bit more.

Still though 10 goals and 6 assists in all competitions for us. Hopefully starts firing in a few more before the end of the season but was a bit disappointed with him v Atletico. 

Werner is actually famous for diving Germany. 

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10 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Werner is actually famous for diving Germany. 

Wasn't that mainly caused by the incident against Schalke? 

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3 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I would say so. He got a lot of hate for that incident

Yeah, got a lot of fans abuse too. Don't think playing for Leipzig helped his cause either! (not saying diving is good obviously)

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56 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Sure there would be many who would say it was more than a month haha but I like the comments he made about learning in bad moments but its all good talking the talk, he has to walk the walk now.

Particularly he has to start improving other aspects of his game, like his physicality a bit and the back to goal stuff. Countless times he  has gone down or stopped expecting fouls for very little/soft things outside the box and in positions where you’d just want him to try stay on his feet a bit more and hold the ball. Maybe next season we will see it a bit more.

Still though 10 goals and 6 assists in all competitions for us. Hopefully starts firing in a few more before the end of the season but was a bit disappointed with him v Atletico. 

The frustrating thing is he could have had at least 15 goals now.

But otherwise yeah, next season is the best time to judge him and the other new signings. Hopefully things will be back to some form of normality then and need England, Germany etc all to get KOed early from the Euros! 

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28 minutes ago, Jason said:

The frustrating thing is he could have had at least 15 MORE goals now.

I fixed it for you.

In PL he has 13 big chances missed. Only Bamford has more (15).

In CL 3. Cannot find stats about Cup games but against Luton he missed penalty. And there were situations where he should shot but he tried to pass (I think Newcastle game) and some bad first touches that stopped him from goal scoring opportunities. So lets say 20 possible more goals and if he scored 10-12 we would have completely different impression of him. He would already have more than 20 goals and would go for 30 which was something I expected before the season (all comps). He came with reputation of being top5 goalscorers in Europe. So yeah, being more clinical is all that we want. I think people would not even care about his overall game if he brings that.

This is just a small part.

 

And this is not really a big chance but someone would score there:

And a little bit of early days:

 

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5 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I fixed it for you.

In PL he has 13 big chances missed. Only Bamford has more (15).

I mean, you give and take a little. No one converts every bloody shot. Even the likes of Vardy and Mane are in the double figures for big chances missed. 

And I saw his xG in the league is something like 9.5 and he's scored just 5. So, he's underperformed that by like 4-5 goals. 

One would hope that with more time and experience, he would get that composure and clinical edge in the final third. 

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'Maybe it is our fault' - Tuchel admits Chelsea's possession-based style doesn't suit Werner

https://www.goal.com/en/news/tuchel-admits-chelseas-possession-based-style-doesnt-suit/1nbk2viu91e2m1a4d0s6w8omm8

"Maybe it is our fault because we have a lot of possession and we push opponent teams very, very deep in their half so spaces are not too big," Tuchel said.

"The biggest strength of Timo is to attack the space behind the last line so it is maybe also our fault in the dominant game that we play in the moment, it is very natural that the spaces are closed by the opponents.

"A game like against Atletico, is there any team out there in the world that can close spaces like Atletico? I don’t know. This is not exactly the opponent that you wish for Timo to show all his skills, so what is left for him is to not lose faith and work for the team.

"We are reflecting a lot about this and working a lot with him.

"There are also solutions in tight spaces to use his speed in the first metres, to use his acceleration.

"But it is not easy for him and I can totally see this and it is why I am very patient and very supportive and I believe in his potential and character and of course his goalscoring skills."

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47 minutes ago, Jason said:

'Maybe it is our fault' - Tuchel admits Chelsea's possession-based style doesn't suit Werner

https://www.goal.com/en/news/tuchel-admits-chelseas-possession-based-style-doesnt-suit/1nbk2viu91e2m1a4d0s6w8omm8

"Maybe it is our fault because we have a lot of possession and we push opponent teams very, very deep in their half so spaces are not too big," Tuchel said.

"The biggest strength of Timo is to attack the space behind the last line so it is maybe also our fault in the dominant game that we play in the moment, it is very natural that the spaces are closed by the opponents.

"A game like against Atletico, is there any team out there in the world that can close spaces like Atletico? I don’t know. This is not exactly the opponent that you wish for Timo to show all his skills, so what is left for him is to not lose faith and work for the team.

"We are reflecting a lot about this and working a lot with him.

"There are also solutions in tight spaces to use his speed in the first metres, to use his acceleration.

"But it is not easy for him and I can totally see this and it is why I am very patient and very supportive and I believe in his potential and character and of course his goalscoring skills."

Well, duh. Of course it’s our style that limits his chances 

Question is why he insists on keeping both. Either play more counter attacking to suit Werner or play a different player. 

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12 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

Well, duh. Of course it’s our style that limits his chances 

Question is why he insists on keeping both. Either play more counter attacking to suit Werner or play a different player. 

 

13 hours ago, Jason said:

'Maybe it is our fault' - Tuchel admits Chelsea's possession-based style doesn't suit Werner

https://www.goal.com/en/news/tuchel-admits-chelseas-possession-based-style-doesnt-suit/1nbk2viu91e2m1a4d0s6w8omm8

"Maybe it is our fault because we have a lot of possession and we push opponent teams very, very deep in their half so spaces are not too big," Tuchel said.

"The biggest strength of Timo is to attack the space behind the last line so it is maybe also our fault in the dominant game that we play in the moment, it is very natural that the spaces are closed by the opponents.

"A game like against Atletico, is there any team out there in the world that can close spaces like Atletico? I don’t know. This is not exactly the opponent that you wish for Timo to show all his skills, so what is left for him is to not lose faith and work for the team.

"We are reflecting a lot about this and working a lot with him.

"There are also solutions in tight spaces to use his speed in the first metres, to use his acceleration.

"But it is not easy for him and I can totally see this and it is why I am very patient and very supportive and I believe in his potential and character and of course his goalscoring skills."

Too bad for Timo we've got a team which can't play in own's part of the pitch without conceding too many goals 🙂 Our defensive players are too erratics for playing this strategy. We don't have a strong number 6 to play like the third CB just ahead the defense, this not the natural role of Kante and Jorginho always get drowned under pressure, our CB, precisely, are not good enough since the Cahill's twilight, they also get in panic too easily even if Silva has brought stability, we need, at least one boss 100% fit on those posts. No possible feat without this leader, a Chelsea fan should know it better than anyone. Last point, our wings back, except Dave who has been declining on this post, are, unfortunately, not real defenders. So playing with possesion and the 3-5-2 is the way the more suitable to our individual qualities. We won't find spaces for our strikers by playing in defense, we'll find it by making differences in the midfield with talent and creativity (and not always pace as i always can read on this forum). We must give the ball faster, no matter if our player's got pace if they keep it three hours before passing, in this perspective, i 'd always choose players like Fernandes or Ozil over Pulisic or Hazard. a conductor rather a solist and i'm still waiting to know in which category Havertz is.

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9 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

Well, duh. Of course it’s our style that limits his chances 

Question is why he insists on keeping both. Either play more counter attacking to suit Werner or play a different player. 

That's why Tuchel said what he said about finding solutions. Although our possession play is also slow, and not quick enough to unsettle defences. 

Onus also on Werner, in the long term, to add different skills to his game. 

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He needs to play with a striker up top to get the most out of him, Abraham is poor and Giroud is old. We better hope those rumours about Haaland are true he would complete the missing piece in the puzzle and have Werner deliver the goods for us.

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20 hours ago, Jason said:

 

Full quotes...

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/12230304/timo-werner-exclusive-goal-drought-period-at-Chelsea-was-worst-of-my-career-but-old-timo-is-coming-back

On the goal drought...

"The smile wasn't on my face all the time. You have to keep smiling, that's the most important thing because when you are not happy and you don't enjoy football, and you are always angry or mad, you can't go back to moments where you can play good football.

"That's my thing and how I want to train. The other things are: always be positive and not mad, and that's the next step to being back to the old Timo. Behind the smile, of course there were a lot of days without goals and also sometimes losing. It's not the best feeling but smiling on the outside is the best way to keep going.

"The period where I didn't score was the worst time of my career because I'd never missed so many big chances. I'd never been so long without a goal, so I was very happy it ended two games ago. It was a difficult time without those feelings.

"When I look back at my half a year with Chelsea, it wasn't the most difficult time in my career, but the best time to learn new things. When you have a period without goals you learn something from yourself. You learn a lot about how you can handle these situations and it was the best time for me to learn the most in my career. From bad moments you learn the most and that's exactly what happened in the last month."

"In the past, I've had a lot of difficult situations in my career. Also, at Leipzig where I scored all the time. These situations were with myself because I learnt I had to make more for the team than I did before. I had to do extra work in terms of defensive work and make more assists for my team-mates rather than just rely on goals.

"That way, I learnt not to be the goalscorer who just counts his goals but the man who worked for the team. I learnt I had to be patient and be the best Timo for the team and not the best Timo for myself.

On missing chances...

"When you come here to play as a striker and be the man to score the goals, of course I felt a little bit guilty that I missed so many chances. For the club, for the old manager but also for me because I want to score all the time and as much as I possibly can.

"Of course, if I'd scored four or five more goals maybe the old manager would still be here because we'd maybe have won two or three games more but you can't look too much into the past because there are too many games ahead of us.

"The past was like this and of course I feel a little bit guilty, but in football you have to go on, and now we have a lot of big games in the next few weeks and you have to look forward, especially when you have a new manager. It's a new beginning for everybody, for me as well because I'd missed so many chances and so many points, maybe I start now with a new start, and it's worked very well until now.

"I understood the old manager very well. It was not because of the language, but when you can talk German to someone, there are things he can explain to me easier than the old manager could. It's different when you talk to someone in your own language because one word is enough to make a sentence completely different.

"For me, that was the thing he changed. He knows me and his assistants know me from the Bundesliga. He gave me trust back and confidence back to be the Timo from the Bundesliga, to be back at the top and scoring goals."

On the Premier League...

"Everyone says there's a lot of strength, a lot of big guys in defence, the Premier League is very fast and there's a lot of high intensity. So, I came here and thought it would fit me very well, but now I know it is much more than just what people say.

"There's a lot more work in the Premier League. You have to a lot more defensive work as a team than, for example, in the Bundesliga. What I get now is that the Premier League is really hard. Every game, whether you play against the bottom side or the third side, it's always the same game.

"You can't go to the bottom side and say it's going to be an easy win today. You go to Burnley, you go to West Brom and it's a hard game. It's a very hard game and that's what makes it a lot of fun. You can never have a break. You always have to be at 100 per cent, always at the top level and that's something special in the Premier League."

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4 hours ago, R2D2 said:

He needs to play with a striker up top to get the most out of him, Abraham is poor and Giroud is old. We better hope those rumours about Haaland are true he would complete the missing piece in the puzzle and have Werner deliver the goods for us.

Between poor and old what is the worth stigma for you ? By forgetting Giroud, 4 months in the stand, behind Tammy and the young and fabulous Batshuayi, Lampard answered in his way.

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Please tell me this is fake. 

His goal is 10 PL goals??? That would be good first season?

Even Morata was never happy with 11 goals...

Does he believe in himself? Ok forget everything that already happened and 5 goals in 25 games but now in the next 13 games he thinks 5 more would be great?

Strikers want to score every game. What kind of mindset is this?

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