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1 hour ago, killer1257 said:


If Lampard gets the sack, we will see if the next coach can turn Werner into Bundesliga Werner. It is always the coaches fault, never the players that are not good enough.
 

How about putting Werner up front instead of Abraham? Where Werner scores most of his goals? Until that happens, it's not the players' fault. Werner is not a natural winger.

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Really taking the piss now 

Werner has never been the most clinical of players. Last season in the Bundesliga he recorded 20 big chances missed, only second to Lewandowski at 24. That said, it comes with the territory. He's

A bit of class by RB Leipzig by posting the 'one step beyond' and now saying "Look after him for us, we will be rooting for Frank's young guns next season" Classy as fuck

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How about putting Werner up front instead of Abraham? Where Werner scores most of his goals? Until that happens, it's not the players' fault. Werner is not a natural winger.
Werner scores most of his goals as a second striker. Watch his Bundesliga games again



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Just now, killer1257 said:

Werner scores most of his goals as a second striker. Watch his Bundesliga games again

But he's not a winger. It's like Arsenal putting Aubameyang on the left. Wasteful.

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6 hours ago, Mana said:

He is, just lost. That’s the coach’s job to give him direction. The tactics for Werner provided by Lampard made him worse.

I thought we bought Werner as a replacement for Abraham who is never good enough leading the line. Instead Werner has to accommodate him, to give assists.

This is so poor.

Agree.

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2 minutes ago, Milan said:

A question to the statsman - how many games did Werner start as CF at Chelsea? And what are his stats in those games? 

5 games.

W 3-1 Brighton - Won the penalty for the opening goal

D 3-3 Southampton - Scored twice and assisted the other

D 0-0 Sevilla

D 0-0 Man United

W 4-0 Krasnodar - Won a penalty (which Jorginho failed to convert). Scored one (from the penalty spot) and assisted one

The Sevilla and Man United were the ones Lampard parked the bus of course.

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12 hours ago, Jason said:

 

Lampard simply does not know how to use him. Werner has been poor recently but it's on Lampard. Werner is a 30-35 goal striker for 3 years now. He cant just turn to rubbish unless he is being played completely out of position like now. 

And Lampard's whole tactics seems to be switch to the fullbacks and cross it into the box. Thats why he cant bench Abraham to play Werner through the middle, because Lampards tactics is to cross only (David Moyes Style) and hope something happens. No single link up plays through the middle, no one twos, no dribbles through the centre, just pass between our centrebacks, switch to the fullbacks and cross into the box :doh: 

The moment Ziyech got injured (our only player that can play through the middle) and James started playing with an injury (our best crosser) Lampard's true tactical naivety has been exposed. 

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This is the reason why he should not have played CF today without Ziyech. Should have either not subbed of Giroud or put Tammy into the game instead.
Werner is useless without space or world class passes

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5 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

This is the reason why he should not have played CF today without Ziyech. Should have either not subbed of Giroud or put Tammy into the game instead.
Werner is useless without space or world class passes

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Nope, he is only useless in the striker position if the tactics is to spam high crosses and hope one comes off

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2 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

This is the reason why he should not have played CF today without Ziyech. Should have either not subbed of Giroud or put Tammy into the game instead.
Werner is useless without space or world class passes

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I have no fucking clue why Lampard even put Werner upfront to begin with if he wasn't going to ask the players to stop spamming crosses into the box and asked them to look for early passes instead! :doh: 

You can talk about us not having Ziyech till the cows come home but no one, NOT ONE FUCKING PLAYER, even tried to look for his run and play a forward pass for him to run into, especially when Villa were leaving gaps around. Instead, we kept passing backwards and sideways and then tried to spam crosses into the box (we even saw Christensen and Rudiger stupidly passing the ball to one another in the 88th minute!). It was the same case when Giroud was still on the pitch but at least the spamming crosses approach worked with him, even if it's predictable. But trying to do that when Werner was on the field? :doh: It's just stupid, braindead football.

And by the way, Ziyech didn't play against Southampton earlier this season and we still managed to make use of Werner's strengths when he played upfront then. The one player who could maybe played Fabregas-esque passes was taken off in the second half. 

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8 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

Nope, he is only useless in the striker position if the tactics is to spam high crosses and hope one comes off

If we want to play crosses so badly, fine but vary the crosses. Go high, go low, drill it across the goal, whip it into the box etc. But do we always do? Put high crosses into the box and only Abraham and Giroud have a chance of winning them.

Liverpool and Man City also play with **** ton of crosses but there's variation with them. City, for example, at their best would work the ball wide and look to drill in low crosses for someone to get a tap-in inside the box. 

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If we want to play crosses so badly, fine but vary the crosses. Go high, go low, drill it across the goal, whip it into the box etc. But do we always do? Put high crosses into the box and only Abraham and Giroud have a chance of winning them.
Liverpool and Man City also play with **** ton of crosses but there's variation with them. City, for example, at their best would work the ball wide and look to drill in low crosses for someone to get a tap-in inside the box. 
I don't think that our players have the quality to have different cross variations. Only James has the quality, but he had the quality since I was watching him play in the youth

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2 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I don't think that our players have the quality to have different cross variations. Only James has the quality, but he had the quality since I was watching him play in the youth

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But this is something that can be worked on. Regardless of whether someone can do it or not, I find it appalling if a team can only play one type of crosses. It won't be successful every time but god damn it, vary the crosses! Try them!

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But this is something that can be worked on. Regardless of whether someone can do it or not, I find it appalling if a team can only play one type of crosses. It won't be successful every time but god damn it, vary the crosses! Try them!


Do you not think that coaches tried teaching Willian how to cross? Mou failed, RDM failed, Conte failed. Not every player is meant to be a good crosser.

Azpi is playing RB for many years and you would think that he should know some more crosses variations.

But yes, you would think that Chelsea players should at least vary the crosses. I don't know why some players don't see the obvious.

I remember a time at Barcelona, in which Dani Alves always put high crosses in the box where Messi was. Never worked either and I did not understand why he did not try to lower the cross or play passes instead [emoji23]

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11 hours ago, killer1257 said:

Do you not think that coaches tried teaching Willian how to cross? Mou failed, RDM failed, Conte failed. Not every player is meant to be a good crosser.

Azpi is playing RB for many years and you would think that he should know some more crosses variations.

But yes, you would think that Chelsea players should at least vary the crosses. I don't know why some players don't see the obvious.

I remember a time at Barcelona, in which Dani Alves always put high crosses in the box where Messi was. Never worked either and I did not understand why he did not try to lower the cross or play passes instead emoji23.png

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Fuck it if they don't know how to cross. I would give $500 to someone just to see a different type of cross, regardless of whether it succeds or fails! :rant:

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Spot on. I was excited to see Werner come on not for a winger... "maybe we'll finally attack through the middle" I thought... nope! High crosses still, the only high cross that almost got us something was that Chilwell volley. Reminiscent of when Hazard played striker and the team kept lumping high passes to him. :doh:

Lampard doesn't understand we don't have Drogba in our team.

If we're gonna persist with this high crossing shit then just switch to 4-4-2 and play Tammy and Giroud together, sell Werner as he has no use in such an archaic team. No need to work on attacking patterns or anything, just lump it high and keep tight blocks in defence.

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