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The Vaccine Scientist Spreading Vaccine Misinformation

Robert Malone claims to have invented mRNA technology. Why is he trying so hard to undermine its use?

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

 

Robert Malone—a medical doctor and an infectious-disease researcher—recently suggested that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines might actually make COVID-19 infections worse. He chuckled as he imagined Anthony Fauci announcing that the vaccination campaign was all a big mistake (“Oh darn, I was wrong!”) and would need to be abandoned. When he floated that nightmare scenario during a recent podcast interview with Steve Bannon, both men seemed almost delighted at the prospect of public-health officials and pharmaceutical companies getting their comeuppance. “This is a catastrophe,” Bannon declared, beaming at his guest. “You’re hearing it from an individual who invented the mRNA [vaccine] and has dedicated his life to vaccines. He’s the opposite of an anti-vaxxer.”

Before going any further, let’s be clear that the back-and-forth between Bannon and Malone was premised on misinformation. The vaccines have repeatedly been shown to help prevent symptomatic coronavirus infections and reduce their severity. Malone was riffing on a botched sentence in a USA Today article, one that was later deleted but not before being screenshotted and widely shared. That kind of overheated, spottily sourced conversation is par for the course on shows like Bannon’s, which traffic in a set of claims that sound depressingly familiar: The vaccines cause more harm than experts are letting on; Fauci is a liar and possibly a fascist; and the mainstream news media is either shamelessly complicit or too stupid to figure out what’s really going on.

In that alternate media universe, Robert Malone’s star is ascendant. He started popping up on podcasts and cable news shows a few months ago, presented as a scientific expert, arguing that the approval process for the vaccines had been unwisely rushed. He told Tucker Carlson that the public doesn’t have enough information to decide whether to get vaccinated. He told Glenn Beck that offering incentives for taking vaccines is unethical. He told Del Bigtree, an anti-vaccine activist who opposes common childhood inoculations, that there hadn’t been sufficient research on how the vaccines might affect women’s reproductive systems. On show after show, Malone, who has quickly amassed more than 200,000 Twitter followers, casts doubt on the safety of the vaccines while decrying what he sees as attempts to censor dissent.

Read: How mRNA technology could change the world

Wherever he appears, Malone is billed as the inventor of mRNA vaccines. It’s in his Twitter bio. “I literally invented mRNA technology when I was 28,” says Malone, who is now 61. If that’s true—or, more to the point, if Malone believes it to be true—then you might expect him to be championing a very different message in his media appearances. According to one recent study, the innovation for which he claims to be responsible has already saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the United States alone; there’s talk that it may soon lead to a round of Nobel Prizes. It’s the kind of validation that few scientists in history have ever received. Yet instead of taking a victory lap, Malone has emerged as one of the most vocal critics of his own alleged accomplishment. He’s sowed doubt about the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines on pretty much any podcast or YouTube channel that will have him.

Why is the self-described inventor of the mRNA vaccines working so hard to undermine them?

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Whether Malone really came up with mRNA vaccines is a question probably best left to Swedish prize committees, but you could make a case for his involvement.  When I called Malone at his 50-acre horse farm in Virginia, he directed me to a 6,000-word essay written by his wife, Jill, that lays out why he believes himself to be the primary discoverer. “This is a story about academic and commercial avarice,” it begins. The document’s tone is pointed, and at times lapses into all-caps fury. She frames her husband as a genius scientist who is “largely unknown by the scientific establishment because of abuses by individuals to secure their own place in the history books.”

The abridged version is that when Malone was a graduate student in biology in the late 1980s at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, he injected genetic material—DNA and RNA—into the cells of mice in hopes of creating a new kind of vaccine. He was the first author on a 1989 paper demonstrating how RNA could be delivered into cells using lipids, which are basically tiny globules of fat, and a co-author on a 1990 Science paper showing that if you inject pure RNA or DNA into mouse muscle cells, it can lead to the transcription of new proteins. If the same approach worked for human cells, the latter paper said in its conclusion, this technology “may provide alternative approaches to vaccine development.”

These two studies do indeed represent seminal work in the field of gene transfer, according to Rein Verbeke, a postdoctoral fellow at Ghent University, in Belgium, and the lead author of a 2019 history of mRNA-vaccine development. (Indeed, Malone’s studies are the first two references in Verbeke’s paper, out of 224 in total.) Verbeke told me he believes that Malone and his co-authors “sparked for the first time the hope that mRNA could have potential as a new drug class,” though he also notes that “the achievement of the mRNA vaccines of today is the accomplishment of a lot of collaborative efforts.”

Read: The pandemic’s wrongest man

Malone says he deserves credit for more than just sparking hope. He dropped out of graduate school in 1988, just short of his Ph.D., and went to work at a pharmaceutical company called Vical. Now he claims that both the Salk Institute and Vical profited from his work and essentially prevented him from further pursuing his research. (A Salk Institute spokesperson said that nothing in the institute’s records substantiates Malone’s allegations. The biotech company into which Vical was merged, Brickell, did not respond to requests for comment.) To say that Malone remains bitter over this perceived mistreatment doesn’t do justice to his sense of aggrievement. He calls what happened to him “intellectual rape.”

One target of Malone’s ire, the biochemist Katalin Karikó, has been featured in multiple news stories as an mRNA-vaccine pioneer. CNN called her work “the basis of the Covid-19 vaccine” while a New York Times headline said she had “helped shield the world from the coronavirus.” None of those stories mentioned Malone. “I’ve been written out of the history,” he has said. “It’s all about Kati.” Karikó shared with me an email that Malone sent her in June, accusing her of feeding reporters bogus information and inflating her own accomplishments. “This is not going to end well,” Malone’s message says.

Karikó replied that she hadn’t told anyone that she is the inventor of mRNA vaccines and that “many many scientists” contributed to their success. “I have never claimed more than discovering a way to make RNA less inflammatory,” she wrote to him. She told me that Malone referred to himself in an email as her “mentor” and “coach,” though she says they’ve met in person only once, in 1997, when he invited her to give a talk. It’s Malone, according to Karikó, who has been overstating his accomplishments. There are “hundreds of scientists who contributed more to mRNA vaccines than he did.”

Malone insists that his warning to Karikó that “this is not going to end well” was not intended as a threat. Instead, he says, he was suggesting that her exaggerations would soon be exposed. Malone views Karikó as yet another scientist standing on his shoulders and collecting plaudits that should go to him. Others have been rewarded handsomely for their work on mRNA vaccines, he says. (Karikó is a senior vice president at BioNTech, which partnered with Pfizer to create the first COVID-19 vaccine to be authorized for use last year.) Malone is not exactly living on the streets: In addition to being a medical doctor, he has served as a vaccine consultant for pharmaceutical companies.

In any case, it’s clear enough that Malone isn’t singularly responsible for mRNA vaccines. The process of achieving major scientific advancements tends to be more cumulative and complex than the apple-to-the-head stories we usually tell, but this much can be said for sure: Malone was involved in groundbreaking work related to mRNA vaccines before it was cool or profitable; and he and others who believed in the potential of RNA-based vaccines in the 1980s turned out to be world-savingly correct.

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Malone may keep company with vaccine skeptics, but he insists he is not one himself. His objections to the Pfizer and Moderna shots have to do mostly with their expedited approval process and with the government’s system for tracking adverse reactions. Speaking as a doctor, he would probably recommend their use only for those at highest risk from COVID-19. Everyone else should be wary, he told me, and those under 18 should be excluded entirely. (A June 23 statement from more than a dozen public-health organizations and agencies strongly encouraged all eligible people 12 and older to get vaccinated, because the benefits “far outweigh any harm.”) Malone is also frustrated that, as he sees it, complaints about side effects are being ignored or censored in the nationwide push to increase vaccination rates.

You might very well walk away with the skewed sense, after hearing Malone speak or reading his posts, that there is a far-reaching COVID-19 cover-up and that the real threat is the vaccine rather than the virus. I’ve listened to hours of Malone’s interviews and read through the many pages of documents he’s posted. He is a knowledgeable scientist with a knack for lucid explanation. It doesn’t hurt that he looks the part with his neatly trimmed white beard, or that he has a voice that would be well suited for a meditation app. Malone is not a subscriber to the more out-there conspiracy theories regarding COVID-19 vaccines—he doesn’t, for instance, think Bill Gates has snuck microchips into syringes—and he sometimes pushes back gently when hosts like Bigtree or Beck drift into more ludicrous territory.

And yet he does routinely slip into speculation that turns out to be misleading or, as in the segment on Bannon’s show, plainly false. For instance, he recently tweeted that, according to an unnamed “Israeli scientist,” Pfizer and the Israeli government have an agreement not to release information about adverse effects for 10 years, which is hard to believe given that the country’s health ministry has already warned of a link between the Pfizer shot and rare cases of myocarditis. Malone’s LinkedIn account has twice been suspended for supposedly spreading misinformation.

Read: The mRNA vaccines are extraordinary, but Novavax is even better

His concerns are personal, too. Malone contracted COVID-19 in February 2020, and later got the Moderna vaccine in hopes that it would alleviate his long-haul symptoms. Now he believes the injections made his symptoms worse: He still has a cough and is dealing with hypertension and reduced stamina, among other maladies. “My body will never be the same,” he told me. In media appearances, he often notes that he has colleagues in the government and at universities who agree with him and are privately cheering him on. I spoke with several of these people—vaccine scientists and biotech consultants, suggested by Malone himself— and that is not what they told me. The portrait they paint of Malone is of an insightful researcher who can be headstrong. They related accounts of him, pre-pandemic, getting booted from projects because he was hard to communicate with and unwilling to compromise. (Malone has acknowledged his penchant for butting heads with fellow scientists.) And they are taken aback by his emergence as a vaccine skeptic. One called his eagerness to appear on less-than-reputable podcasts “naive,” while another said he thought Malone’s public rhetoric had “migrated from extrapolated assertions to sensational assertions.” Stan Gromkowski, a cellular immunologist who did work on mRNA vaccines in the early 1990s and views Malone as an underappreciated pioneer,  put it this way: “He’s fucking up his chances for a Nobel Prize.”

It’s only in the curious world of fringe media that Malone has found the platform, and the recognition, he’s sought for so long. He talks to hosts who aren’t going to question whether he’s the brains behind the Pfizer and Moderna shots. They’re not going to quibble over whether credit should be shared with co-authors, or talk about how science is like a relay race, or point out that, absent the hard work of brilliant researchers who came before and after Malone, there would be no vaccine. He’s an upgrade over their typical guest list of chiropractors and naturopaths, and they’re perfectly happy to address him by the title he believes he’s earned: inventor of the mRNA vaccines.

The irony is that, to the audiences who tune in to those shows, the vaccines are seen as a scourge rather than a godsend. No matter how nuanced Malone might try to be, or how many qualifiers he appends to his opinions, he is egging on vaccine hesitancy at a time when hospitals in the least-vaccinated parts of the country are struggling to cope with an influx of new COVID-19 patients. If you want proof of that, scroll through the many comments from his followers thanking him for confirming their fears. Malone has finally made his mark, by undermining confidence in the very vaccine he says wouldn’t be possible without his genius. It’s a victory, of sorts, but one that he and the rest of us may come to regret.

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This thread needs more factual evidence not opinions, The science is all over the shop so the only thing we can rely on is the PHE figures and the like however manipulated they may be!

the pill stuff theyre trying to shift in recent trials showed 30% effectivness, triple jabbed showed 70% waining after 10 weeks. those are verified trials etc.

People should be suspicious why the inventor of this type of treatment has been utterly ruined by the media.

It's getting to the point where this is like a religion, Just like dividing the people by making it political.

Most of the brilliant men and women always get shat on

Einstien was bullied and ridiculed when he worked out all sorts, Same for picasso etc etc etc

Back in the day doctors would subscribe you a pack of fags!

 

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Any leader trying to implement lockdowns should be dealt with severely , too bad everyone backed down. They’d have a much better time getting people taking the jabs if they didn’t lock people inside 

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19 hours ago, Vesper said:

it is not just Omicron about there, Delta is still killing off people too, AND if you are unvaxxed you are in much more trouble if you get either

I am not 'eating the narritive' (whatever that means)

It is the basic science

there is NOT some wild conspiracy theory rolling on

it is simply wilful ignorance by many bad actors and their millions of dupes versus basic science

 

Basic science? What about the science coming out from the other side of the coin which neither your leaders nor the media have any interest in? Why do ALL media around the world dont report the massive protests everyday? Is that not news worthy? Its cuz they dont want people to wake up, its against their agenda and goals. If you only seek one narrative then you are destined to be manipulated. If Delta is still killing folks then why do the leaders spread fear by claiming omicron is worse and thus new lockdowns, though its much much weaker, they have been informed with data that omicron is jack shit yet they dont care......why?

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53 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Basic science? What about the science coming out from the other side of the coin which neither your leaders nor the media have any interest in? Why do ALL media around the world dont report the massive protests everyday? Is that not news worthy? Its cuz they dont want people to wake up, its against their agenda and goals. If you only seek one narrative then you are destined to be manipulated. If Delta is still killing folks then why do the leaders spread fear by claiming omicron is worse and thus new lockdowns, though its much much weaker, they have been informed with data that omicron is jack shit yet they dont care......why?

Omicron is far more contagious, but milder.

If you are fully vaxxed and especially if boostered on top, you have almost no chance (unless you are very old or have commodities) of getting truly sick enough to go to the hospital, let alone die.

If you are not vaxxed at all, Omicron can deffo put you in the hospital and/or kill you. Just not to the level of Delta, but because it is so contagious, so many unvaxxed are ending up in the hospital, thus overwhelming many nations systems.

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55 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Basic science? What about the science coming out from the other side of the coin which neither your leaders nor the media have any interest in? Why do ALL media around the world dont report the massive protests everyday? Is that not news worthy? Its cuz they dont want people to wake up, its against their agenda and goals. If you only seek one narrative then you are destined to be manipulated. If Delta is still killing folks then why do the leaders spread fear by claiming omicron is worse and thus new lockdowns, though its much much weaker, they have been informed with data that omicron is jack shit yet they dont care......why?

Agree it is a bit censorial how the MSM steadfastly refuses to allow any opinions counter to government narratives.

If they are so sure of themselves what's the problem with hearing a counter argument ? I dont mean some of the fruitcake mentalists talking bollocks about bill Gates injecting us with 5G, but a coherent rational debate about free choice.

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6 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

coherent rational debate about free choice.

you wont get that from 98% of the crazed, politically motivated anti-vaxxers though

 

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1 minute ago, Vesper said:

you wont get that from 98% of the crazed, politically motivated anti-vaxxers though

 

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1 minute ago, Vesper said:

you wont get that from 98% of the crazed, politically motivated anti-vaxxers though

 

Exactly most are completely radio rental

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1 hour ago, Atomiswave said:

why do the leaders spread fear by claiming omicron is worse and thus new lockdowns, though its much much weaker, they have been informed with data that omicron is jack shit yet they dont care......why?

I think it is very convenient for failing governments, globally -( I mean the corrupt regime in the UK is the worst in living memory)--its a great distraction for them

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Omicron is weak as piss , doesn’t help that about a third of the population is obese so there will always be plenty of people to “protect”

in normal times this virus wouldn’t even register but modern man is so weak and glued to technology they can make a big deal out of it 

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Comedian Russell Brand Has Become a Powerful Voice for Anti-Vaxxers

The comedian seems to have found a loyal fan base in conservatives and anti-vaxxers who have flocked to his YouTube and Facebook accounts for his rambling vaccine-sceptic views.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/comedian-russell-brand-has-become-a-powerful-voice-for-anti-vaxxers

If there’s one thing few people had on their 2021 bingo cards, it would be anti-vaxxers becoming enamoured with British comedian Russell Brand for his conspiracy theory-laden YouTube channel.

The Forgetting Sarah Marshall actor has always presented himself as a contrarian—a “free-thinker” who isn’t afraid to challenge established views or spout off at the government (both U.K. and U.S.).

But recently, Brand, who always seemed to skew left in his political beliefs, has found a loyal fanbase in right-wing conservatives and anti-vaxxers who have flocked to his YouTube and Facebook accounts, hailing the 46-year-old as a so-called “voice of reason.”

He’s played heavy to this fanbase, interviewing right-wing trolls Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens, although he does disagree with them on certain points. In June, he asked his watchers if he should accept Fox News’ invitation to appear on the network; most agreed he should. “I would suggest Tucker; he’s very fair,” one fan commented.

The titles of his videos are often designed to delight or infuriate, depending on the viewer’s political stance, leaning heavily on incredulous clickbait titles such as: “Thought Biden Couldn’t Sink Any Lower?? THINK AGAIN!!,” “Did Liberals Use Feminism to Justify Afghan Cluster F*ck?,” “SHOCKING Wuhan Evidence: Did Fauci LIE?,” and “So...Trump was RIGHT About Clinton & Russia.”

But for the past few weeks, Brand has also taken issue with the vaccine, casting doubt on the trustworthiness of the FDA, asking if vaccine mandates are an assault on people’s bodily freedoms, calling the vaccine a “gold rush,” and pondering whether people could trust Bill Gates. Most recently, Brand declared that there was a “vaccine apartheid,” going after CNN anchor Don Lemon after he called out people who refused to get vaccinated.

And Brand has struck a viewership goldmine with his videos. His videos, which appear to be monetized, often rack up millions of views across YouTube and Facebook, and his comment sections have become hotbeds of misinformation.

His viewership has railed against Dr. Anthony Fauci, mocked the phrase “follow the science,” talked about microdosing with ivermectin, and claimed loved ones had passed away as a result of getting the vaccine.

“Either he had a complete awakening after I last checked or either I was completely wrong about him,” a user commented on Brand’s video about the alleged untrustworthiness of Facebook putting disclaimers on posts that contain medical misinformation. “I thought he was one of these crazy people who think CNN is real news.”

On Wednesday, YouTube announced it planned to crack down on content posted to its platform that spread medical misinformation, saying it had already removed more than 130,000 videos within the past year that violated its COVID-19 vaccine policies. YouTube said of Brand’s channel, “We’re reviewing the videos raised by The Daily Beast.”

Brand’s YouTube channel has long been a haphazard and rambling space where the comedian posted conversation-style videos—picking a controversial hot topic, political or trivial, and rattling off his take for the next 10 minutes, occasionally interviewing a guest about the matter.

While these videos didn’t necessarily flop, Brand only recently found his core viewership when he began discussing COVID-19 and political hot topics after Donald Trump left office.

And for all of Brand’s clickbait titles, his actual videos aren’t as incendiary as their names suggest. He tends to aimlessly circle the topic, repeating the dubious vaccine-skeptic claims of others while offering precious little insight of his own, playing the role of the guy “just asking questions.” For instance, in “Can We REALLY Trust Vaccine Fact-Checkers??!” he simply reads through a dubious report by Russia’s state-controlled news arm RT line by line, going on various tangents. A December 2020 video titled, “Covid Vaccine - Scepticism or Trust?,” released just as the vaccine was rolling out in the U.K., saw Brand airing a series of clips of vaccine sceptics being interviewed on the street, before sharing, “I’m certainly by no means saying ‘Don’t take a vaccine,’ neither am I saying ‘Do take a vaccine’” and railing against an increase in “government authority” and decrease in “personal liberties” that is “concerning.”

In “Vaccine Mandates: An ASSAULT On Your Bodily Freedoms?,” published on Sept. 16, Brand opined, “The idea of mandating something, that’s authoritarianism. That’s what that is. That’s telling people they have to do stuff… I think that it’s pretty significant and serious around this issue, even though I would never tell anybody what they should do with their own body, that’s my personal perspective…” He later falsely claimed that “everyone went along with [the lockdowns] patriotically” during the early stages of the pandemic, and to impose mandates now would violate “the principles of freedom… the very principles that countries like the United States of America were founded on.”

After Joe Rogan admitted he had contracted COVID-19 and was taking ivermectin, which is also used to deworm horses, to treat it, Brand quickly jumped at the chance to lament how the media was “deeply cynical about the method of his treatment.”

“[What] I find interesting is the way that Rogan is being treated by what you’d have to call the mainstream media and their appetite to condemn, and in some ways, with particular bias,” he says, while neglecting to mention that the FDA had warned people against using the drug to treat COVID-19 due to its dangerous side effects.

He then reads off journalist Matt Taibbi’s Substack post about ivermectin and its popularity among those who lean right politically, and says people should recognize that “science is not free from biases, [and] science exists within certain economic and financial constraints with certain economic and financial imperatives.”

“I’m not recommending anyone does anything,” Brand later clarifies, saying he doesn’t want any “aggravation” from YouTube. “I really don’t feel inclined to or qualified to do anything of that nature.”

And in his takedown of Lemon’s appearance on Chris Cuomo’s CNN show, he reads through a New York Times story and recent Kaiser Family Foundation report that breaks down groups that are unvaccinated and their reasons for doing so. He quickly brushes past those who refuse to get the vaccine because of their religious beliefs, reasoning they value their personal liberties and their primary authority is religion-based, rather than taking edicts from the government. Brand then parses the KFF report, pointing out minority groups’ valid concerns about getting the vaccine, such as obtaining childcare so they can get their shot, worries about missing work if they experience side effects, and hesitancy about getting a vaccine that hadn’t been FDA-approved. He fails to mention the extreme rarity of people having severe side effects to the vaccines and then makes a side note that the FDA is untrustworthy even if it did approve Pfizer’s vaccine.

Dr. Sadiya Khan, an epidemiologist and assistant professor of medicine at Northwestern University’s Feinberg School of Medicine, told The Daily Beast that while she would never have any issue with Brand or anyone else asking questions about the vaccine or being hesitant to take it, she says it’s important to get their answers from a trusted source.

“I think it’s really important for everyone to think for themselves,” she says. “I am not frustrated at all by individual-level questions, by individual-level discussion, or making sure that individual concerns are addressed. What’s frustrating is when there is not rational conversation, when there is misinformation, or blatant lies as related to the FDA approval.”

Dr. Rebecca Weintraub, an assistant professor in the Department of Global Health and Social Medicine at Harvard Medical School, agrees. “I think the most important thing is going to the source and looking at the original data for these discussions and decisions.”

“There has been both a mistrust in science and a politicization of this pandemic,” she adds. “We understand why folks are questioning and asking good questions about the vaccine. We are recommending that folks initiate a conversation with a provider they know to speak directly with a provider who’s trained as a clinician.”

Even if someone has a distrust of government organizations, both Khan and Weintraub say they should still go to the CDC and FDA websites and review the primary data as part of their information-gathering.

But Weintraub and Khan draw the line at Brand seeming to signal-boost the idea that it’s safe to take medicines such as Ivermectin as an alternative method to treat or stave off COVID-19.

“It’s almost comical that the vaccine side effects are being used as a reason not to proceed with something that is safe, effective, and has been shown to protect one against COVID,” Khan says. “Then use a medicine that has no evidence whatsoever for protection, but can give you headache, dizziness, muscle pain, nausea, or diarrhoea to list some side effects.”

“The medicines he’s mentioning do not work for treating COVID-19, there is no data,” Weintraub adds. “There’s no reliable data. I wouldn’t give it to my family member; I wouldn’t give it to a patient. I would not as a physician, I would not give you medicine that does not work to treat COVID-19.”

Weintraub urges people who are hesitant about getting the vaccine to listen to the experts, in the same way you would listen to experts of other industries.

“The example that comes to mind is, when I bring my car in for repair and I ask my mechanic, ‘Are the brakes working?’ And he says, ‘Yes, I tested them, they’re safe, you can drive the car.’ And I get in the car and I drive along, acknowledging the expertise of my mechanic that he’s tested the brakes. There’s times when it’s a rare event and my brakes don’t work. But I’ve relied on the right expertise, not assuming I can become an expert overnight in mechanics.”

Khan acknowledges that in this era of mass information with multiple differing opinions and beliefs, it can be difficult to know who to trust, especially when the information is coming from a high-profile figure.

For a celebrity such as Brand with millions of followers, Weintraub says he has taken on the responsibility of giving accurate info to those looking to him for advice. But she says that experts are more than happy to help out and come on his platform to make sure his followers have the best information available.

 

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What a drama with Djokovic lending in Australia 😂😂

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1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

What a drama with Djokovic lending in Australia 😂😂

Good on him, his life his choice.

 

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