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Guys, i just want to say,¬†take care of yourselves and your families during this horrible pandemic, stay safe always and God bless you all. Hug ūüôŹūüí™ūüĎä

In the US people queue up to buy guns. In the Netherlands thousands of people were today queueing to buy weed before all coffee shops (and restaurants, cafes etc.) closed down at 6pm and will remain s

Good article - history shows governments are really slow to withdraw big brother state apparatus and surveillance when emergencies are over. Theyre also quite keen for everyone to have the Covid

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Boris says possible restrictions coming.. Labour bloke calls for lockdown so no doubt Boris be nahhh then few days later oooh surprise!!

Schools closing here,there and everywhere at least...

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2 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

This government are ignoring SAGE advice, blood on their hands.

Pretty much been that throughout. Get told one thing..ignore the act when its to late.

It shouldn't be down to individual councils or unions to close schools....he shouldve done this days ago himself. Idiot man

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On the positive when this fucking parasitic virus is gone  theres going to be an explosion of SOCIALISING, DRINKING, CULTURE, FESTIVALS ,RAVES, MUSIC, DANCING.... IF YOUR MATE ASKS YOU OUT FOR A PINT, YOU ARE NEVER, NEVER GOING TO SAY ' NAH, I'M A BIT TIRED'. 

Basically, ONE BIG PARTY 

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8 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

On the positive when this fucking parasitic virus is gone  theres going to be an explosion of SOCIALISING, DRINKING, CULTURE, FESTIVALS ,RAVES, MUSIC, DANCING.... IF YOUR MATE ASKS YOU OUT FOR A PINT, YOU ARE NEVER, NEVER GOING TO SAY ' NAH, I'M A BIT TIRED'. 

Basically, ONE BIG PARTY 

Probably be 2022 by the time this happens again though. It’s embarrassing nobody in government has a clue or can stick with a plan. We will be out again whenever and then back in at least once more before the years out 100%.

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18 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

On the positive when this fucking parasitic virus is gone  theres going to be an explosion of SOCIALISING, DRINKING, CULTURE, FESTIVALS ,RAVES, MUSIC, DANCING.... IF YOUR MATE ASKS YOU OUT FOR A PINT, YOU ARE NEVER, NEVER GOING TO SAY ' NAH, I'M A BIT TIRED'. 

Basically, ONE BIG PARTY 

Club used to go to go very very optimistic in August.. posted how hopping to open in September.. then October.. then November then gave up. Hopefully they survive know few gone under 

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32 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

Club used to go to go very very optimistic in August.. posted how hopping to open in September.. then October.. then November then gave up. Hopefully they survive know few gone under 

I think next week the body that regulates festivals are meeting - it looks like all Summer festivals, including Glasto will be cancelled :blink:

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When this is ‚Äúover‚ÄĚ what‚Äôs to stop China releasing their next bioweapon to cripple us again?

The high tech world is completely reliant on China to keep operating , they can act with impunity 

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19 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

On the positive when this fucking parasitic virus is gone  theres going to be an explosion of SOCIALISING, DRINKING, CULTURE, FESTIVALS ,RAVES, MUSIC, DANCING.... IF YOUR MATE ASKS YOU OUT FOR A PINT, YOU ARE NEVER, NEVER GOING TO SAY ' NAH, I'M A BIT TIRED'. 

Basically, ONE BIG PARTY 

Will be like it at first but eventually the old habits will return.

Like how when football was suspended supporters vowed to never take it for granted again and we'd cherish even Burnley vs West Brom.

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2 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Will be like it at first but eventually the old habits will return.

Like how when football was suspended supporters vowed to never take it for granted again and we'd cherish even Burnley vs West Brom.

or like the 'roaring twenties' of 100 years ago...that ended well :P

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10 minutes ago, lucio said:

When this is ‚Äúover‚ÄĚ what‚Äôs to stop China releasing their next bioweapon to cripple us again?

The high tech world is completely reliant on China to keep operating , they can act with impunity 

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there is literally zero proof that it was a purpose-made and deliberately released Chinese bio-weapon

no, batshit lunacy like the ludicrous and thoroughly debunked RW claptrap Plandemic doesn't count

there is, again ZERO concrete evidence of it being a Chinese bioweapon

all that is is CT with no basis in cold hard reality

it's the stuff of the lunatic Alex Jones-style crackpot sphere

you literally now have Trump's lawyer tweeting and blogging about Lizard people alongside his Chi-com ranting

smdh

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Vesper said:

there is literally zero proof that it was a purpose-made and deliberately released Chinese bio-weapon

no, batshit lunacy like the ludicrous and thoroughly debunked RW claptrap Plandemic doesn't count

there is, again ZERO concrete evidence of it being a Chinese bioweapon

all that is is CT with no basis in cold hard reality

it's the stuff of the lunatic Alex Jones-style crackpot sphere

you literally now have Trump's lawyer tweeting and blogging about Lizard people alongside his Chi-com ranting

smdh

 

 

The Chinese virologist who fled to the US said it was made in a military lab and deliberately released. And no I don’t expect the communist Chinese government to leave clear evidence lying around for the world to see. It’s more credible than some clown randomly eating a bat 

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7 minutes ago, lucio said:

The Chinese virologist who fled to the US said it was made in a military lab and deliberately released. And no I don’t expect the communist Chinese government to leave clear evidence lying around for the world to see. It’s more credible than some clown randomly eating a bat 

Responses from the scientific community

Prior to the posting of the September 14 preprint, Yan had participated in a number of interviews, including with Fox News on July 10, in which she said that she had access to information about human-to-human transmission early on because of her work on a WHO project at Hong Kong University (HKU) in December 2019.[12] A July 11, 2020 official online statement issued by HKU, confirmed that Yan had been a post-doctoral fellow at HKU, however, her "report does not accord with the key facts as we understand them. Specifically, Dr. Yan never conducted any research on human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus at HKU during December 2019 and January 2020, her central assertion of the said interview. We further observe that what she might have emphasised in the reported interview has no scientific basis but resembles hearsay."[29] HKU's July 11 statement did not mention when and why Yan left the university.[30] According to the SCMP, the director of HKU's School of Public Health, Keiji Fukuda, said in an internal memo to staff that none of the researchers named by Yan were involved in any cover-up or "secret research".[30]

Immediately after the Zenodo preprint was posted, prominent virologists began to post rebuttals on Twitter, in what National Geographic described as a "firestorm".[10] Immunologist Kristian G. Andersen, a specialist in communicable diseases and genomics for Scripps Research and co-author of the March 2020 article in Nature Medicine (see above),[21] and Yujia Alina Chan, a postdoctoral researcher, both said the paper left out recent data related to coronavirus in pangolins and bats.[28]

On September 15, Andersen said in a tweet that the "Yan Report" was "non-scientific", "false", and had ignored "data disproving their hypotheses." He said that it was "poppycock dressed up as 'science'", that used "technical language" impossible for non-experts to decode.[28] The University of Glasgow's David Robertson said that it "just cherry-picked a couple of examples, excluded evidence, and came up with a ridiculous scenario."[10] The virologists raised concerns that Yan's report ignored the large body of published scientific literature on coronaviruses in general and the origins of SARS-CoV-2 in particular. The report also "whipped up wild conspiracy theories" and wrongly accused scientists of "plotting with conspirators."[10]

In their September 21, 2020 published response to Yan's preprint, four authors from the¬†Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security¬†said that her paper had not been submitted to a scientific¬†peer-reviewed¬†publication.[4]¬†They said that, "Yan et al refer to an extensive scientific literature providing "genomic, structural, and literature evidence" to counter the prevailing theory in the scientific community that the origin of SARS-CoV-2 is a natural zoonosis, emerging from animals, but they do not cite any references to support their claim‚ÄĒa crucial basic practice for any researcher."[4]

As of early October, a Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) project called Rapid Reviews: Covid-19 (RR:C19), which seeks out preprint papers and reviews them in an attempt to "prevent the dissemination of false or misleading scientific news"[31] although it is "not traditional peer review"[32] has issued four evaluations of Yan's preprint. All four reviewers rated the preprint as "Misleading" on the project's "Strength of Evidence Scale," the lowest-strength rating which is accompanied by the statement "serious flaws and errors in the methods and data render the study conclusions misinformative. The results and conclusions of the ideal study are at least as likely to conclude the opposite of its results and conclusions than agree. Decision-makers should not consider this evidence in any decision."'[33][34][35][36]

Reviewers for the MIT Rapid Reviews: Covid-19 project who analyzed Yan's study issued the following statement jointly:

Given the far-reaching implications of the "Yan Report," RR:C19 sought out peer reviews from world-renowned experts in virology,¬†molecular biology,¬†structural biology,¬†computational biology, vaccine development, and medicine. Collectively, reviewers have debunked the authors' claims that: ‚Ďī bat coronaviruses ZC45 or ZXC21 were used as a background strain to engineer SARS-CoV-2, ‚ĎĶ the presence of restriction sites flanking the¬†RBD¬†suggest prior screening for a virus targeting the human¬†ACE2¬†receptor, and ‚Ď∂ the¬†furin-like cleavage site is unnatural and provides evidence of engineering. In all three cases, the reviewers provide counter-arguments based on peer-reviewed literature and long-established foundational knowledge that directly refute the claims put forth by Yan¬†et al. There was a general consensus that the study's claims were better explained by potential political motivations rather than scientific integrity. The peer reviewers arrived at these common opinions independently, further strengthening the credibility of the peer reviews.[5]

According to¬†Newsweek, several experts in evolutionary biology and infectious disease, including¬†Jonathan Eisen¬†and¬†Carl Bergstrom, said the paper did not include new information, contained multiple unsubstantiated claims and had a weak scientific case.[25]¬†Columbia University¬†virologist¬†Angela Rasmussen¬†said the paper was "basically all circumstantial and some of it is entirely fictional".[24]¬†For example the paper asserts that SARS-CoV-2 has a "unique" furin cleavage site in its protein structure "completely absent in this particular class of coronaviruses found in nature"; however Rasmussen says that many coronaviruses, including the¬†2012 MERS coronavirus, have these sites and that hence "This proves exactly nothing."[1][8]¬†Andrew Preston, a biologist at the¬†University of Bath, said the ‚Äúpreprint report cannot be given any credibility in its current form‚ÄĚ.[11]

Yan's paper also stated that two strains of bat coronaviruses discovered in China, ZC45 and ZXC21, were "suspiciously" similar to SARS-CoV-2 and these strains could have been used as a template for a deadlier virus. The two strains differed by approximately 3,500 nucleotide base pairs. Several virologists, including Rasmussen, said it would be either inefficient or impossible to engineer a virus where 10% of its genome would have to be replaced.[10] Craig Wilen, at the Yale School of Medicine, said that this kind of genome selection is nearly impossible.[11]

For an article published on October 21, 2020, CNN had interviewed six experts from different institutions, including Rasmussen, University of Michigan's Anna K. Mapp, and Georgetown University's Daniel R. Lucey. All of them said that the methodology Yan had used was "flawed". They described the pre-print as "junk science", "leaps of logic" and "window dressing". Rasmussen said the report is deceptive and was written to spread "political propaganda", and that while her theories could not be completely ruled out, The "extraordinary claim...[shouldn't be made without]...extraordinary evidence", and that she had not supplied credible evidence.[6]

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1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

I think next week the body that regulates festivals are meeting - it looks like all Summer festivals, including Glasto will be cancelled :blink:

Yeah heard that earlier. Looking more likely! Probably not worth the risk of planning it and being called off again. No way will it be normal by May.. June.. whenever it is.

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1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

or like the 'roaring twenties' of 100 years ago...that ended well :P

nothing says fun fun fun like a global depression followed by the rise of Hitler and Stalin

Hitler and Stalin by Laurence Rees review ‚ÄĒ bloody fantasy versus cruel  rationalism | Saturday Review | The Times

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14 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

Yeah heard that earlier. Looking more likely! Probably not worth the risk of planning it and being called off again. No way will it be normal by May.. June.. whenever it is.

Yeah, think there will be quiet a few non-corporate 'gatherings'.

Thing is if I was young ( again) :) i'd be out raving and partying. Its what young people do, and very hard to isolate and not be with you're mates as a teenager or in your twenties

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7 minutes ago, Vesper said:

nothing says fun fun fun like a global depression followed by the rise of Hitler and Stalin

Hitler and Stalin by Laurence Rees review ‚ÄĒ bloody fantasy versus cruel  rationalism | Saturday Review | The Times

Definitely a rise of populism and nationalism - with most countries cutting 'foreign aid '

though on the positive apparently theres more empathy and altruism about -but not for fucking Lampard :D

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