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49 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

You almost start to think it benefits the billionaires to have a clown at the front -think Bush junior as well...its a brilliant distraction.

The last President that I remember who was intelligent and had genuine interests in the public at large was Jimmy Carter. But even if you look at the debates between Nixon and Kennedy, there was a genuine respect for the others view -all that has dissipated into childish insults now.

the only US POTUS's I rate (LBJ barely makes it, as he fucked up on Vietnam, but he was great socially and on civil rights, and I include Carter as he is a great human, but had a pretty weak presidency)

The first 7 were good or great, and then the bottom fell out, as other than Lincoln and the solid Grover Cleveland (often overlooked, but he stood out in the middle of a HORRID run of 8, post Lincoln and all the way up to Teddy Roosevelt, he also was the only split term POTUS in history), the rest in the 19th century were varying degrees of shit, as were the 8 before Lincoln, so 17 presidents, 2 good or great, 2 were too short to rank and the rest shit).

Number 1 POTUS in US history was Lincoln, IMHO, with FDR 2nd, Washington 3rd, then Jefferson 4th, then Teddy Roosevelt 5th, Jackson 6th, Madison 7. (JFK would be in there, but he was cut down too soon)

Trump is the worst in history (and if re-elected may well set the union up for a partial breakup), then Harding, then Buchanon, then Wilson, then Reagan The last two (Wilson and Reagan) rank high on most lists, but they remade the country horrifically IMHO, Wilson with the Federal Reserve and WWI, etc, and Reagan with his pushing in extreme oligarchic corporatism and destruction of the workers, plus the insane military build-up and the culture wars, and finally the 6th worst was Andrew Johnson (he fucked up the post Civil War US), and lastly, Nixon (who did a lot of good things, actual progressive moves, but was a crook at heart and injected the Southern strategy, that made the Republicans the party of racists) Dishonourable mention (and another one often ranked high) Truman, a mass murderer (atomic bombings, plus he started the CIA and the Cold War)

Willian Henry Harrison (in office for a month when he died, and Zachary Taylor, a little over year, and he died were too short of terms to rank)

Obama had so much promise, and turned out to be basically a corporatist very moderate Republican (like a 1970's, 1970's eastern Rockefeller Republican) and was a war monger. Such a shame.

The good or great :

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Guys, i just want to say, take care of yourselves and your families during this horrible pandemic, stay safe always and God bless you all. Hug 🙏💪👊

Strange times. We've surrendered our liberty and freedom to the State. Parliament has disappeared. All private enterprise has been Nationalised. Movement controlled. All our freedom just given up with

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1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

Why no one mentioned Bill Clinton? 

I remember as 7 years old kid in 1999 hiding in the basement with all the others from his bombs :lol:

Clinton was a shit POTUS too

I just did not want to list all 45

Clinton was a war monger and also a DISASTER with his economic legislation that helped lay the foundation for the 2007-09 financial crisis, namely the repeal of Glass-Steagall and then the  re-legalisation of most all forms of derivatives via the horrific Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000.

One of the major cunts behind that, Larry Summers, who also fucked up the 2009 bailouts (he convinced Obama to not go after the biggest criminals in the banks, and also cut off aid to smaller firms in favour of the giant ones, JUST LIKE what is going on now under Trump, ffs), is now a chief financial advisor for that sundowner Biden.

Fucking yanks, they somehow always end up picking the true shit over and over and over. The worse your advice and policies are or were, the more likely you get a second, third, fourth bite at the apple.

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22 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

Trump says Covid reparations coming: US will bill China at least $160 Billion.

good luck with that!!!!!!

it will come from the same pot of gold where the hundreds of billions in tariffs China paid since Trump said they had to (Pro tip, China paid fuckall)

he is the biggest shitehawk on the world stage

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A war on China has been planned since the US ringed China with 400 US bases and nukes. This extreme provocation is never reported. Australia's media drumbeat echoes the country's Vichy elite ("Beijing's true face unmasked"). Now China threatens a boycott. Beware the slide to war.

John Pilger 

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5 hours ago, 11Drogba said:

 

Rubin is a never Trumper Republican, she HATES Rump. She was a big Romney booster back in 2012 

It is all good that she detests trump, but her type of Democrat (Biden is pretty close) is a neoliberal war hawk.

American politics is so depressing, as there is no truly effective left there. Even Sanders and now and (this really pisses me off, as she has caved in after less than TWO years!) AOC are sheepdogs. They get into the system and want to protect their committee seats, so they never truly attack the corporatists like Pelosi and Schumer, etc etc, who run the show. I do not see how that changes, becuase the Republicans have so artificially swung the nation to the right with voter suppression and gerrymandering that it is almost impossible to elect more than a handful of real lefties, and like AOC, they cave in to the system. There are so so so many swing districts, where a true prog has no chance of winning, and then many of the solid Blue districts are under the thumb of long-term machine hacks, and the DNC and all the other sitting members smash anyone who tries and primaries them.

It is so bad on the big US Democratic chat boards that the bigg posters there swarm and bully people who were against the two worst dems in Congress (and both are in safe Blue seats) Dan Lipinski (he finally went down to a challenger) and the even worse Henry Cuellar (who won, unfortunately) Cuellar is anti-choice, he is A- rated by the NRA (he is huge gun humper) rabid homophobe, gets more private prison and big oil money that any other Dem in the house, is anti-immigrant and even campaigned for and raised money for a REPUBLICAN, a racist climate change denier named John Carter. yet the neoliberal who run the board love him because he is pro bank and most of them are deep down big fans of big oil and private prisons.

Like I said, the US political state is shambolic. That board LOVES the Dem Libs in the UK (they hate Corbyn and whinge on about what a godlike figure Blair was, gag).Most do not understand how the UK works, so I have had crazy arguments when I showed how the fucking Lib Dems propped up Cameron and the Tories for ages. Some even, after seeing what happened, STILL say the Lib Dems were right, because they agree with austerity schemes (as long as it does not touch their pet US programmes (that benefit only olds, Social Security and Medicaid), as most of them are boomers and older, and are CLASSIC 'I got mine so FUCK YOU' greedy old ex hippies. Actually I doubt some of them were even real hippies, they just lie and claim it. They ADORE Bill Clinton and Obama, becuase they both were neoliberal 3rd-wayers at core, and many of them love wars that Democrats start (but hate the ones Republicans start, although I guarantee a shit tonne of them were all like Biden and Hillary back in 2003, and all gung ho for Iraq, until it blew up in the US's and the world's face)

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On 25/04/2020 at 4:29 PM, Fulham Broadway said:

There is now serious doubt over the correlation between lockdown and saving lives. Reality is creeping into the Covid–19 dialogue. It is becoming apparent that people are getting sick because they are being isolated and effectively living under house arrest, condemned as "murderers" if they so much as think about breaking curfew, being snitched on by neighbours for "gathering" more than two people together in their back gardens. Need to end the lockdown incrementally now. Also.....

"The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants" — Albert Camus and he was as good a footballer as philosopher, until he contracted TB

The thing that's struck me the most through this is the internalized hatred in football, it's not so prevalent here but elsewhere it's intense to say the least.

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35 minutes ago, Tomo said:

The thing that's struck me the most through this is the internalized hatred in football, it's not so prevalent here but elsewhere it's intense to say the least.

True I've noticed that as well. The snobbery towards multi millionaires that are from working class back grounds seems to come to the fore - like Hancocks jibe at footballers...

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2 hours ago, Tomo said:

The thing that's struck me the most through this is the internalized hatred in football, it's not so prevalent here but elsewhere it's intense to say the least.

But its just daft. No doubt players/clubs are taking pay cuts and doing their part. They shouldn't have to prove it to the world though. Celebs are also rich rich rich but they dont get ranted about.

Though have to say each time a 'plan' article is published over ways to get the season going do think did someone think this through before suggested it or wrote it.

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19 hours ago, 11Drogba said:

 

Economy is bad but I said it a few post back, thanks to the FED we are stabilizing. 

It was a good opportunity to buy stocks. 

The reason we are so good is because of FED being autonomous. However that will not last because the world wants to go to a world government and this will screw up everything. Having an autonomous FED saves us from all the shenanigans of the the left and right. 

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