Strike 7,490 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Time to seriously introspect. Why was the team unable to create any kind of clear chance? I can think of the Mount one early on and that's it. This team fails to penetrate a team set up to defend. Same story vs West Ham Aston Villa Crystal Palace Newcastle Which is why it is always baffling how the team started another home game in such a slow tempo. No urgency to move the ball. No urgency to create openings. Rudiger and Zouma think they are Pirlo all of a sudden and try to pull off ridiculous long balls. The performance last night was Sarriball all over again bigbluewillie and Starman60 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,490 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 13 hours ago, Jason said: I know he's still young and just came back from a long term injury months ago but after taking the club on a ride with his contract situation, I think it's fair to expect him to do a little more than what he has been doing of late. Can't be relying solely on smaller cup games to get the form up, because we don't have those every week! He hasn't been given a run though. Pulisic and Willian have been playing week in and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 15, 2019 Author Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Strike said: This team fails to penetrate a team set up to defend. Same story vs West Ham Aston Villa Crystal Palace Newcastle We were fine against Villa, Palace and Newcastle. We totally bossed the latter two teams, created chances and it was more of a case of being patient. Similar to Villa, it was a 2-1 thrashing especially in the second half. Just didn't convert enough chances. Yesterday's performance was more in line with West Ham and Everton games. Barely created enough opportunities, never mind not playing well. Vesper and Muzchap 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 15, 2019 Author Share Posted December 15, 2019 Just now, Strike said: He hasn't been given a run though. Pulisic and Willian have been playing week in and out. True but on the other hand, Pulisic forced his way into the XI by making an impact as a sub. CHO hasn't done that. How can he give confidence to the manager, fans etc and say 'I deserve to start' if he doesn't put in the performances even as a sub? Moreover, we're in a bad run at the moment and we have not much room, if at all, to be giving the likes of CHO to find form (although there are quite a few out of form right now). OneMoSalah, Vesper and Starman60 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmicway 1,333 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Did n't see the match - only the fluke goal in a small vid. Some things must change in the month of Jan me thinks. We cannot possibly fail to stay in the top four. Muzchap and Vesper 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 15, 2019 Author Share Posted December 15, 2019 Vesper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,490 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Jason said: True but on the other hand, Pulisic forced his way into the XI by making an impact as a sub. CHO hasn't done that. How can he give confidence to the manager, fans etc and say 'I deserve to start' if he doesn't put in the performances even as a sub? Moreover, we're in a bad run at the moment and we have not much room, if at all, to be giving the likes of CHO to find form (although there are quite a few out of form right now). That's true. Would not write CHO off just yet though. We can revisit this in a couple of months Vesper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 15, 2019 Author Share Posted December 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Strike said: That's true. Would not write CHO off just yet though. We can revisit this in a couple of months With 4 games in like 10 days coming up, CHO will get his opportunities but he definitely needs to up his game. Muzchap, Strike, Vesper and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman60 1,343 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Whereas I agree that we need to strengthen massively in January, especially in defence. But realistically we need a solid defensive midfielder who can bully and harass opposing midfielders, and a striker. Tammy is good, but not great. We need a proven striker who can, on his own at times, dig us out when we really need him to. If the team isn't playing well, then Tammy is average. My problem is this. With all the talk of buying in January, who would want to come that would improve the side, and at what cost. We all know that once teams know we are interested in their players the price will inflate massively. And in today's market 150 million(if that's what we do get to spend) is not going to bring in the quality players we need. A central defender = 60-80 million. A striker= another 80 million, and a defensive midfielder around 50 million. That's 210 million. I don't think that in the current climate that Roman will be that generous Muzchap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 I have just finished watching the game, I don't think we played that bad. 1st half, it was so easy. We can get the ball between the line, Rudiger and zouma diagonal ball was excellent I don't like kova for willian , it mean kante is playing the highest midfield. Maybe against a very good team, but not against bournemouth. I want to see CHO come in for Mount and let puli play between the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 I was in Leeds and keeping an eye on the score and knew the longer it went exactly what was going to happen. The fact he dropped Kovacic he deserves everything he gets Frank, what a fucking joke. OneMoSalah and bigbluewillie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,186 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 23 minutes ago, Starman60 said: Whereas I agree that we need to strengthen massively in January, especially in defence. But realistically we need a solid defensive midfielder who can bully and harass opposing midfielders, and a striker. Tammy is good, but not great. We need a proven striker who can, on his own at times, dig us out when we really need him to. If the team isn't playing well, then Tammy is average. My problem is this. With all the talk of buying in January, who would want to come that would improve the side, and at what cost. We all know that once teams know we are interested in their players the price will inflate massively. And in today's market 150 million(if that's what we do get to spend) is not going to bring in the quality players we need. A central defender = 60-80 million. A striker= another 80 million, and a defensive midfielder around 50 million. That's 210 million. I don't think that in the current climate that Roman will be that generous pound is surging versus the euro Striker (Werner RC is only £25m, Håland RC only £16.7m) DMF Thomas Partey (Atletico Madrid) is an absolute steal at a RC of only £41.7m, he has been AM's best player so far this year, or close to it LB (as Chilwell is not going to be sold in January) Alex Telles (who is playing all world atm) RC is only £33.3m, cover most of it by selling Alonso to Inter for around £25m WC CB/Zouma replacement (NOT Ake, he is not WC and he is injured atm as well) the only one we would have a shot at in January is Romagnoli, you are correct on your cost there I wager he will cost £75m to £85m (90m euros to 101m euros) CB AC upgrade Ake £40m sell Zouma in summer to cover it Winger Sancho is not coning here, shitty (who hold a right of first refusal and now starting to get involved (they will block Manure I think) so I unfortunately think we are going to end up with Zaha, and hopefully can work out a player plus cash deal where we only drop £40m to £50m MAX and finally, also, in the summer, buy Chillwell and sell Emerson to Juve, That should be around £50-55m net spend total net cash spend for all 7 (all cannot be done in January unfortunately) £232m to £257m which is certainly within our next two window budget and massively upgrades the team, and still leaves over £200m plus in net transfer fee profits from all the sales over the past multiple windows on a rolling spreadsheet basis once all the dregs are sold off Starman60 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 15, 2019 Author Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Special Juan said: I was in Leeds and keeping an eye on the score and knew the longer it went exactly what was going to happen. The fact he dropped Kovacic he deserves everything he gets Frank, what a fucking joke. If we need Kovacic to beat an out of form, injury hit team and at home, then we're more fucked than we thought. bigbluewillie and Muzchap 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 If we need Kovacic to beat an out of form, injury hit team and at home, then we're more fucked than we thought. He is our only creative guy against Defensive sides. We used to have this Problem back then pre Cesc era. You need to create Chances and only Kova can do that for us. Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 15, 2019 Author Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 minute ago, killer1257 said: He is our only creative guy against Defensive sides. We used to have this Problem back then pre Cesc era. You need to create Chances and only Kova can do that for us. Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk We have won games without him before and while Kovacic has been good, he is no Messi/Ronaldo-esque player. If we can't find a way to make things work when somebody like him doesn't play, then like I said, we're more fucked than we thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 We have won games without him before and while Kovacic has been good, he is no Messi/Ronaldo-esque player. If we can't find a way to make things work when somebody like him doesn't play, then like I said, we're more fucked than we thought. Nothing new to me. When Hazard in past years could not perform, we looked clueless most of the time and could not create many Chances. Having Cesc helped back then. Whenever Cesc was in a bad form, no creativity. This season, Barcelona looks clueless when Messi is injured or has a average game. Also Bayern without Lewa looks average.Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 LOL I love listening to this Chels fan go amok.....has good pts too here and there. We really are robin hood since the break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 15, 2019 Author Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Atomiswave said: LOL I love listening to this Chels fan go amok.....has good pts too here and there. We really are robin hood since the break. OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE! NOT THAT GUY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Just now, Jason said: OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE! NOT THAT GUY! You must admit its good fun though.......he goes beserk. He is very passionate I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy Doonican 4,186 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, Atomiswave said: LOL I love listening to this Chels fan go amok.....has good pts too here and there. We really are robin hood since the break. He looks like the version of Michael Jackson on Bo Selecta. Atomiswave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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