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Eduardo Camavinga  (Hybrid CMF)
Declan Rice (Hybrid CB)
Jude Bellingham  (Hybrid CMF)
Boubacar Kamara  (Hybrid CB)
Bruno Guimarães (Hybrid CMF)
Aurélien Tchouaméni (Hybrid CMF)
Ryan Gravenberch (Hybrid CMF)
Ismaël Bennacer (Hybrid CMF)
Weston McKennie  (Hybrid CMF)
Boubakary Soumaré  (Hybrid CMF)
Manuel Locatelli (Hybrid CMF)     
Kalvin Phillips  (Hybrid CMF) 
Fausto Vera    (Atlética Argentinos Juniors) (Hybrid CMF)

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Just now, Jas said:

Says who exactly? Why does position even matter? Would you have complained had we spent £75 million on Van Dijk - not a defensive midfielder but a defensive player nonetheless - a few years ago?

I'd argue that we desperately also need a new defensive midfielder considering (a) Kante isn't getting any younger and is picking up injuries here and there and (b) no one else in the midfield area has any defensive bones in them. It says a lot that most of us, if not everyone, feels panicky whenever Kante isn't playing.

I agree that spending 80-90 million, flat out cash, for Rice is OTT but if we can throw Abraham in and lower the fee to about 40-50 million, then I don't see what's bad about the deal at all. We instantly get a known/proven player in the league and let go an unwanted player without having to scramble around looking for takers elsewhere. 

That is why there are talks of throwing Abraham into the mix to lower the fee...

Except it does matter? an attacker be it Striker, Winger, and Attacking Midfielder always been more valuable than any other position in the history of football. They scores goals and likely could impact the matches result than a DM. The history also proved this, if you look the top 10 most expensive signings are mostly dominated by an attacker. That how most of the clubs valued them. Now if someone likes Haaland, Lukaku, and Sancho are available for €100m - €150m, do you really think we would blew €90m for a DM who isn't even world class? The answer is likely no chance. 

At that time paying £75m for Van Dijk was insane as he wasn't world class at Southampton, no one could predict he would became a world class later at Liverpool. I also still remember the negative reactions of our fans when Napoli demanded £60m for Koulibaly, who was already world class back then.

As for using Abraham + £40m - £50m is still too much and there also no guarantee West Ham would accept that deal.

 

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6 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

Except it does matter? an attacker be it Striker, Winger, and Attacking Midfielder always been more valuable than any other position in the history of football. They scores goals and likely could impact the matches result than a DM. The history also proved this, if you look the top 10 most expensive signings are mostly dominated by an attacker. That how most of the clubs valued them. Now if someone likes Haaland, Lukaku, and Sancho are available for €100m - €150m, do you really think we would blew €90m for a DM who isn't even world class? The answer is likely no chance. 

Attackers win games but defenders win leagues. Attackers are important but we should also know better than most that having a strong defenders can be extremely valuable to the team. So much of our success over the last 15 years or so have been underpinned by a strong defence.

6 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

At that time paying £75m for Van Dijk was insane as he wasn't world class at Southampton, no one could predict he would became a world class later at Liverpool.

If the homework has been done properly and you believe the player will come good, then you pay big money for that player. The best players or potential to be among the best players will always cost a lot. Is that not what everyone said when we bought Havertz last summer for £70 million+ despite not being a finished article yet? City bought Ruben Dias for only a few million cheaper than Van Dijk - around £68 million or so - and he has become one of the best defenders in the league and has just won the FWA Player of the Year last week. He's also the first defender to win that award in more than 30 years.

7 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

As for using Abraham + £40m - £50m is still too much

Why do people always talk as if they are the ones who have to spend the money and not the club?

7 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

there also no guarantee West Ham would accept that deal.

Whether West Ham will accept the deal or not is not the point. The point is, if we can use Abraham to lower the fee for a deal, then we should explore at the possibility of doing it. 

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35 minutes ago, Jas said:

Attackers win games but defenders win leagues. Attackers are important but we should also know better than most that having a strong defenders can be extremely valuable to the team. So much of our success over the last 15 years or so have been underpinned by a strong defence.

If the homework has been done properly and you believe the player will come good, then you pay big money for that player. The best players or potential to be among the best players will always cost a lot. Is that not what everyone said when we bought Havertz last summer for £70 million+ despite not being a finished article yet? City bought Ruben Dias for only a few million cheaper than Van Dijk - around £68 million or so - and he has become one of the best defenders in the league and has just won the FWA Player of the Year last week. He's also the first defender to win that award in more than 30 years.

Why do people always talk as if they are the ones who have to spend the money and not the club?

Whether West Ham will accept the deal or not is not the point. The point is, if we can use Abraham to lower the fee for a deal, then we should explore at the possibility of doing it. 

The major concern is because it could affect the signings of other positions?. It's not like we have an unlimited budget and now with this current Covid, our transfer budget could be smaller than last summer. The new striker like Lukaku at minimum would cost €100m, and we still need other positions like Backup LB, CB, and DM for example.

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Just now, MoroccanBlue said:

Getting both Rice and Tchouaméni sounding pretty good about now. 

Keep Kovacic and Kante. Bin Jorginho and loan Gilmour. 

Whats the point of signing so many DMs.

Also is Tchouameni the same player Fabregas was praising a few months ago? He said something about his passes being incredible or something.

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4 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

Whats the point of signing so many DMs.

Also is Tchouameni the same player Fabregas was praising a few months ago? He said something about his passes being incredible or something.

Because we don't have one? 

Tchouameni is a pure DM and Declan Rice at least has more versatility compared to our CMs

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So now we know we're in the Champions League next season, what do people realistically think our transfer business will be like this summer.

I think the two absolute musts are a midfielder and an attacker.

We need someone who doesn't leave us looking so vulnerable when Kante is out. I'd have no problem with us making a move for Declan Rice, although I think my favoured option would be Bellingham. I think he'll stay at Dortmund though for at least a season so perhaps someone like Rice could be targeted this summer and Bellingham in a year or two as Kante starts to potentially decline. I think another physical, mobile presence in midfield allows us to potentially revert back to a back 4 and thereby playing an extra attacking player which may help with some of our struggles.

I think Tammy and Giroud are definitely going to leave. Whether we target an out and out striker or another attacking player to play the system I guess will be up to Tuchel. Players like Sancho being bandied around could be very good options, as I do feel with the year experience under his belt that Havertz could play the role of a false 9 longer term. However another option which I think should be considered is Calvert-Lewin. I think his all round game is very strong, and Everton have had a pretty poor season overall, so he may look at a bigger club as a real opportunity to progress. Perhaps Tammy and cash to test the waters?

I think the third target depends on Tuchel's plans. If we remain with a back 3 then in my opinion we need a top rampaging right wing back who can add an extra layer to our attack. I think Chilwell is fine on the left and I do think he's been very good in the back end of this season as he's become more accustomed to wing back. Reece James I think could long term take the role of the right sided centre back in the three then. If we instead went to a back 4 then I would look at potentially a centre back alongside Rudiger, Christensen and Silva, with James and Chilwell as first choice full backs.

 

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Funny it's second or third season when we all know a striker is needed, but there just isn't one in existence on the market who would be 100% convincing. Yeah, maybe there is Haaland, but still he's young, unproven and Raiola-ridden, with huge pricetag and huge pressure.
Then-favoured Icardi has proven himself not too reliable and Martinez is hardly Costa. Maybe he is a best option, but Werner also looked like one not so long ago.

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Irrespective if we pull off a miracle and win the CL,

Kova, jorginho need to be sold. The only time they look good is when kante is on the pitch. Together they are shambles. Rice is a must. 

Other than that, I would honestly cut our losses with Werner and get any half decent FWD. 

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I know it's a forum but it's also kinda funny that some people come here and scream "bin this player, bin that player" when it's not going to happen.

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En 12/5/2021 a las 14:55, MoroccanBlue dijo:

If there is any truth to that rumor, Marquinhos should be our #1 target. 

Yes signing Marquinhos would be great in terms of his ability but this is also the player Tuchel played as a DMF a lot.... would like to sign Verratti if possible but I doubt it will come off.

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For me

GK if Kepa leaves one of the three 1: Rajković, 2. Areola, 3: Fabiański a good competition goalkeeper

CB: Tomori replacing Zouma

LWB/LB Emerson and Alonso out Gosens in

CM: do everything possible to sign Rice if you just can’t get him sign Tchouameni

ST: Haaland is probably not moving this summer and I have as much chance as playing for Chelsea as Harry Kane does and I am in a wheelchair. So doing everything to bring Lukaku home.

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On our striker search, according to the latest on The Athletic...

https://theathletic.com/2607717/2021/05/24/Chelsea-secure-champions-league-top-four-without-prolific-striker-imagine-with-one/

- Any hopes of getting Haaland are now gone after Dortmund qualified for the Champions League. Dortmund weren't keen on selling him before, definitely have no intention of doing so now

- Lukaku not pushing to leave Inter and he loves playing for Conte but that could change if Conte leaves the club

- Man City favorites to sign Kane and Levy doesn't want to do business with us

- Aguero going to Barcelona

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I read that Atletico didn't pay yet the full transfer fee for Felix and they might be forced to sell him this summer, City are linked to him, wish we'd try to go for him, he is class but playing in a dirty medieval team with medieval tactics. Think he would flourish under Tuchel.

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5 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

I read that Atletico didn't pay yet the full transfer fee for Felix and they might be forced to sell him this summer, City are linked to him, wish we'd try to go for him, he is class but playing in a dirty medieval team with medieval tactics. Think he would flourish under Tuchel.

Another second striker type, just unnecessary signing. 

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1 hour ago, Jas said:

 

Is Weigl in the mould of Jorginho? For me that's fine if Jorginho was looking to leave but we need an alternative in midfield that is stronger defensively.

My biggest worry with him is why did Dortmund let him go relatively cheap and with the greatest respect to them, why didn't a stronger team than benfica come in for him?

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