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4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Olivier Giroud 'might refuse to turn up to Chelsea training on Friday as he struggles to force a move away from Stamford Bridge' with Lazio and Inter Milan circling the striker 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7950035/Olivier-Giroud-refuse-Chelsea-training-Friday-struggles-away.html

He'll go massively down in my estimations if he does that. I don't like this idea that players think they can just go AWOL and/or act up to force a club's hand.

I understand his frustration but I didn't hear him complaining when he was signing an extension to his contract last summer on big money.

This sort of behaviour is the exact reason why Hazard left with the fan's blessing and will be forever loved around these parts, whilst Courtois tarnished any sort of legacy he may have built here and will be firmly reminded of that by Chelsea fans if we ever cross paths.

Let's hope Oli has a bit more professionalism not to stoop down to this level.

 

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17 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

He'll go massively down in my estimations if he does that. I don't like this idea that players think they can just go AWOL and/or act up to force a club's hand.

I understand his frustration but I didn't hear him complaining when he was signing an extension to his contract last summer on big money.

This sort of behaviour is the exact reason why Hazard left with the fan's blessing and will be forever loved around these parts, whilst Courtois tarnished any sort of legacy he may have built here and will be firmly reminded of that by Chelsea fans if we ever cross paths.

Let's hope Oli has a bit more professionalism not to stoop down to this level.

 

He didn't sign an extension last summer, we had another year option which we took, he had no way to refuse it. Lampard has treated him like shit because of his vendetta with Deschamps.

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19 minutes ago, Nicco said:

He didn't sign an extension last summer, we had another year option which we took, he had no way to refuse it. Lampard has treated him like shit because of his vendetta with Deschamps.

Fair enough but the point still stands regarding respecting a contract. If a player wants to dig his heels in and stay at a club there isn't a great deal a club can do to force him out so it should never work the other way. I think it's highly disrespectful and often seems to be the "go-to" option when they can't get their own way.

I've mentioned before that since teams have started sitting deep against us and forcing us out wide and into crossing positions more regularly that Giroud would be a better plan B than Batshuayi, but I highly doubt Lampard would sideline him purely because of a 'vendetta' against Deschamps. The way we were playing in the first part of the season in my opinion was a blueprint for how Lampard wants this team to evolve and it was pretty clear then that Giroud would struggle for a role in this team.

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5 minutes ago, communicate said:

What is our blueprint? 

With regards to offensively, the energy and intensity he wants our attacking players to play with. The ability to press hard and high up the pitch to win the ball back, and players capable of running in behind defences.

Certainly not to the degree that was on show against United and Leicester where players tired after an hour and the lack of cohesion in our pressing was evident, but I think during the run of wins we had, this football was very much on show and I don't see how Giroud would have fitted into that personally.

I do think there should be a role for him right now because Batshuayi offers nothing as a backup and Giroud can at least offer a nuisance and aerial threat now that much of our game is being forced out wide where we're clearly not as strong.

But even then it would only be a short term option. I think if Lampard was to have someone in the squad better aerially than Tammy (which shouldn't really be a question given Tammy's size but he still has a lot of developing to do in this part of his game) he'd still want them to be a far more mobile striker than Giroud is.

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4 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

This sort of behaviour is the exact reason why Hazard left with the fan's blessing and will be forever loved around these parts, whilst Courtois tarnished any sort of legacy he may have built here and will be firmly reminded of that by Chelsea fans if we ever cross paths.

Let's hope Oli has a bit more professionalism not to stoop down to this level.

 

Nah, you can’t compare Hazard’s situation. Because we’ll never know. Unlike Giroud (so far) and Courtois, we let Hazard decide and he wanted to go. What if the board wanted him to stay into the final year?

(This is why Hazard got no blessing from me)

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18 minutes ago, Mana said:

Nah, you can’t compare Hazard’s situation. Because we’ll never know. Unlike Giroud (so far) and Courtois, we let Hazard decide and he wanted to go. What if the board wanted him to stay into the final year?

(This is why Hazard got no blessing from me)

Of course you can compare Hazard's situation because he wanted to leave the summer before (after the World Cup), he's admitted to that and the club wouldn't budge.

So instead of complaining he knuckled down and was the biggest contributor to us getting into the top 4 last season. Nobody can point the finger at him downing tools last season like somebody like Eriksen has done this season for Spurs knowing he's be on his way out and he certainly didn't pull any threats like Courtois did with regards to refusing to train or play.

The club asked for one more year from Hazard and then managed to negotiate a pretty damn good deal for a player with only one year's contract left. We asked the same of Courtois to stay the last season of his contract and then leave and he wouldn't. Possibly in the same way we may ask Giroud to see out these next 6 months...

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L'equipe's article was along the lines of right now giroud exit is blocked because we have not signed a replacement.  Mertens is dead in the water, even Fabrizio Romano said no.

 

Cavani he is my number 1 but i dont see it.  If it was me though, i'd do the deal.  offer 20m euros plus bonuses (or Giroud)

So we either move on or Giroud has to stay.   

 

Even though i think it just wont happen and said so a few posts back, our board sometimes likes the cheap and cheerful route - so dont be surprised if its fucking Slimani on loan

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8 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Of course you can compare Hazard's situation because he wanted to leave the summer before (after the World Cup), he's admitted to that and the club wouldn't budge.

He had two years left in his contract. We held all the cards. Courtois wanted to leave for ages before he entered his last year. We held all the cards so he couldn't force himself out (although you can say he pretty much downed tools a bit on his last season with us). I mean they "could", but they will have to prepare of not playing football for up to a year.

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Also I looked back a couple of pages and again with people saying "I'd rather risk not get any player in this window that is crap like Drinkwater!" among these lines.

On paper, that sounds awesome. If it was just the paper, I would be backing your statements. But it's not. It's a "banging my head on the table" and funny at the same time. Why?

 

1) Banging head - Let me remind you, this squad is currently NOT good enough for top 4. Especially now that Abraham could be on the verge of getting a long injury. Who's going to score the goals for us? Willian? Bats? Giroud? Do you really want this top 4 to go from our hands?

2) Banging head - You are letting the board off the fecking hook again with this excuse. Poor scouting, poor planning. But if they bring someone in, even if it's just to get ourselves over the line for top 4, at least you can say they tried.

3) Banging head - "What's the point of Giroud <> Slimani/Cavani/whatever?" Well, for starters, maybe Lampard sees something with those players? And maybe we will see them have more appearances than what Giroud is getting, hence giving Abraham more rest? I'd rather have them play than Bats that's for sure.

4) Banging head - WHO is to say we will smash it in the summer? There is NO God given right that we will do it. We need a LB (urgently), RW, a better CB and backup CF & RB. You trust the board to get these done next summer without signing any duds? (which leads me to the last point)

5) Funny - You guys keep on mentioning Drinkwater, which it's mind-boggling because we signed him in the summer. He was a SUMMER signing, not a January one. So you are not helping your case bringing his name up.

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49 minutes ago, ChelseaFanUK said:

L'equipe's article was along the lines of right now giroud exit is blocked because we have not signed a replacement.  Mertens is dead in the water, even Fabrizio Romano said no.

 

Cavani he is my number 1 but i dont see it.  If it was me though, i'd do the deal.  offer 20m euros plus bonuses (or Giroud)

So we either move on or Giroud has to stay.   

 

Even though i think it just wont happen and said so a few posts back, our board sometimes likes the cheap and cheerful route - so dont be surprised if its fucking Slimani on loan

Zero chance (good thing) on Slimani. His entourage is a nightmare and Leicester would never loan him to us anyway.

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6 hours ago, Nicco said:

Poor guy, got a single chance to impress, took it like a champ only to never be seen again, Lampard is fair with his players as much as Mason deserved to start this season.

The situation with Lamptey is a funny one. If he hadn't been used in that Arsenal game, would people even bother with him deciding to leave? 

From Lamptey's perspective, he probably knows he won't get ahead of James in the pecking order and he doesn't want to play second fiddle in the long run. It's also probably good he goes elsewhere because you know, he won't have to take shit from people when he suffers a dip in form...

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9 hours ago, Vesper said:

Cavani is not dross. We also did not do jack fucking shit at LB.

We miss out on CL and the all-round fallout will pale in comparison to what coughing up an extra 5m or so on Cavani to ram it through would have cost.

The lack of movement at LB is goddamn CRIMINAL given the great options out there NOW, in January, and the in-demand status for the two plonkers we have now.

So sick of excuses made by some for this thoroughly cuntish SIBNEFT mafia board. The club (other than commercially and then the mercenary loan programme) is run for shit. If we had not gotten lucky with the academy, the future qould be truly dire, it is utter delusion to think otherwise. Hundreds of millions shit away in a myriad number of ways, plus, surely no new stadium, as the permits soon expire.

Yes but the Cavani deal was way too complicated and as good as he is, was it worth it though? AS newspapers had an article on why the Atletico Madrid deal failed - the fee was 18M and his salary was 30M over the next two and a half years. That is 12M per year. Still his agents wanted a piece of that, too and their huge demands made Atletico back off from the deal. 

Good player but these numbers are way too much for a 33 yo centre forward. I mean that is Lewandowski in his prime type of salary. 

It is not like Chelsea is a January deal or two away from winning the UCL this season, all it is left now is a top 4 finish and signings or not, the chances are good as United are dog turd and there is a six pointer coming soon v a Kane less Spurs. As a matter of fact the next two matches at home are probably going to define this season, win those and top 4 should pretty much in the bag. 

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49 minutes ago, Mana said:

Also I looked back a couple of pages and again with people saying "I'd rather risk not get any player in this window that is crap like Drinkwater!" among these lines.

On paper, that sounds awesome. If it was just the paper, I would be backing your statements. But it's not. It's a "banging my head on the table" and funny at the same time. Why?

 

1) Banging head - Let me remind you, this squad is currently NOT good enough for top 4. Especially now that Abraham could be on the verge of getting a long injury. Who's going to score the goals for us? Willian? Bats? Giroud? Do you really want this top 4 to go from our hands?

2) Banging head - You are letting the board off the fecking hook again with this excuse. Poor scouting, poor planning. But if they bring someone in, even if it's just to get ourselves over the line for top 4, at least you can say they tried.

3) Banging head - "What's the point of Giroud <> Slimani/Cavani/whatever?" Well, for starters, maybe Lampard sees something with those players? And maybe we will see them have more appearances than what Giroud is getting, hence giving Abraham more rest? I'd rather have them play than Bats that's for sure.

4) Banging head - WHO is to say we will smash it in the summer? There is NO God given right that we will do it. We need a LB (urgently), RW, a better CB and backup CF & RB. You trust the board to get these done next summer without signing any duds? (which leads me to the last point)

5) Funny - You guys keep on mentioning Drinkwater, which it's mind-boggling because we signed him in the summer. He was a SUMMER signing, not a January one. So you are not helping your case bringing his name up.

I am comfortable with doing nothing. I know top 4 looks like a fight but I'd not risk signing another player that we'll have to flog later. Of all the deals done in this window, only a few like Olmo, Haaland and Minamino look appealing. 

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