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None of us 'want' Frank to be sacked, we just understand that from a perspective of looking at Lampard the manager in black and white... he is too inexperienced for the job and its beyond him, IMO.   We all want him to succeed, because he is Frank Lampard, the club legend

But you have to forget about that when judging him and deciding if he should stay on.  Is Frank Lampard a potential premier league winning manager? Not for me.   Does his squad, ideally, need a more seasoned and experienced manager? Id say yes.  I'd also say Jody Morris does fuck all and should be replaced, too - even if Frank stays

 

IF Frank goes and i still hope he doesnt, i have to be honest...... it'll be Tuchel IMO

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I can't actually believe how well coached we are. Puts it in further perspective when you see the garbage United and Arsenal are spewing. I love the fact Frank isn't so stubborn to try and do it

Very confused, can only assume the ones being somewhat negative did not watch the game? Aside from Dave and Zouma, I thought we played really well against the European Champions. I was shocked at time

Our pressing game was superb, and made all the difference today! 4-3-3 with Mount and Havertz to harass opponents and Kante to sweep up behind...that's the way to go. And we have two bombing

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This debate is an interesting perspective of what happened in the match.

Do the experienced players take charge and decide that things are not working and call teamates to come back and sit deep. Or is it the managers fault for not saying anything or making any tactical changes when his team is being battered for 20 mins straight?

 

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9 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

This debate is an interesting perspective of what happened in the match.

Do the experienced players take charge and decide that things are not working and call teamates to come back and sit deep. Or is it the managers fault for not saying anything or making any tactical changes when his team is being battered for 20 mins straight?

 

Both but I would place greater emphasis on the manager to lead the way. I don't think you will see managers like Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho etc just stand on the touchline with the arms crossed and look passive and quiet when things are going horribly wrong on the pitch. Said it before that I don't think Lampard will be a manager who screams and shouts on the touchline BUT since he's always saying that this team is young, inexperienced etc, he needs to come out of his shell a bit more and help provide leadership and guidance. I don't know if he's expecting the players to solve problems on the field like he, Terry, Drogba etc used to do but it's clear that the current players are not capable of that (yet maybe). He - and even his coaching staff like Morris - needs to do more from the touchline to help the team. He can't keep on doing nothing and then turn around and blame them after a bad result. 

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48 minutes ago, DDA said:

Brendon Rogers would be a fantastic shout in my opinion. He is a very good manager. I wanted him instead of Frank in the first place. 

I thought you wanted Stevie "fucking G:blink:

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5 minutes ago, bigbluewillie said:

I thought you wanted Stevie "fucking G:blink:

Gerrard could run out onto the field and tackle our (ie. his own team, Chels) first breakaway counter at Afield for closure.

true justice would be he slips again

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3 hours ago, ChelseaFanUK said:

None of us 'want' Frank to be sacked, we just understand that from a perspective of looking at Lampard the manager in black and white... he is too inexperienced for the job and its beyond him, IMO.   We all want him to succeed, because he is Frank Lampard, the club legend

But you have to forget about that when judging him and deciding if he should stay on.  Is Frank Lampard a potential premier league winning manager? Not for me.   Does his squad, ideally, need a more seasoned and experienced manager? Id say yes.  I'd also say Jody Morris does fuck all and should be replaced, too - even if Frank stays

Is it too much to ask of Lampard to get an experienced assistant manager in to help him? It's bad enough that he is young and inexperienced at the highest level but his entire coaching staff are also young and inexperienced at the highest level. And given we also have a young and part-inexperienced team, it's a case of the blind leading the blind. It's a recipe for disaster. 

It's not the same but not too dissimilar either when managers like Ancelotti, Mourinho, Conte - despite their experience - all at least had an assistant who knows about English football - Ray Wilkins, Steve Clarke, Steve Holland - to help them. Obviously, Lampard knows English football but it would be nice that he does the reverse situation here and get an experienced assistant to help him, someone to fall back on for advice when the going gets tough, for him to utilize those years of experience. Even Solskjaer has someone like Mike Phelan, who has done and seen it all with Sir Alex Ferguson, as one of his assistants. 

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19 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

 

So, the club are willing to take the risks? Okay...

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3 minutes ago, Jason said:

So, the club are willing to take the risks? Okay...

To be honest, aside from the initial athletic report last night, it seems to have calmed down a bit again. 

The pressure has definitely gone up several notches and more questions are being asked throughout the media whether he's right for the job, but there doesn't seem enough there at present to suggest a change is imminent.

 

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3 minutes ago, Jason said:

So, the club are willing to take the risks? Okay...

"Lampard faces a fight to convince Chelsea that he can lead the club towards future glory". 

I would give anything to be a fly on the wall to hear his convincing argument to our board. Liverpool, United, Spurs, Leicester and Man City are all on course to finish higher than 70 points. We are on course to finish well below that and there are virtually no signs of progression given the one dimensional play we continue to see day in and day out. 

Hopefully the board are smarter than this. 

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"Lampard faces a fight to convince Chelsea that he can lead the club towards future glory". 
I would give anything to be a fly on the wall to hear his convincing argument to our board. Liverpool, United, Spurs, Leicester and Man City are all on course to finish higher than 70 points. We are on course to finish well below that and there are virtually no signs of progression given the one dimensional play we continue to see day in and day out. 
Hopefully the board are smarter than this. 
Nizaar Kinsella just said that he won't be sacked immediately but he'll be given another chance. The board are fucking idiots.

We're going to win against Morecambe and Fulham, after that we'll lose points again and we'll be in the same position. If we sack him now the new manager atleast has some time to get ready for the Premier League match.
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No, he doesn't. He just stands on the touchline, hands crossed and looks passive and quiet. And god knows what even Jody Morris is doing as well. 
As long as Anthony Barry stays im happy

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Yeah, in our minds he is already gone. I am sure players feel the same way. It is going to be hard for them to get motivated to play for him again imo.

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Yeah, in our minds he is already gone. I am sure players feel the same way. It is going to be hard for them to get motivated to play for him again imo.
It's a waste of time and energy to talk about him leaving to be honest. The board clearly can't look at things objectively, and see his actual flaws as a manager.

The only reason he got the job is because of his status and that's also the only reason on why he'll keep it for now. That's why I've actually given up talking about him being sacked until he actually does.
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There were worrying signs from the day one. Remember his first week here? 4:0 trashing at OT and Super Cup where he did some irrational decisions like putting Tammy to shot 5th penalty ahead of Azpi and Pedro.

He did not learn and did the same thing this season when he put Mount to shot 5th PK against Spurs. This costed us a trophy and a good chance to go for another one. Also remember how we played Fa Cup final? 

Compere that to Sarri two finals.

What are the most positive things about Frank? Top4 last season and youth. But lets see the bigger picture here.

In Roman era apart from first two seasons we would never get top4 with that amount of points. We got lucky with Spurs underperforming and Leicester collapsing.

We can all agree that without Giroud goals from February to July we would finish probably 6th or 7th last season. The same Olie, who was not in the squad from August to February. He saved us and Frank last season. And Michy was ahead of him!

We would now have completely different perspective. Do not forget we had worst defense in like 30 years. And even this season we are on the road to concede more goals than in Sarri season. And back than we had Luiz, Rudiger, Alonso and Kepa as starters. and Jorgi ahead of them.

About youth, for me it was exciting first two months last season. He was the one that dropped Tomori, did not give much chances to CHO who is imo our best product. Mount was way overplayed and this annoyed so many people.

Tammy scored many goals but is not better than Giroud. Fair play to James but we knew he was the real deal even before in Wigan. Sarri also did good job with CHO and RLC, and I am sure would introduce some others if he was here last season. James and Billy for sure.

We can even argue why Ross never started last season two games in a row apart from Liverpool 2:0 and Everton 4:0 wins.

How many times he went with 3 at the back, two games in a row only to fail every single time. He never tried 442 with Werner which is so weird even when we did not had any wingers. Or Ziyech as number 8?

Zouma and Rudi kept clean sheets last season all the time but he just continued with Chris who was shit. So many tactical and lineup mistakes from Frank...

Really not many positives this 18 months... Thanks for everything, especially helping us getting Kai and others but it is time to say goodbye.

 

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3 hours ago, Jason said:

Both but I would place greater emphasis on the manager to lead the way. I don't think you will see managers like Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho etc just stand on the touchline with the arms crossed and look passive and quiet when things are going horribly wrong on the pitch. Said it before that I don't think Lampard will be a manager who screams and shouts on the touchline BUT since he's always saying that this team is young, inexperienced etc, he needs to come out of his shell a bit more and help provide leadership and guidance. I don't know if he's expecting the players to solve problems on the field like he, Terry, Drogba etc used to do but it's clear that the current players are not capable of that (yet maybe). He - and even his coaching staff like Morris - needs to do more from the touchline to help the team. He can't keep on doing nothing and then turn around and blame them after a bad result. 

That's the big question I have about Lampard right now. Is it in his nature to do that? To take charge, rally the troops and get this clearly demotivated set of players to perform again. The City game showed that a lot of players couldn't be bothered to track back and help defend.

IMO, more than any of his strange tactics, this is his biggest challenge at the moment and one that could ultimately cost him his position. 

Last season he got chastized for throwing a fit against the Liverpool staff in our defeat at Anfield. But I actually liked what he did, simply because it was the first time I saw some real fight from him on the touchline. Why cant he direct some of that energy at his own players during a game? 

Also not sure what goes on in training before each game. How can players turn up so uninterested in games against Arsenal or City 

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I remember at Palace's first season back in the PL Ian Holloway held his hands up and said the job was too much for him, maybe Frank should consider doing the same? 

I could take the average results if the football was still good or vice versa but can never accept not both. For the first time since Conte's last few months watching games has felt like a chore and this has come at the worst possible time with lockdown imminent.

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14 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I remember at Palace's first season back in the PL Ian Holloway held his hands up and said the job was too much for him, maybe Frank should consider doing the same? 

I could take the average results if the football was still good or vice versa but can never accept not both. For the first time since Conte's last few months watching games has felt like a chore and this has come at the worst possible time with lockdown imminent.

Knowing Frank, you know that's not going to happen.

And full agree with your sentiment. The football has become awful, and has shades of Contes second season and the worst of Sarriball.

I think what makes it more painful is when you also have a stubborn manager refusing to try anything different and trying the same tactics (apart from swapping a few players for like for like roles).

For someone who was constantly chopping and changing, and switching formations over the majority of this year, Lampard has become strangely reticent to departing from his favored 433 over the past 4 weeks.

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