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3 minutes ago, Jason said:

There's the story from The Athletic yesterday about Lampard being on the brink and then there's this from Matt Law...

It's really amazing the kind of "support" a manager can get when he's English...

Law has a point. Despite the slide, the season is still alive. Lampard can get the next few games to implement changes. Job on the line now. I am very curious who will be on the shortlist of replacements

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I can't actually believe how well coached we are. Puts it in further perspective when you see the garbage United and Arsenal are spewing. I love the fact Frank isn't so stubborn to try and do it

Very confused, can only assume the ones being somewhat negative did not watch the game? Aside from Dave and Zouma, I thought we played really well against the European Champions. I was shocked at time

Our pressing game was superb, and made all the difference today! 4-3-3 with Mount and Havertz to harass opponents and Kante to sweep up behind...that's the way to go. And we have two bombing

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Just now, Blue Armour said:

True, but doesn't mean they won't be keeping an eye out. At least as contingency.

There are candidates out there. It's just whether Roman, Marina, even Cech want to cut Lampard loose now or risk things becoming worse in the coming games. Am sure it's not lost on them that despite being just 3 points behind the Top 4 now, we have played a game more than Spurs and 2 more than City. We could easily be looking at a Europa League finish if things don't change ASAP. 

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10 minutes ago, Strike said:

Law has a point. Despite the slide, the season is still alive. Lampard can get the next few games to implement changes. Job on the line now. I am very curious who will be on the shortlist of replacements

The season still being alive doesn't mean things are going well under Lampard. It's not as if the recent concerns came about because of the bad run. They are the wider concerns and have been there since Lampard took over and the bad run just reinforced them. We can't be 18 months into Lampard's tenure and after spending more than 200 million+ last summer, be worse than last season with no improvement, no identity, no style of play etc. 

The season could be dead if things don't change ASAP and while it's great to qualify for the Champions League knockout stage, I don't get this idea of parading it like it's something to celebrate when it's only the Round of 16 (we're not Arsenal FFS!) and not even quarter finals, semi finals or final. We used to consistently reach the knockout stage 10-15 years ago but we now have someone like Matt Law parading a Round of 16 qualification like it's some sort of success? The standards have really fallen! Based on current form, we'll lose to Atletico and get KOed from the Round of 16 again (so much for my optimism when the draw was made, HA!).

I don't know if Matt Law watches all of our games (he's a Villa fan after all) but fans who watch the team week in week out have a better sense of what's going on. It's like when pundits and journalists thought Willian was great here but he wasn't and it took them until he went to Arsenal to realize it.

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15 minutes ago, Jason said:

There are candidates out there. It's just whether Roman, Marina, even Cech want to cut Lampard loose now or risk things becoming worse in the coming games. Am sure it's not lost on them that despite being just 3 points behind the Top 4 now, we have played a game more than Spurs and 2 more than City. We could easily be looking at a Europa League finish if things don't change ASAP. 

Not sure really. If we're being objective about it, he will have time till Fulham/Leicester to turn it around, but will still be walking a tight rope even if he does. 

I know this administration can be ruthless with managers, but Lampards standing within the club is a little more...unique. 

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Just now, Blue Armour said:

Not sure really. If we're being objective about it, he will have time till Fulham/Leicester to turn it around, but will still be walking a tight rope even if he does. 

Based on current form, we could easily lose to Fulham and Leicester (or draw with Fulham and lose to Leicester) and be even further behind the Top 4. Then what? Would that be too late to salvage the league season? We really shouldn't be in this position at all, not after spending the money that we have. 

2 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

I know this administration can be ruthless with managers, but Lampards standing within the club is a little more...unique. 

That's Lampard as a player. We're talking about Lampard the manager here. I know he didn't really want him to begin with but if Roman could sack Di Matteo just months after winning the Champions League and FA Cup, then nothing really can save Lampard if Roman decides to pull the trigger now. Lampard is fortunate to still be in the job when other managers have been sacked for less in the past. 

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Does Frank ever make halftime adjustments? We never switch formation or throw different looks at opposing teams during the break. All I ever see him do is call for the two Wingers to swap sides on occasion, like that's really going to throw them off... 

Tactically he just keeps on coming up short and the players are playing with no confidence. I want to see him do well being a legend of the club, but it doesn't look very promising.

 

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6 minutes ago, Blues11 said:

Does Frank ever make halftime adjustments? We never switch formation or throw different looks at opposing teams during the break. All I ever see him do is call for the two Wingers to swap sides on occasion, like that's really going to throw them off... 

Tactically he just keeps on coming up short and the players are playing with no confidence. I want to see him do well being a legend of the club, but it doesn't look very promising.

No, he doesn't. He just stands on the touchline, hands crossed and looks passive and quiet. And god knows what even Jody Morris is doing as well. 

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2 hours ago, Jason said:

The season still being alive doesn't mean things are going well under Lampard. It's not as if the recent concerns came about because of the bad run. They are the wider concerns and have been there since Lampard took over and the bad run just reinforced them. We can't be 18 months into Lampard's tenure and after spending more than 200 million+ last summer, be worse than last season with no improvement, no identity, no style of play etc. 

The season could be dead if things don't change ASAP and while it's great to qualify for the Champions League knockout stage, I don't get this idea of parading it like it's something to celebrate when it's only the Round of 16 (we're not Arsenal FFS!) and not even quarter finals, semi finals or final. We used to consistently reach the knockout stage 10-15 years ago but we now have someone like Matt Law parading a Round of 16 qualification like it's some sort of success? The standards have really fallen! Based on current form, we'll lose to Atletico and get KOed from the Round of 16 again (so much for my optimism when the draw was made, HA!).

I don't know if Matt Law watches all of our games (he's a Villa fan after all) but fans who watch the team week in week out have a better sense of what's going on. It's like when pundits and journalists thought Willian was great here but he wasn't and it took them until he went to Arsenal to realize it.

I think its more to do with the admission that the club will give Lampard more time to turn this and sack him only when things are completely out of hand

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

I think its more to do with the admission that the club will give Lampard more time to turn this and sack him only when things are completely out of hand

Admission from who? 

Right now, is there any actual evidence or sign to suggest that Lampard will turn things around? Because I think we're at the point where we're just hoping he will turn things around, should he remain, rather than have any actual confidence in him doing so. Either we look to make the change or risk the season going bust by the end of January if we get a few more bad results. 

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15 minutes ago, Jason said:

Admission from who? 

Right now, is there any actual evidence or sign to suggest that Lampard will turn things around? Because I think we're at the point where we're just hoping he will turn things around, should he remain, rather than have any actual confidence in him doing so. Either we look to make the change or risk the season going bust by the end of January if we get a few more bad results. 

Lot of journos saying that as much as people are writing off Lampard, the board will wait before a potential sack. It was only after the city result that the first few pieces about Lampard's job being under threat were out.  Its plausible that they give him till Leicester and then take the call when they have had time to figure out their main managerial target.

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3 minutes ago, Strike said:

Lot of journos saying that as much as people are writing off Lampard, the board will wait before a potential sack. It was only after the city result that the first few pieces about Lampard's job being under threat were out.  Its plausible that they give him till Leicester and then take the call when they have had time to figure out their main managerial target.

But the City result also revealed that they have been thinking of the change for some time now. It hasn't just happened because of that result. The board also seem to share the same concerns that most fans have about Lampard. 

We obviously need wins ASAP but at the same time, we also need to see progression beyond than just results. Let's say if we beat Fulham and Leicester but the performances were unconvincing like in the recent West Ham game, then what? 

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2 hours ago, Tomo said:

One thing that shouldn't get lost in all of this is appointing Frank when we did was the correct decision, with the unique circumstances we faced of losing our game changer with no chance of replacement meant we needed a man who would look at the bigger picture and wouldn't just try and shithouse a top four spot, and as it turned out Lampard achieved that while setting us up long term. Unfortunately it doesn't look like he's going to be the one to take us back to the top himself but make no mistake if/when we get there he'd have played his part.

Last season was a fantastic achievement no matter what way it's spun, people can spill this guff of "we're Chelsea we shouldn't be happy with just top four" and this season I'd agree, but last season that was the ceiling of what our squad was capable of and expecting a squad not capable of doing any better to do better because "we're Chelsea" is the exact same type of delusions of grandeur we use to scold Liverpool fans for having. If our squad do the best that they are capable of then they (and the manager) should be praised for that.

This season however the job looks too big for him, he's almost looking like one of those managers who overachieve when the pressure isn't too high but then cranks when the pressure is raised (the expectations of last season compared to this is a rough equivalent of moving to a medium sized club to huge club). At the start I wasn't convinced by the performance but gave the benefit of the doubt it was the Covid situation causing the strange performances (even Bayern were looking erratic at that point) and the run we went on of wins and clean sheets looked like he finally may have cracked it but let's not get things twisted, since the Krasnador game at home things have been awful. Yes it's easy to say it's only a month but there was worrying signs before then but difference then there was also good signs that gave us hope he'd straighten out and the greenness will disappear and the promising aspects of his management would become more dominant, however unfortunately the total opposite has happened.

This 1000%.

Last season Lampard did a good job under difficult circumstances and has done a lot of ground work in making the squad better in the post-Hazard era. I will always give Lampard a lot of credit for that and still maintain the opinion that he was the right hire at the time but all along I've had my doubts over his long-term future. He was primarily brought in to steady the ship, implement some of the academy youngsters and start the rebuild of a slowly ageing squad filled with players brought by many different managers and different play styles.

No top class manager would have accepted the job in time of a transfer ban with a declining squad and Sarri sure as hell wouldn't have integrated the academy boys into the squad. Sarri also would probably not have gone for the likes of Havertz, Chilwell etc. this summer and instead gotten players who fit his system better, but in case of things still going tits up under Sarri the squad would most likely have been much worse off than it is now under Lampard's rebuild.

If Frank is sacked soon and someone else comes in to save the season, I will always remember fondly the important work Frank did in setting up the team for future success but if he stays long enough for top4 spots to go out of reach and gets knocked out in the CL, his managerial legacy at the club will turn sour really quickly and missing out on the CL spots for next season will again set the team back significantly because the squad can't be strengthened due to the financial losses and some players may even have to be sold to balance the books.

I say get it over with ASAP and let the next manager prepare a couple weeks before the next tough league game (Leicester on January 19th). FA Cup and Fulham should be winnable under pretty much anyone as interim coach.

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Brendan Rodgers – 3/1

Thomas Tuchel – 5/1

Julian Nagelsmann – 6/1

Massimiliano Allegri – 7/1

Rafa Benítez – 10/1

John Terry – 12/1

Nuno Espirito Santo – 14/1

Gareth Southgate – 20/1

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Looking at the tactical performance of Chelsea just annoys me. See how we were destroyed in the middle with city players occupying spaces between the lines. Just pure tactical schooling 

 

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Brendon Rogers would be a fantastic shout in my opinion. He is a very good manager. I wanted him instead of Frank in the first place. 

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Whilst I like Rodgers set up, I’m worried how his Liverpool and Leicester both bottled their positions spectacularly 

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Brendon Rogers would be a fantastic shout in my opinion. He is a very good manager. I wanted him instead of Frank in the first place. 

I think he does not like Chelsea anymore. I think he said that Chelsea is a big club and sacks managers frequently, so the next manager comes in and has a squad with the same problems before and those managers don't have much time to fix it. I think he also said that he will not come to Chelsea because it would destroy his career lol. True.

 

Brendan needs time and trust. Chelsea fans and the board don't give you that

 

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