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16 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

Now maintain that back four. Stop rotating, let them get to know themselves better. 

I like that we are making more tactical fouls when we lose the ball. No need to allow a counter fester when you can stop it early at source immediately. 

Now put Werner back in his position and Pulisic on the left with Havertz in the middle and Odoi on the right and we have a very dynamic team in attack.

Thankfully, Frank said in his post match conference on the 5th stand that he wants a settled back 4. He was looking for it last year but couldn't find it and hopes this is the start of it. Chilwell and Silva bring the balance we needed soo badly. Ontop of which, singing Mendy may have been a masterstroke considering he is French speaking along with Silva and Zouma. 

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I can't actually believe how well coached we are. Puts it in further perspective when you see the garbage United and Arsenal are spewing. I love the fact Frank isn't so stubborn to try and do it

Very confused, can only assume the ones being somewhat negative did not watch the game? Aside from Dave and Zouma, I thought we played really well against the European Champions. I was shocked at time

Our pressing game was superb, and made all the difference today! 4-3-3 with Mount and Havertz to harass opponents and Kante to sweep up behind...that's the way to go. And we have two bombing

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2 minutes ago, DDA said:

Thankfully, Frank said in his post match conference on the 5th stand that he wants a settled back 4. He was looking for it last year but couldn't find it and hopes this is the start of it. Chilwell and Silva bring the balance we needed soo badly. Ontop of which, singing Mendy may have been a masterstroke considering he is French speaking along with Silva and Zouma. 

It would be lovely once he settles on the back 4. Every top team in Europe can name their starting back four instantly. You're right about the Mendy French, didnt think about that. That will only improve the chemistry and understanding.

But I saw on instagram that Thiago silva is also trying hard to learn English too. 

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2 hours ago, Tomo said:

Lampard's predecessor had a track record of building a title challenging side (ok not winning but if he couldn't find a way to get us over the line then at that point we could have replaced him with one that could ala the Ranieri/Mou changeover) and that wasn't enough for the majority of fans to grant him time.

Really, Tomo? Are you gonna pretend like circumstances (e.g. Juventus came calling) didn't lead to Sarri wanting to leave? 

And given what subsequently happened with Sarri at Juventus, are you gonna say we made the wrong decision to let him leave for Juventus? 

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12 minutes ago, Jason said:

Really, Tomo? Are you gonna pretend like circumstances (e.g. Juventus came calling) didn't lead to Sarri wanting to leave? 

And given what subsequently happened with Sarri at Juventus, are you gonna say we made the wrong decision to let him leave for Juventus? 

Point is about the fan perception. Whether we were right or wrong to not give him that time is irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make.

I lose count of the amount of time I hear (paraphrasing) "would be easier to go all in on backing Lampard if we had a blue print from a previous job to suggest it may be worth it".

Sarri had that and 90% of the fanbase wanted him out, that's the point.

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8 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Point is about the fan perception. Whether we were right or wrong to not give him that time is irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make.

I lose count of the amount of time I hear (paraphrasing) "would be easier to go all in on backing Lampard if we had a blue print from a previous job to suggest it may be worth it".

Sarri had that and 90% of the fanbase wanted him out, that's the point.

Even then, let's not pretend like there weren't circumstances - such as his management style - that led to people questioning Sarri during his time here.

And for the record, no one is crazy enough to suggest that Lampard should be sacked right now (something that some fans seem to think so every time there is something negative - even the slightest negative word - said about Lampard) but at the same time, let's not pretend everything has been or is rosy. No one associated to Chelsea wants to see him fail at the job and if he can improve us, get us to where we want to be, then great, all the better. As I said before, all the talking is one thing but ultimately, it'll come down to what Lampard does with the team on the pitch. It'll come down to team progression and results. If those don't happen, then we know how this will all end up.

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11 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

Nah Azpi is better, James just can't defend properly.

One is better offensively while the other is better defensively. Can we find a way to merge them both?

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1 minute ago, Jason said:

One is better offensively while the other is better defensively. Can we find a way to merge them both?

Need to find a competent coach first, otherwise just buy a new RB who is good on both offensively and defensively. 

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11 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

I'm happy with Anthony Barrys introduction, i can see signs of our improvements in defending. Tactical fouls to prevent counters, set piece defending, etc. 

The only thing is that the improved defense has come to the detriment of our attack, which looks stale compared to the beginning of last season. But once Pulisic and Ziyech come back and play a few games together with Havertz, I know the attacking fluidity will instantly improve because lampards system in attack largely depends on the quality of players and their form on the day. Its not a practiced system like Leeds who Bielsa grills to play a certain pattern no matter who is in the lineup. 

An improvement in using tactical fouling is hardly something you can solely accredit to Anthony Barry.

Its the players being a bit more cynical and realising that its stop it here or concede a chance more or less. I think Frank has maybe said it to them. I mean that Spurs documentary on amazon showed the situation at Spurs, they were too nice according to Jose and not horrible when they had to be. City do it, Liverpool do it, we've done it in past title winning teams, United have almost certainly done it with Ferguson.

Maybe he’s highlighted we were caught on transitions too much last season but a blind man could see that if I am honest, I mean when you have both fullbacks and 3 attacking midfield players pushed up as well as a CF almost all the time that tends to happen. Plus if Frank and Jody couldn’t see that we were caught out on transitions and they needed this guy to show them then I really would be surprised and shocked as it was a major downfall to our season. 

He is known for a lot of work on set piece analysis, maybe we will see an improvement over the course of the season, too early to say we have improved that already IMO. I am hopeful that will change because two of our biggest weaknesses last season was defending set plays and transitions.

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11 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

I'm happy with Anthony Barrys introduction, i can see signs of our improvements in defending. Tactical fouls to prevent counters, set piece defending, etc. 

The only thing is that the improved defense has come to the detriment of our attack, which looks stale compared to the beginning of last season. But once Pulisic and Ziyech come back and play a few games together with Havertz, I know the attacking fluidity will instantly improve because lampards system in attack largely depends on the quality of players and their form on the day. Its not a practiced system like Leeds who Bielsa grills to play a certain pattern no matter who is in the lineup. 

An improvement in using tactical fouling is hardly something you can solely accredit to Anthony Barry.

Its the players being a bit more cynical and realising that its stop it here or concede a chance more or less. I think Frank has maybe said it to them. I mean that Spurs documentary on amazon showed the situation at Spurs, they were too nice according to Jose and not horrible when they had to be. City do it, Liverpool do it, we've done it in past title winning teams, United have almost certainly done it with Ferguson.

Maybe he’s highlighted we were caught on transitions too much last season but a blind man could see that if I am honest, I mean when you have both fullbacks and 3 attacking midfield players pushed up as well as a CF almost all the time that tends to happen. Plus if Frank and Jody couldn’t see that we were caught out on transitions and they needed this guy to show them then I really would be surprised and shocked as it was a major downfall to our season. 

He is known for a lot of work on set piece analysis, maybe we will see an improvement over the course of the season, too early to say we have improved that already IMO. I am hopeful that will change because two of our biggest weaknesses last season was defending set plays and transitions.

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6 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

Nah Azpi is better, James just can't defend properly.

I agree. It is all about the balance.

Front 4 of Kai, Hakim, Timo and Puli plus Ben should be more than enough offensively.

And it is not like Azpi is not solid in attack. He gave us 30 assists in the last 4 seasons. 7.5 per season.

And Reece is still suspect in defence.

So this season it should be like last season. Azpi playing 2/3 of games. Reece the rest.

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2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

An improvement in using tactical fouling is hardly you can solely accredit to Anthony Barry.

Its the players being a bit more cynical and realising that its stop it here or concede a chance more or less. I think Frank has maybe said it to them. I mean that Spurs documentary on amazon showed the situation at Spurs, they were too nice according to Jose and not horrible when they had to be. City do it, Liverpool do it, we've done it in past title winning teams, United have almost certainly done it with Ferguson.

Maybe he’s highlighted we were caught on transitions too much last season but a blind man could see that if I am honest, I mean when you have both fullbacks and 3 attacking midfield players pushed up as well as a CF almost all the time that tends to happen. Plus if Frank and Jody couldn’t see that we were caught out on transitions and they needed this guy to show them then I really would be surprised and shocked as it was a major downfall to our season. 

He is known for a lot of work on set piece analysis, maybe we will see an improvement over the course of the season, too early to say we have improved that already IMO. I am hopeful that will change because two of our biggest weaknesses last season was defending set plays and transitions.

But we were terrible against counterattack teams like palace all through last season and Lampard never fixed that. We even had a loss to west ham late in the season through two very annoying counterattacks. Seeing tactical fouling which I never saw before Barry became a coaching staff must mean something surely.

The set pieces part maybe we have to wait for a longer time but I feel somewhat safer now compared to last season where every set piece against us felt like a penalty.

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Just now, kellzfresh said:

But we were terrible against counterattack teams like palace all through last season and Lampard never fixed that. We even had a loss to west ham late in the season. Seeing tactical fouling which I never saw before Barry became a coaching staff must mean something surely.

The set pieces part maybe we have to wait for a longer time but I feel somewhat safer now compared to last season where every set piece against us felt like a penalty.

Lampard played in two Jose Mourinho teams and a Rafa Benitez team here. Its not as if he’s never seen or heard of tactical fouling being used by top managers when these situations arise. So to credit it purely to a new coaching addition doesn’t sit for me, I think Frank’s realised you can’t try and play like we do and win the fair play award also because we will leave spaces. I think he’s learned that the hard way through last season and the players also have. Pep encourages his players to make fouls if necessary to prevent these situations, Jose does, Klopp does. 

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38 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Lampard played in two Jose Mourinho teams and a Rafa Benitez team here. Its not as if he’s never seen or heard of tactical fouling being used by top managers when these situations arise. So to credit it purely to a new coaching addition doesn’t sit for me, I think Frank’s realised you can’t try and play like we do and win the fair play award also because we will leave spaces. I think he’s learned that the hard way through last season and the players also have. Pep encourages his players to make fouls if necessary to prevent these situations, Jose does, Klopp does. 

Lamps may have experienced it as a player but not putting a stop to it all through 50-60 games last season meant he didn't know how to properly do it imo. I mean how can he know how to solve a serious problem and not do it? Getting an extra staff was wise from him.

Agree to disagree.

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1 hour ago, kellzfresh said:

Lamps may have experienced it as a player but not putting a stop to it all through 50-60 games last season meant he didn't know how to properly do it imo. I mean how can he know how to solve a serious problem and not do it? Getting an extra staff was wise from him.

Agree to disagree.

For starters, maybe not just throw all the players forward whenever we have the ball and end up getting caught repeatedly on the counter, which happened a lot last season. Surely Lampard doesn't need a new coach to tell him that? The tactical fouling yesterday was good but we also did not just throw men forward. So we always, at least, had enough players behind the ball to deal with any counter attacks.

As a whole though, if we can build on what we did yesterday, then that would obviously be great but given we have been fooled or let down by many false dawns in recent years, I would wait for the next few games and see before forming any conclusion. After all, for example, we had games last season where we did everything right in one game and then couldn't even do the basics properly in the next one. So, yesterday was good but let's see after the international break. 

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2 hours ago, Fernando said:

Kloop team getting spank....

Lampard fault! 

Yeah sure and Arteta and Bielsa are also faulty coaches bc they lost to pool too. Great logic. Let's hire Dean Smith then. Oh wait he lost vs Lamps last season.... See the problem?

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8 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Yeah sure and Arteta and Bielsa are also faulty coaches bc they lost to pool too. Great logic. Let's hire Dean Smith then. Oh wait he lost vs Lamps last season.... See the problem?

It is why it is foolish to freak out about results this early as most teams are like in pre season mode. 

Lampard team will also take time for greatness. 

Hence why we see freak results. 

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