Super Frank Thread

[Jase 43,479]

Think you both @Vesper and @1905didierblue just need to agree to disagree and move on. 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

2 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

There is one thing to have a view, and totally another to be asking for the manager to be sacked.

Defensive issue - Been there since the start of the season. Will be sorted with better personnel. 

Energy and hunger - we have no squad. He started giroud and pedro against a hapless west ham, and we were dire. we lost and people blamed him on taking things to easy. Today he put his best team forward, and people are still saying his line up was poor. I dont think so. I think the squad needs a revamp. The minimum we can do is give him one window atleast rather than have it all result based which is what a lot of people are doing.

Nahh I dont think we will get that much better with the personnel defensive wise. We really should be more organized more compact to battle this issue till we can get quality in, cuz it looks like we have abandoned our defensive shape, I agree our defence is not super duper but we can def make it look harder to beat. Look at our corners, set-pieces, just so so bad, and thats on both ends.

I agree our squad thanks to marina and the board look poor, but it sure as fuck should not lose to piss poor teams that are out of form and with many injuries etc. The size of this job is too big atm, FL cant take the battle head on cuz we have too many issues. He needs to be smart and go safer until we grow stronger.

[Vesper 30,119]

19 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

Of course it was an exaggeration, just like the exaggerated post of the other person. 

Mate, even thinking of lamps getting the sack right now is unbelievable. I seriously cant even understand why he is the one disposable for people when we have 5-10 players in the squad that need to either be sold or upgraded. The fact that people are calling for his head right now, is shameful to say the least.

again with the lies

I NEVER said to sack him now

that is fucking pure tosh

you have a repeated and systemic problem with the truth

and it is RICH

that now you are talking about upwards of 10 players or so who need to go when you have consistently shit on most all transfer posts that tried to deal with more than 2 or 3 or 4 players and also conceded the fact that not all can be done in just the January and upcoming summer window

 

keep on typing lies

and I will keep on calling you a liar

it really is simple m8

 

[Vesper 30,119]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

Think you both @Vesper and @1905didierblue just need to agree to disagree and move on. 

I am blocking them now

only the 2nd person ever

congrats!

[1905didierblue 748]

Just now, Atomiswave said:

Nahh I dont think we will get that much better with the personnel defensive wise. We really should be more organized more compact to battle this issue till we can get quality in, cuz it looks like we have abandoned our defensive shape, I agree our defence is not super duper but we can def make it look harder to beat. Look at our corners, set-pieces, just so so bad, and thats on both ends.

I agree our squad thanks to marina and the board look poor, but it sure as fuck should not lose to piss poor teams that are out of form and with many injuries etc. The size of this job is too big atm, FL cant take the battle head on cuz we have too many issues. He needs to be smart and go safer until we grow stronger.

I think a lot of our problems might. I mean take today for example. How many balls did rudiger and zouma lose when trying to play the diagonal. How many times did azpi and emerson find themselves with a diagonal, but could just chest it and recycle it back to the mid or the CBs? These are the margins. Playing against an unsettled on the move defence vs a settled defence with every happening slowly. Also, how many times were there massive through the mid intercepted. A good ball playing Cb or 2, might be the exact thing we need. LB is a must.

We did abandon our defensive shape towards the end, but to be fair, it was way towards the end. The whole match or the majority of it, we were comfortable. 

Lastly, in a vaccum, our team/squad should be good enough to win against the WHU/Bournemouths. But it again comes to fatigue and desire. How many games have tammy/puli/willian started in the last 3 weeks. Liverpool could rest mane in one game, salah and firmino in the other. Have these guys have any rest. sadly no. 

I kinda disagree on the last sentence. If FL has a philosophy, then he should stick to it. THink long term. I mean Pep barely got CL qualification with City in his 1st year. That was with one of the most expensive squads and a 100mil transfer funds. Lamps has had to do this with the kids. He can go pragmatic for the short term or he can stick to his guns, and continue developing for the future. I still trust in him. For every negative there is a very valid reason (except for set piece defending and attacking), as well as positives. Atleast for me.

[1905didierblue 748]

8 minutes ago, Vesper said:

again with the lies

I NEVER said to sack him now

that is fucking pure tosh

you have a repeated and systemic problem with the truth

and it is RICH

that now you are talking about upwards of 10 players or so who need to go when you have consistently shit on most all transfer posts that tried to deal with more than 2 or 3 or 4 players and also conceded the fact that not all can be done in just the January and upcoming summer window

 

keep on typing lies

and I will keep on calling you a liar

it really is simple m8

 

LOL. Try to understand what is written rather than running your mouth. "Thinking of sacking him right now" means that considering the thought of sacking him at the moment fact that despite any permutations and combinations of results in the next month is what is un-thinkable to me. 

I have always maintained that we need to sell giroud, pedro, michy, barkley, alonso at the least. That in itself are 5 players. If the CBs do continue performing the way they are, then we would need to upgrade there too. In any case 5 players to go/upgrade (list is given above).

Try your addition and subtraction in the transfer thread, this is not working out for you. Or you can continue with the "When do we sack lamps agenda"

[Atomiswave 6,117]

3 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

I think a lot of our problems might. I mean take today for example. How many balls did rudiger and zouma lose when trying to play the diagonal. How many times did azpi and emerson find themselves with a diagonal, but could just chest it and recycle it back to the mid or the CBs? These are the margins. Playing against an unsettled on the move defence vs a settled defence with every happening slowly. Also, how many times were there massive through the mid intercepted. A good ball playing Cb or 2, might be the exact thing we need. LB is a must.

We did abandon our defensive shape towards the end, but to be fair, it was way towards the end. The whole match or the majority of it, we were comfortable. 

Lastly, in a vaccum, our team/squad should be good enough to win against the WHU/Bournemouths. But it again comes to fatigue and desire. How many games have tammy/puli/willian started in the last 3 weeks. Liverpool could rest mane in one game, salah and firmino in the other. Have these guys have any rest. sadly no. 

I kinda disagree on the last sentence. If FL has a philosophy, then he should stick to it. THink long term. I mean Pep barely got CL qualification with City in his 1st year. That was with one of the most expensive squads and a 100mil transfer funds. Lamps has had to do this with the kids. He can go pragmatic for the short term or he can stick to his guns, and continue developing for the future. I still trust in him. For every negative there is a very valid reason (except for set piece defending and attacking), as well as positives. Atleast for me.

Thats fair.....but we were not comfortable today. We did nothing, too slow and without ideas. If King had his shooting boots on we were fucked hard. Problem with pep was that he could go spend 250m on defence alone. Shit we are lucky if we spend that amount overall in summer. I wouldnt mind if he went a bit pragmatic to ensure we have a bigger chance of top 4 and then bolster up and try his way again. Cuz we def need CL footy,

[Superblue 6,372]

Irrespective of whether Lampard is the right appointment or not the club has backed itself into a bit of a corner appointing him.

There will be riots if the board sack him early, such is his standing at the club.

All the positive publicity we've had too this season will be pissed against the wall if we pull the trigger early.

And what will happen with (a) the style of football we've tried to implement over the last 18 months and (b) the academy players coming through.

Bringing in a more defensive minded coach that is concentrating on the short term will send us backwards long term. I do still believe that Lampard is the right appointment at present to be laying the foundations that we will long term reap. If he's not good enough to take us to the next level of winning trophies (i.e. Poch at Spurs) then that is a debate at the time but at present in my opinion we need to try to play our way back into form and get through this patch. A signing or two in January may also give us a bit of a boost, and Lampard really needs next summer to be judged properly. I can't think of many other managers going into a top job and not having any opportunity to bring at least a couple of their own players in.

[Tomo 21,751]

4 minutes ago, Mana said:

There won't be riots. A sensible Chelsea fan would know that while Lampard is a club legend, he isn't a legend by coaching. There will NOT be riots at all if we fail to get top 4 this season, no trophies, mid-table and he gets the sacking.

He would have failed all his targets and he also gave us hope that we can clinch CL spot.

5th to 7th and he would have absolutely not failed all in all, especially if the next generation are firmly established in the squad.

[1905didierblue 748]

6 minutes ago, Mana said:

There won't be riots. A sensible Chelsea fan would know that while Lampard is a club legend, he isn't a legend by coaching. There will NOT be riots at all if we fail to get top 4 this season, no trophies, mid-table and he gets the sacking.

He would have failed all his targets and he also gave us hope that we can clinch CL spot.

Most of us did not expect us to get top 4 without hazard and with a transfer ban. Infact most of us did not expect top 6. 

So I am trying to understand you pov, If we do get top 4, lamps should be sacked cause he showed what he could do by making us playing great football and giving us a top 4 hope? 😂😂😂

That seems perfectly logical. 😂

[Tomo 21,751]

2 minutes ago, Mana said:

This would have been true IF the transfer ban still ran through January.

Having a 10 point gap from the chasers to 7th place isn't simply good enough.

This is why I was worried when we had that winning run, expectations became too high.

The reality is we're not as good as we made ourselves look then and are not as bad as we're making ourselves look now, we're going to look shit against Bournemouth but equally there be times we out football Ajax in their own backyard.

[Vesper 30,119]

1 minute ago, Mana said:

So this is similar to the Ole situation, except our honeymoon period came a little later instead of immediately.

This is it then. We are going to hold a lot of L's this December. Ever since the last international break, we have been super poor in the Premier League.

Ajax are a young side just like us, and they just crashed out of the CL. They are good, but not superstars like people make it out to be. FFS they bottled against bloody Spuds last season.

I'm aware some of the players are just simply not good enough and uncoachable. That's why Lampard has a huge decision this January to try and fix that. Get rid of the deadwood, and bring in players that will freshen up our squad. 

I'm actually beginning to think we should cut our losses in the CL and just focus on getting top 4. We are not winning that CL, and we will lose money to spend and reputation if we are not in next season's CL again.

if we draw anyone other than RB Leipzig (and even they are going to be a nightmare) our losses will be cut for us, more than likely

we cannot go from losing to West Ham, Everton,and a massively injured Bournemouth squad (and scoring a total of 1 goal in those 3 games) to beating Barca, Juve, etc IF we stay on current form

at least we have a chance to strengthen the team until the knockout stage starts

although who knows what we can actually do in January

[killer1257 3,282]

Ajax are a young side just like us, but they crashed out of the CL. They are good, but not superstars like people make it out to be. FFS they bottled against bloody Spuds last season.
I'm aware some of the players are just simply not good enough and uncoachable.

You know who else bottled against bloody Spurs last Season in CL? Man City, who last Season won PL btw. So Man City last Season does also have Good players but no superstars right....

Yes, we have some young players but Today only Tammy, Puli and Mount started out of our "young players". Players like Willian, Azpi, Zouma, Rüdiger, Michy are playing shit and they have all the experience in the World.

Only Mount really played bad out of our young players and he did only start because Lamps Wanted to Rest Kova.Tammy is with Kova our most important player


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[Tomo 21,751]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

if we draw anyone other than RB Leipzig (and even they are going to be a nightmare) our losses will be cut for us, more than likely

we cannot go from losing to West Ham, Everton,and a massively injured Bournemouth squad (and scoring a total of 1 goal in those 3 games) to beating Barca, Juve, etc IF we stay on current form

at least we have a chance to strengthen the team until the knockout stage starts

although who knows what we can actually do in January

But a lot can change before then.

On the form of October we would have won the last four league games on an aggregate score of about 14-3.

Form will fluctuate with us until the young one's fill out.

[Vesper 30,119]

'That's not the team I want to manage': Frank Lampard furious with his Chelsea side after Bournemouth defeat as he calls on his players to have the 'balls' to excite supporters

Dan Gosling's over-the-head flick let Bournemouth stun a turgid Chelsea 1-0
This condemning Frank Lampard's men to a fourth league loss in five matches
Former Blues midfielder Lampard criticised his players for lacking urgency
Chelsea struggled in recent losses to West Ham and Everton against low-blocks

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7793277/Frank-Lampard-furious-Chelsea-Bournemouth-defeat.html