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1 minute ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Or the 3 at the back needs to go, which I imagine will come next season. 

Also, according to Buck, a reason Pulisic was purchased was to tap into the American market, as that is where the real money lies. No way will we move him on after only 2 years. 

But that was before we suddenly went and bought so many attackers last summer.

I don't think we will keep a player just because we want to tap into a market if he wants to leave. 

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What a lovely little ball for the 4th that was.

Read an article today that shows at present his productivity with and without the ball is overall pretty poor compared to the other players in his position. He averages fewer tackles per 90 mins

Everyone has their opinion and I respect that but I just find his apprehension (if that's the right word) towards Pulisic somewhat bemusing. Loan him out to learn his trade? Really? If Pulisic was som

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9 minutes ago, Jason said:

But that was before we suddenly went and bought so many attackers last summer.

I don't think we will keep a player just because we want to tap into a market if he wants to leave. 

Maybe if that player had zero potential. The fact Pulisic is America's most prized footballing asset and when you consider his ceiling, pretty sure he is one of the very last the club has in mind to sell off. 

He'll come good. 

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50 minutes ago, Jason said:

Okay, let's make it as if Werner is preventing Pulisic from getting into the XI. Tuchel did not play/start Werner against Wolves and Man United but chose to not start with Pulisic anyway. There were also games when Tuchel could have chosen Pulisic to play with Werner and Mount but he went with CHO or Ziyech.

On the bigger picture though, we do have a lot of attacking players in the squad. It does feel like it needs to be trimmed because everyone of them would want to be in the starting XI.

Werner is preventing him because he is the same type of player. Why? Because CHO primarely played as a WB this season. Ziyech has barely played this season, so he didn't prevent him. Even when Ziyech played, he plays in a different role that is not suited for Pulisic if that makes sense. 

My point is that Pulisic at the moment can do the things Werner is doing and more.  

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1 minute ago, Azul said:

Werner is preventing him because he is the same type of player. Why? Because CHO primarely played as a WB this season. Ziyech has barely played this season, so he didn't prevent him. Even when Ziyech played, he plays in a different role that is not suited for Pulisic if that makes sense. 

My point is that Pulisic at the moment can do the things Werner is doing and more.  

Werner and Pulisic are same type of player...? 🤨 One is a direct, inside forward while the other is a winger.

CHO played as one of the front 3 attackers against Spurs, Southampton and Everton. And Pulisic is more like CHO given they're both wingers. 

The point isn't whether Ziyech has played much or not, it's that Tuchel could have tailored the approach to fit Pulisic in but he didn't. If you want to talk this season as in the whole season, then nothing stopped Pulisic from playing a lot under Lampard after he came from injury in late November. 

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1 minute ago, Jason said:

Werner and Pulisic are same type of player...? 🤨 One is a direct, inside forward while the other is a winger.

CHO played as one of the front 3 attackers against Spurs, Southampton and Everton. And Pulisic is more like CHO given they're both wingers. 

The point isn't whether Ziyech has played much or not, it's that Tuchel could have tailored the approach to fit Pulisic in but he didn't. If you want to talk this season as in the whole season, then nothing stopped Pulisic from playing a lot under Lampard after he came from injury in late November. 

Pulisic was an inside forward at the end of last season. He has shown enough abilities to play that role, and his goalcontributions post lockdown is similar to Werners after 27 games this season. Does Pulisic have good positioning ? Yes (Werner still has better positiong to be fair). Does he have better finishing? Yes(Werner is horrible in front of goal at the moment). Can he pass, dribble, linkup play and hold the ball better than Werner? Yes. So why can't he play the inside forward role he played in the restart of last season?

Let me explain the Ziyech thing, he only get's picked for specific games to play a specific role. Which is not to use his pace, dribbling, positioning etc, but Ziyech is tasked to be the playmaker that uses his passing range. So why do we compare Ziyech and Pulisic? They're two completely different players.

I have no problem if CHO starts over Pulisic, because I rate him and I believe he offers more than both Werner and Pulisic at the moment. However he plays the wingback role a lot, and when he does Werner seems to play the left forward position. I'd rather Pulisic play that role.

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1 hour ago, Azul said:

Pulisic was an inside forward at the end of last season. He has shown enough abilities to play that role, and his goalcontributions post lockdown is similar to Werners after 27 games this season. Does Pulisic have good positioning ? Yes (Werner still has better positiong to be fair). Does he have better finishing? Yes(Werner is horrible in front of goal at the moment). Can he pass, dribble, linkup play and hold the ball better than Werner? Yes. So why can't he play the inside forward role he played in the restart of last season?

Pulisic was playing as an inverted winger. He started out wide and then worked his way inward. Think Ribery for example.

1 hour ago, Azul said:

Let me explain the Ziyech thing, he only get's picked for specific games to play a specific role. Which is not to use his pace, dribbling, positioning etc, but Ziyech is tasked to be the playmaker that uses his passing range. So why do we compare Ziyech and Pulisic? They're two completely different players.

My point is, Tuchel could have tailored the game plan to fit Pulisic in alongside Werner and Mount in past games. Pulisic came on for CHO at Spurs in the second half and we ended up with Werner-Mount-Pulisic as the front 3. 

And if you want to mention specifics aka why a player is used like what you described with Ziyech there, then one could argue that Tuchel prefers what Werner brings to the team more than Pulisic - e.g. stay on the last line and focus on making runs behind to stretch the defence/push the defence back. Moreover, we need some sort of striker presence in the XI. Werner is more like one than Pulisic is.

Also while Pulisic shone on the left last season, it's not like he can't play on the right either. Did that at Dortmund and for Tuchel as well. So what is preventing Tuchel for just playing Pulisic on the right?

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1 hour ago, Jason said:

Pulisic was playing as an inverted winger. He started out wide and then worked his way inward. Think Ribery for example.

My point is, Tuchel could have tailored the game plan to fit Pulisic in alongside Werner and Mount in past games. Pulisic came on for CHO at Spurs in the second half and we ended up with Werner-Mount-Pulisic as the front 3. 

And if you want to mention specifics aka why a player is used like what you described with Ziyech there, then one could argue that Tuchel prefers what Werner brings to the team more than Pulisic - e.g. stay on the last line and focus on making runs behind to stretch the defence/push the defence back. Moreover, we need some sort of striker presence in the XI. Werner is more like one than Pulisic is.

Also while Pulisic shone on the left last season, it's not like he can't play on the right either. Did that at Dortmund and for Tuchel as well. So what is preventing Tuchel for just playing Pulisic on the right?

I disagree, Ribery is a playmaking winger, whilst Pulisic has been a goal threat for us under Lampard. Besides, Werner uses width a lot as well but I don't call him an inverted winger but an inside forward. Why do you think Klopp was massively interested in him? Because Pulisic has the ability to play as an inside forward.

The reason why Werner and Pulisic don't play with eachother is because Tuchel likes to play with one player that can hold the ball well. Mount-Pulisic-Werner would only work against a highline like Liverpools. However Ziyech started that game because he was tasked to give through balls to Werner. 

Saying Werner is there for a striker presence, is really clutching at straws. Is this how far our fanbase goes in defending this guys performances? lol no offence bro

Werner at the moment does not have the presence of a striker, because he can't score to save his life. 

By the way it's not like I really am desperate for Pulisic to play, but I don't mind CHO playing on the left as well. Anyone but Timo at the moment. 

What prevented Pulisic from playing on the right is Mount. He played most games on the right or in the middle, either way it limits Pulisic to play because Tuchel does not like to bench Mason for obvious reasons.

I'd like my front three to be:

Pulisic/CHO-Havertz-Mount

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12 minutes ago, Azul said:

Saying Werner is there for a striker presence, is really clutching at straws. Is this how far our fanbase goes in defending this guys performances? lol no offence bro

Werner at the moment does not have the presence of a striker, because he can't score to save his life. 

Him not scoring is one thing but it's another to have someone making those striker runs in the box, especially if Abraham/Giroud isn't gonna play.

Say if we suddenly play CHO-Mount-Pulisic as front 3, who's gonna be the striker? Who's gonna just have that striker presence and create movement inside the box? Everyone of those 3 likes to get the ball onto their feet.

14 minutes ago, Azul said:

By the way it's not like I really am desperate for Pulisic to play, but I don't mind CHO playing on the left as well. Anyone but Timo at the moment. 

So if you have issues with Tuchel playing Werner on the left but not on the right, like he did against Everton? 

15 minutes ago, Azul said:

What prevented Pulisic from playing on the right is Mount. He played most games on the right or in the middle, either way it limits Pulisic to play because Tuchel does not like to bench Mason for obvious reasons.

Mount has played several games behind the front two of Werner and someone else. Pulisic was part of that front two when he came on at Spurs for example. There's been CHO, Ziyech on the right. Tuchel could have played Pulisic there instead of say CHO but he did not.

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33 minutes ago, Jason said:

Him not scoring is one thing but it's another to have someone making those striker runs in the box, especially if Abraham/Giroud isn't gonna play.

Say if we suddenly play CHO-Mount-Pulisic as front 3, who's gonna be the striker? Who's gonna just have that striker presence and create movement inside the box? Everyone of those 3 likes to get the ball onto their feet.

So if you have issues with Tuchel playing Werner on the left but not on the right, like he did against Everton? 

Mount has played several games behind the front two of Werner and someone else. Pulisic was part of that front two when he came on at Spurs for example. There's been CHO, Ziyech on the right. Tuchel could have played Pulisic there instead of say CHO but he did not.

"Him not scoring is one thing but it's another to have someone making those striker runs in the box, especially if Abraham/Giroud isn't gonna play."

Are you saying that Pulisic's positioning is not good enough? He's fast and has an eye for goal as we've seen post lockdown against City for example, where his positioning was superb.

"Say if we suddenly play CHO-Mount-Pulisic as front 3, who's gonna be the striker? Who's gonna just have that striker presence and create movement inside the box? Everyone of those 3 likes to get the ball onto their feet."

I never mentioned that I wanted Mount-Pulisic-CHO to play with eachother. 

"So if you have issues with Tuchel playing Werner on the left but not on the right, like he did against Everton?"

CHO and Werner were playing together, because Mount needed a rest. When Mount is fit, I have no problem if CHO plays on the left instead of Werner. I'd like to see Pulisic given an opportunity though. To see what he can do on the left together with Havertz as a false nine and Mount in the middle.

"Mount has played several games behind the front two of Werner and someone else. Pulisic was part of that front two when he came on at Spurs for example. There's been CHO, Ziyech on the right. Tuchel could have played Pulisic there instead of say CHO but he did not."

Ziyech played when he has a specific role like I said. I don't want to repeat myself, no offence just tired😅😂 Pulisic can't pass like Ziyech so it doesn't make sense for him to replace Ziyech when he has been given a specific task. 

Whenever CHO plays in a forward position like he did, I don't criticise him because I think he is a good forward. There's no reason for me to want Pulisic to start over CHO.

However there are multiple reasons why I want Pulisic or CHO to start over Werner in the left forward spot. He starts there way too often after average performances, it's time we give CHO or Pulisic a run there while playing with Mount and Havertz.

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1 minute ago, Azul said:

Are you saying that Pulisic's positioning is not good enough? He's fast and has an eye for goal as we've seen post lockdown against City for example, where his positioning was superb.

But he is not a striker, no? And you said it so yourself, Werner's position is better than Pulisic's. 

Did you pick the wrong goal or what? His goal against City was him winning the ball in midfield and then running through to score.

3 minutes ago, Azul said:

I never mentioned that I wanted Mount-Pulisic-CHO to play with eachother. 

Am just using it as an example because you keep on saying Werner shouldn't have played so many games and that Pulisic should have played. So, was just using one of the recent lineups and switched Werner out for Pulisic.

4 minutes ago, Azul said:

CHO and Werner were playing together, because Mount needed a rest. When Mount is fit, I have no problem if CHO plays on the left instead of Werner. I'd like to see Pulisic given an opportunity though. To see what he can do on the left together with Havertz as a false nine and Mount in the middle.

Okay...but why didn't Tuchel play Pulisic on the right? It's a much more familiar position to him than Werner.

5 minutes ago, Azul said:

Ziyech played when he has a specific role like I said. I don't want to repeat myself, no offence just tired😅😂 Pulisic can't pass like Ziyech so it doesn't make sense for him to replace Ziyech when he has been given a specific task. 

I know but as I said, Tuchel could have come up with a plan to fit Pulisic in the front 3. I don't know how many times Ziyech played Werner in against Liverpool but Tuchel could have used Pulisic and made us hurt them in a different way. And Pulisic also came on for Ziyech in that game. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

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Don't think we should sell this summer. 

Give him another season. Still young and should merit another season. 

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On 10/03/2021 at 20:25, Jason said:

But he is not a striker, no? And you said it so yourself, Werner's position is better than Pulisic's. 

Did you pick the wrong goal or what? His goal against City was him winning the ball in midfield and then running through to score.

Am just using it as an example because you keep on saying Werner shouldn't have played so many games and that Pulisic should have played. So, was just using one of the recent lineups and switched Werner out for Pulisic.

Okay...but why didn't Tuchel play Pulisic on the right? It's a much more familiar position to him than Werner.

I know but as I said, Tuchel could have come up with a plan to fit Pulisic in the front 3. I don't know how many times Ziyech played Werner in against Liverpool but Tuchel could have used Pulisic and made us hurt them in a different way. And Pulisic also came on for Ziyech in that game. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

I do agree that Werner's positioning is better, however the positioning Werner had in the Everton game for example was something even a toddler could do. Everton opened up so much that the ball was easily placed to him, and all he had to do was finish. Pulisic, Mount and CHO are all better finishers at the moment. What's the point of someone positioning themselves if their end product is bad at the moment?

There was another chances where Pulisic had very good positioning to pick up a pass, go round Ederson and score but the ball was cleared off the line.

"Am just using it as an example because you keep on saying Werner shouldn't have played so many games and that Pulisic should have played. So, was just using one of the recent lineups and switched Werner out for Pulisic."

I'm not saying that Pulisic should have played every single game, but to leave him on the bench after a lot of average games Werner had is a bit unfair. I trust Tuchel will do the right thing at the end of the day, and us signing a striker in the summer, will surely put more pressure on Timo.

"Okay...but why didn't Tuchel play Pulisic on the right? It's a much more familiar position to him than Werner"

That is what we're here to discuss. Maybe because he was tasked to specifically bring the best out of Werner and Havertz according to Matt Law and Simon Johnson? Who knows. Pulisic's injury history could be another factor. I have no idea what goes on in Tuchels brain, but I have hope that he will solve this Werner issue hopefully. Whether it'd be Haaland coming in or Timo actually showing up and perform to our standards which I think is unlikely.

I'm just not surprised that Pulisic is not happy and wants to leave according to Romano. He has not been given a chance, when Werner was not even lighting the world on fire. 

"I know but as I said, Tuchel could have come up with a plan to fit Pulisic in the front 3. I don't know how many times Ziyech played Werner in against Liverpool but Tuchel could have used Pulisic and made us hurt them in a different way. And Pulisic also came on for Ziyech in that game. There is more than one way to skin a cat."

Who would feed the balls to Werner and Pulisic if Ziyech is not there? I think that in Tuchel's mind he wanted two players that were able to make good long balls to Timo, one being Jorginho and the other being Ziyech. I see no other reason why Ziyech played that game to be honest. To say what if Tuchel found a way to play the two of them together is completely hypothetical and it's something we can't measure or use in an argument to be honest. It's like saying, what if my grandmother had a penis would she be my grandfather?😂

Anyways let's enjoy the rest of the season and see where the whole Werner/Pulisic thing takes us. I hope Tuchel does his best in managing the situation.

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9 minutes ago, Azul said:

I do agree that Werner's positioning is better, however the positioning Werner had in the Everton game for example was something even a toddler could do. Everton opened up so much that the ball was easily placed to him, and all he had to do was finish. Pulisic, Mount and CHO are all better finishers at the moment. What's the point of someone positioning themselves if their end product is bad at the moment?

As much as Werner's finishing has left a lot to be desired, there's nothing to suggest that Mount, CHO and Pulisic are better finishers themselves at the moment. Otherwise, one wouldn't be on only 5 goals, another wouldn't be on only 2 goals and the other wouldn't be on only 1 goal right now. 

15 minutes ago, Azul said:

I'm not saying that Pulisic should have played every single game, but to leave him on the bench after a lot of average games Werner had is a bit unfair. I trust Tuchel will do the right thing at the end of the day, and us signing a striker in the summer, will surely put more pressure on Timo.

Not saying Werner has been consistent but let's just break down the league games under Tuchel for a second:

Wolves - Werner didn't play (Pulisic could have started but Tuchel went with Ziyech and Havertz behind Giroud instead)

Burnley - Werner started but did nothing of note (Pulisic came on at HT and played with Werner upfront)

Spurs - Werner won the penalty that led to the winning goal (Pulisic came on in the second half and again, played with Werner upfront)

Sheffield United - Werner assisted the first goal and then won the penalty for the winner (Pulisic missed the game due to family reason)

Newcastle - Werner created the first goal and then scored the second

Southampton - Werner started but nothing of note (Pulisic missed the game due to a calf issue)

Man United - Werner started on the bench (Pulisic again could have started but he was also on the bench)

Liverpool - Werner started and was played to exploit Liverpool's high line; would have had a goal as well for the silly VAR/handball rule (Pulisic came on in the second half but played with Werner upfront again)

Everton - Werner started (on the right) but did nothing of note

Out of 9 games there, Werner didn't start in 2 games, started but did nothing of note in 3 games and made an impact in the other 4 games. Even if the general performance hasn't been great, it's kinda hard for a manager to drop someone who's at least making something happen in the final third, especially when we're still finding our fluency in the attacking third. Plus, Pulisic missing a game here and there for other reasons has probably not helped his cause either. Not interested in going into another lengthy debate here but just pointing it out. 

Werner would be under pressure to get things right next season, regardless of whether we sign a new striker or not. He needs to be converting more and missing less chances in front of goal.

24 minutes ago, Azul said:

That is what we're here to discuss. Maybe because he was tasked to specifically bring the best out of Werner and Havertz according to Matt Law and Simon Johnson? Who knows. Pulisic's injury history could be another factor. I have no idea what goes on in Tuchels brain, but I have hope that he will solve this Werner issue hopefully. Whether it'd be Haaland coming in or Timo actually showing up and perform to our standards which I think is unlikely.

I'm just not surprised that Pulisic is not happy and wants to leave according to Romano. He has not been given a chance, when Werner was not even lighting the world on fire. 

Isn't this why I have precisely been saying what I said? There's nothing stopping Tuchel from tailoring our game plan to fit Pulisic in, be it on the left or right, from the start and especially when he already knew him at Dortmund but he hasn't done that. The decision to not play Pulisic of late has more to do with whatever Tuchel thinks of him as opposed to just Werner completely blocking Pulisic's path. 

29 minutes ago, Azul said:

Who would feed the balls to Werner and Pulisic if Ziyech is not there? I think that in Tuchel's mind he wanted two players that were able to make good long balls to Timo, one being Jorginho and the other being Ziyech. I see no other reason why Ziyech played that game to be honest. To say what if Tuchel found a way to play the two of them together is completely hypothetical and it's something we can't measure or use in an argument to be honest. It's like saying, what if my grandmother had a penis would she be my grandfather?😂

To quote you "That is what we're here to discuss". 🤪 Let's not forget that we did see Pulisic come on for Ziyech in the second half and he played with Werner and Mount. 

The plan of using Ziyech to feed passes to Werner sounds logical but funnily enough, it only happened on 3 occasions in that Liverpool match. That's the same amount of passes as Kante made to Werner, less than Rudiger to Werner (4), and Mount to Werner as well as Chilwell to Werner (each on 6).

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1 hour ago, Jason said:

As much as Werner's finishing has left a lot to be desired, there's nothing to suggest that Mount, CHO and Pulisic are better finishers themselves at the moment. Otherwise, one wouldn't be on only 5 goals, another wouldn't be on only 2 goals and the other wouldn't be on only 1 goal right now. 

Not saying Werner has been consistent but let's just break down the league games under Tuchel for a second:

Wolves - Werner didn't play (Pulisic could have started but Tuchel went with Ziyech and Havertz behind Giroud instead)

Burnley - Werner started but did nothing of note (Pulisic came on at HT and played with Werner upfront)

Spurs - Werner won the penalty that led to the winning goal (Pulisic came on in the second half and again, played with Werner upfront)

Sheffield United - Werner assisted the first goal and then won the penalty for the winner (Pulisic missed the game due to family reason)

Newcastle - Werner created the first goal and then scored the second

Southampton - Werner started but nothing of note (Pulisic missed the game due to a calf issue)

Man United - Werner started on the bench (Pulisic again could have started but he was also on the bench)

Liverpool - Werner started and was played to exploit Liverpool's high line; would have had a goal as well for the silly VAR/handball rule (Pulisic came on in the second half but played with Werner upfront again)

Everton - Werner started (on the right) but did nothing of note

Out of 9 games there, Werner didn't start in 2 games, started but did nothing of note in 3 games and made an impact in the other 4 games. Even if the general performance hasn't been great, it's kinda hard for a manager to drop someone who's at least making something happen in the final third, especially when we're still finding our fluency in the attacking third. Plus, Pulisic missing a game here and there for other reasons has probably not helped his cause either. Not interested in going into another lengthy debate here but just pointing it out. 

Werner would be under pressure to get things right next season, regardless of whether we sign a new striker or not. He needs to be converting more and missing less chances in front of goal.

Isn't this why I have precisely been saying what I said? There's nothing stopping Tuchel from tailoring our game plan to fit Pulisic in, be it on the left or right, from the start and especially when he already knew him at Dortmund but he hasn't done that. The decision to not play Pulisic of late has more to do with whatever Tuchel thinks of him as opposed to just Werner completely blocking Pulisic's path. 

To quote you "That is what we're here to discuss". 🤪 Let's not forget that we did see Pulisic come on for Ziyech in the second half and he played with Werner and Mount. 

The plan of using Ziyech to feed passes to Werner sounds logical but funnily enough, it only happened on 3 occasions in that Liverpool match. That's the same amount of passes as Kante made to Werner, less than Rudiger to Werner (4), and Mount to Werner as well as Chilwell to Werner (each on 6).

"As much as Werner's finishing has left a lot to be desired, there's nothing to suggest that Mount, CHO and Pulisic are better finishers themselves at the moment. Otherwise, one wouldn't be on only 5 goals, another wouldn't be on only 2 goals and the other wouldn't be on only 1 goal right now."

The reason why Werner has more goals is because of the role he has. He is tasked to run in behind to score goals and Mount is tasked to provide for him. So ofcourse he has more goals😂 The amount of chances he's missed however is astounding. You can't sit here and tell me Mount, Pulisic and CHO would miss all those chances. If you're disagreeing with me for the sake of it then there's no point in continuing talking about this topic.

Moreover, you mentioned Premier League games, and you forgot the game against Atletico where he was woeful. Also we were criticising our attack under Tuchel since he arrived, so why is Werner getting praise for the minimal we've done in attack? It's clear we have been struggling in attack and he has been a big part of that in my opinion. 

"Isn't this why I have precisely been saying what I said? There's nothing stopping Tuchel from tailoring our game plan to fit Pulisic in, be it on the left or right, from the start and especially when he already knew him at Dortmund but he hasn't done that. The decision to not play Pulisic of late has more to do with whatever Tuchel thinks of him as opposed to just Werner completely blocking Pulisic's path."

Tuchel clearly said in many press conferences that he is not going to change his system for the sake of it. It's working and he wants to keep it. So why would he fit Pulisic and Werner in the system, when he said that? Sure it's not Werner completely blocking his path, but Werner has been underperforming in my opinion even more so than Mount, hence why I focus on him.

"The plan of using Ziyech to feed passes to Werner sounds logical but funnily enough, it only happened on 3 occasions in that Liverpool match. That's the same amount of passes as Kante made to Werner, less than Rudiger to Werner (4), and Mount to Werner as well as Chilwell to Werner (each on 6)."

Things obviously go to plan with Tuchels Ziyech decision, but it was still the plan he put in place. Whether it worked or not is not what we're discussing. Ziyech played instead of Pulisic because Tuchel decided that he needed a good passer before the game. Ziyech's performance might have showed that it was the wrong decision, but that doesn't change the fact that Pulisic was not played for tactical reasons(in my opinion).

But yeah let's stop here, I respect your opinion but we agree to disagree. I hope I'm wrong, and Werner turns out to become world class and score over 10 goals for us till the end of the season😂 

 

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3 minutes ago, Azul said:

The reason why Werner has more goals is because of the role he has. He is tasked to run in behind to score goals and Mount is tasked to provide for him. So ofcourse he has more goals😂 The amount of chances he's missed however is astounding. You can't sit here and tell me Mount, Pulisic and CHO would miss all those chances. If you're disagreeing with me for the sake of it then there's no point in continuing talking about this topic.

The point is, it's not as if Mount, Pulisic or CHO have been clinical when they have gotten their own chances. They have had their fair share of misses as well. It's just that they get less chances to score - or miss - than Werner.

4 minutes ago, Azul said:

Moreover, you mentioned Premier League games, and you forgot the game against Atletico where he was woeful. Also we were criticising our attack under Tuchel since he arrived, so why is Werner getting praise for the minimal we've done in attack? It's clear we have been struggling in attack and he has been a big part of that in my opinion. 

Even if I did not include the Atletico Madrid game, it still doesn't change the point that I was making. But if you want to include the Atletico game, then I would include the Barnsley game as well. You can say Werner was poor against Atletico but so was Pulisic against Barnsley. Forget the team playing badly that night, Pulisic did himself no favors whatsoever in that game. 

The point with listing those games is that Werner made an impact in 4 of those 9 league games, 3 of them in consecutive games. When you have someone contributing goals, it's hard to drop that player, even if the performances aren't always consistent. Combine that with Pulisic suddenly missing 1 game through family issue and 1 through calf issue, he was always gonna end up in a disadvantage spot, which Tuchel alluded to in his presser today funnily enough.

7 minutes ago, Azul said:

Tuchel clearly said in many press conferences that he is not going to change his system for the sake of it. It's working and he wants to keep it. So why would he fit Pulisic and Werner in the system, when he said that? Sure it's not Werner completely blocking his path, but Werner has been underperforming in my opinion even more so than Mount, hence why I focus on him.

Why does it have to involve changing the system? Tuchel has constantly rotated the front 3 and found ways to fit the players, even if they aren't comfortable in a back 3 system but he hasn't included Pulisic much at all. Why?

16 minutes ago, Azul said:

But yeah let's stop here, I respect your opinion but we agree to disagree. I hope I'm wrong, and Werner turns out to become world class and score over 10 goals for us till the end of the season

SEE WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAID WE WOULD JUST GO BE GOING CIRCLES RIGHT FROM THE START!? 

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28 minutes ago, Jason said:

The point is, it's not as if Mount, Pulisic or CHO have been clinical when they have gotten their own chances. They have had their fair share of misses as well. It's just that they get less chances to score - or miss - than Werner.

Even if I did not include the Atletico Madrid game, it still doesn't change the point that I was making. But if you want to include the Atletico game, then I would include the Barnsley game as well. You can say Werner was poor against Atletico but so was Pulisic against Barnsley. Forget the team playing badly that night, Pulisic did himself no favors whatsoever in that game. 

The point with listing those games is that Werner made an impact in 4 of those 9 league games, 3 of them in consecutive games. When you have someone contributing goals, it's hard to drop that player, even if the performances aren't always consistent. Combine that with Pulisic suddenly missing 1 game through family issue and 1 through calf issue, he was always gonna end up in a disadvantage spot, which Tuchel alluded to in his presser today funnily enough.

Why does it have to involve changing the system? Tuchel has constantly rotated the front 3 and found ways to fit the players, even if they aren't comfortable in a back 3 system but he hasn't included Pulisic much at all. Why?

SEE WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAID WE WOULD JUST GO BE GOING CIRCLES RIGHT FROM THE START!? 

😂😂😂You were right, we'll go in circles. After Tuchels press conference, there is a chance that Pulisic might start against Leeds. I'm curious to see what happens.

I can honestly answer every question, but it won't amount to nothing lol. Let the players do the talking on the pitch.

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The ironic thing about the current situation with Pulisic is that, is he even going to start week in week out at the clubs that he's being linked with - Bayern, Liverpool, Man United?

Bayern have got Sane, Gnabry, Coman and even Muller who can play in the wide areas.

Liverpool still have Salah and Mane going strong as well as Jota. Plus, it's unlikely they will even have the money right off the bat to buy someone for big price tag, unless they sell some players.

Man United have Rashford, Martial, Greenwood, Diallo and heck, even Dan James, who Solskjaer seems to like. And if they go get Sancho for real this summer, then there's hardly any place there.

On top of that, any interested club would also be wary of his injury record and might not be keen to pay big money for him.

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I thought he did good. Better then zyech. 

If anyone should go is zyech, pulisic is clearly a good player that cause problems in the wings. 

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