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6 minutes ago, Tomo said:

As for Pulisic he reminds me a bit of Loftus before last season.

Not in style (obviously) but in the sense that he has a lot of talent and the idea of him is great but it's currently not really translating into reality.

Hopefully at some point it comes together for Christian like it did for Ruben.

It’s unfortunate that he has that price tag hanging over him. He hasn’t set the world alight yet but the effort is there, the quality is there and you can see what he brings to the team and what he tries to do. It’s just like you said, it hasn’t quite clicked for him yet. The perception of him would be different if he had come from the academy. 

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What a lovely little ball for the 4th that was.

Read an article today that shows at present his productivity with and without the ball is overall pretty poor compared to the other players in his position. He averages fewer tackles per 90 mins

Everyone has their opinion and I respect that but I just find his apprehension (if that's the right word) towards Pulisic somewhat bemusing. Loan him out to learn his trade? Really? If Pulisic was som

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Even so, at that point (six months of regular playing time) it would have been crazy to drop that much on him, but I'm still not that convinced they would have sold him so soon (given it looked like he was dragging them to the title at the point we went for Christian) and even if they would, I don't think he would have left, certainly not for us at a time the uncertainty around his best mate Odoi was at it's peak.

 

I'm not disagreeing with your point and personally still ain't sold. However, he has plenty of opportunities to impress, none more so than the Euros (partly on home soil).

 

Indeed but Dembele has sure gone off the rails at Barcelona.

 

He hasn't been able to cope mentally with the massive jump in a relatively short time.

 

 

 

Guy's living like a student according to reports (gaming all night & turning up to things late or not at all).

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1 minute ago, LAM09 said:

Guy's living like a student according to reports (gaming all night & turning up to things late or not at all).

I know he gets injured a lot but christ, his situation is that bad?!

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27 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Even so, at that point (six months of regular playing time) it would have been crazy to drop that much on him, but I'm still not that convinced they would have sold him so soon (given it looked like he was dragging them to the title at the point we went for Christian) and even if they would, I don't think he would have left, certainly not for us at a time the uncertainty around his best mate Odoi was at it's peak.

And 60m on bvb bench warmer wasnt crazy?

30 minutes ago, communicate said:

Dortmund will laugh at you with 60m bid. For Sancho they will want at least double of that. 

Thats why I said 90m :) Sancho is now obviously worth more, but back then we could pull something off.

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37 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Not really because Sancho will sign for us in around 10 months :P

 

35 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Sancho wasn't available last summer for any price and certainly not on a buy in January to loan back basis like we would have had to do due to the ban.

We may still go for Sancho if/when he becomes available.

Id love that but even if we wanted, he is worth 120-150m now. Even with the cash we have (likely we will rival real, barca, psg, city after we couldnt spend much due to ban), I dont see us pulling this deal. Not with Odoi and Pulisic already at the club. 

We simply missed this train, but maybe he ends up here by some miracle.

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8 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

 

Id love that but even if we wanted, he is worth 120-150m now. Even with the cash we have (likely we will rival real, barca, psg, city after we couldnt spend much due to ban), I dont see us pulling this deal. Not with Odoi and Pulisic already at the club. 

We simply missed this train, but maybe he ends up here by some miracle.

If it's between us and United I think we could do it. We clearly have a much clearer direction going forward than United, Jadon is best mates with Callum and was a Chelsea fan as a kid.

Hopefully he will look at his peers all coming through here and say "I want to play with them and make history with them".

However if Pep let's go of his usual stubbornness (not giving a player another chance to play for him if they reject him once) or worse Real and Barca knock hard we will face an uphill battle.

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3 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

And 60m on bvb bench warmer wasnt crazy?

Thats why I said 90m :) Sancho is now obviously worth more, but back then we could pull something off.

But dortmund didn't want to sell him unless of course we gave them crazy money. They will say no for 90 m. 

I like Sancho, where do you think you want to play him. 

CHO - Tammy - Sancho 

Mount - Kante - RLC

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Look absolutely mouthwatering but mount playing deeper, I don't know. 

I think Sancho will end up at United or psg (if neymar is gone) . This is just me. 

Rasford - Martial - Sancho 

           MF - Pogba

           Mctominay 

LB - Mcguire - lindelof - awb

Man that is one expensive team to build though. They need a really good lb that will stay fit, a really good MF like kante. That is 200 - 250 m with Sancho, and they have spent 150 m + this season alone. 

 

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I am new to this forum as I am a Dortmund fan (sorry) and I was browsing this because being an American, I wanted to get a sense of how Pulisic was being viewed.  I created an account to clear up one somewhat glaring misconception.  I read over and over that Puli was "benched" in favor of Sancho at Dortmund.  That is simply not accurate.  He had an injury and it took a long time for him to return to form.  But when he did return to form at the end of last season, he became a regular starter again.  Recall that last year the Bundesliga title race went down to the last weekend, so that every game was potentially critical.  Puli started all three of the last games.  Dortmund made clear they were trying to bring him back slow which is why his time was limited for a while.

That being said, his history at Dortmund is still a cause for concern. I remember a few years ago, Pato burst on the scene at AC Milan, and he was tagged as a future Player of the Year winner.  However, he was derailed by a series of minor injuries that most players bounce back from fairly quickly, never to be seen on the international stage again.  The fact that Puli took so long to recover his form at Dortmund raises the specter that he might be another Pato--prone to injury and less able to recover.    

Right now,I think his biggest problem is people like me.  Here I am, a Dortmund fan, lurking about on a Chelsea fan forum just because one american plays there.  Unlike other nations, Puli is virtually the sole focus of attention, and the pressure for him to be the savior of American soccer football is immense.  I cant help but wonder if that is getting to him as other than the Super Cup, he has been more tentative and played with less enthusiasm, than he ever was at Dortmund.  

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10 hours ago, Scooter said:

I am new to this forum as I am a Dortmund fan (sorry) and I was browsing this because being an American, I wanted to get a sense of how Pulisic was being viewed.  I created an account to clear up one somewhat glaring misconception.  I read over and over that Puli was "benched" in favor of Sancho at Dortmund.  That is simply not accurate.  He had an injury and it took a long time for him to return to form.  But when he did return to form at the end of last season, he became a regular starter again.  Recall that last year the Bundesliga title race went down to the last weekend, so that every game was potentially critical.  Puli started all three of the last games.  Dortmund made clear they were trying to bring him back slow which is why his time was limited for a while.

That being said, his history at Dortmund is still a cause for concern. I remember a few years ago, Pato burst on the scene at AC Milan, and he was tagged as a future Player of the Year winner.  However, he was derailed by a series of minor injuries that most players bounce back from fairly quickly, never to be seen on the international stage again.  The fact that Puli took so long to recover his form at Dortmund raises the specter that he might be another Pato--prone to injury and less able to recover.    

Right now,I think his biggest problem is people like me.  Here I am, a Dortmund fan, lurking about on a Chelsea fan forum just because one american plays there.  Unlike other nations, Puli is virtually the sole focus of attention, and the pressure for him to be the savior of American soccer football is immense.  I cant help but wonder if that is getting to him as other than the Super Cup, he has been more tentative and played with less enthusiasm, than he ever was at Dortmund.  

Welcome Scooter and thank you for your comment. I hope we'll see more.

I'm about to challenge some of what you said and propose an alternative reading of Pulli's history. I have to stress however that this is almost entirely theoretical. I saw very little of Chris at BVB so I can't, and don't, claim to know his game as well as you do. What I did see however raised more questions than it provided answers so I was pleased to read earlier comments from people who are equally positive about him as you are. Nevertheless I do think the alternative version might also fit the facts.

My first challenge is to say that Sancho was indeed preferred to Chris. The injury might be an explanation for it, but the fact remains that on many occasions another player was selected ahead of our new recruit.

Challenge two: Dortmund's 'easing him back' statement could be the simple truth, or it might be an attempt to shield their player from criticism. I'm not sure how it fits with the timeline of the Chelsea deal, but the comment may also have been aimed at preserving Chris's value ahead of a transfer. It's been done before.

Challenge three: footballers often benefit from honeymoon judgements early in their careers. During that time they are given maximum credit for everything thing they do well, while anything they do poorly is excused or ignored altogether. Pato is an excellent example. Ahead of his loan to Chelsea, I said I had not seen any of his recent displays back home but gave my opinion that Pato was an ordinary player and always had been. A Brazilian fan felt I was being foolish to make a blind judgement but of course I had seen plenty of Pato in Europe and a leopard.does not change its spots.

I fully agree with what you say about the pressure of expectation. Even so, there was a lot to like from Chris in Istanbul. I hope that your faith in him is justified and that my concerns, along with my theories, are baseless.

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15 hours ago, Scooter said:

I am new to this forum as I am a Dortmund fan (sorry) and I was browsing this because being an American, I wanted to get a sense of how Pulisic was being viewed.  I created an account to clear up one somewhat glaring misconception.  I read over and over that Puli was "benched" in favor of Sancho at Dortmund.  That is simply not accurate.  He had an injury and it took a long time for him to return to form.  But when he did return to form at the end of last season, he became a regular starter again.  Recall that last year the Bundesliga title race went down to the last weekend, so that every game was potentially critical.  Puli started all three of the last games.  Dortmund made clear they were trying to bring him back slow which is why his time was limited for a while.

That being said, his history at Dortmund is still a cause for concern. I remember a few years ago, Pato burst on the scene at AC Milan, and he was tagged as a future Player of the Year winner.  However, he was derailed by a series of minor injuries that most players bounce back from fairly quickly, never to be seen on the international stage again.  The fact that Puli took so long to recover his form at Dortmund raises the specter that he might be another Pato--prone to injury and less able to recover.    

Right now,I think his biggest problem is people like me.  Here I am, a Dortmund fan, lurking about on a Chelsea fan forum just because one american plays there.  Unlike other nations, Puli is virtually the sole focus of attention, and the pressure for him to be the savior of American soccer football is immense.  I cant help but wonder if that is getting to him as other than the Super Cup, he has been more tentative and played with less enthusiasm, than he ever was at Dortmund.  

For me, Pulisic problem in epl has nothing to do with mental. It is simply physical. He is too weak right now, just watch salah and mane. They can shield the ball with their body easily. That is what it take to be top winger in epl.

 

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27 minutes ago, communicate said:

For me, Pulisic problem in epl has nothing to do with mental. It is simply physical. He is too weak right now, just watch salah and mane. They can shield the ball with their body easily. That is what it take to be top winger in epl.

 

That problem can be fix easy be doing Strength training :D 

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If Pulisic and CHO both come good, with their pace they can be a devastating duo like Mane and Salah. I still believe Pulisic has a chance to fulfill his potential here. Though, I doubt his problems are purely physical. He does look a bit tense and desperate with his final ball. But his movement has been good and he does well to get into the positions. He is definitely feeling the pressure so Lamps has no choice to use him sporadically so far as he still does not really play well with the team which surprises me given how spectacular his form was in pre-season. I guess it is a combination of both, getting used to the rigor of the PL and finding his feet in this new situation for him. But he is obviously a hard worker, a down-to-earth character, I am sure he will manage. 

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CHO seems calm and smooth in big moments. Pulisic seems tight and pushing too hard, he is also taking near impossible angles on goal. He will adjust or move or be moved on. He has been given a fair opportunity, that is all that anyone can ask.

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On 26/09/2019 at 0:31 AM, Tomo said:

that he has a lot of talent and the idea of him is great

What is the idea of Pulisic? What sort of player does he become? Struggling to see it a little bit tbh. Free to change my mind though of course...

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9 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

What is the idea of Pulisic? What sort of player does he become? Struggling to see it a little bit tbh. Free to change my mind though of course...

In layman's terms what we saw against Liverpool in Istanbul and Salzburg in pre season consistently. I thought he was a joy to watch in those games.

Problem is it looks like we're only getting that version one game in ten.

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

In layman's terms what we saw against Liverpool in Istanbul and Salzburg in pre season consistently. I thought he was a joy to watch in those games.

Problem is it looks like we're only getting that version one game in ten.

The problem in instanbul and against Salzburg he was playing high making run behind on the left hand side. 

If you want him to do that, you have to drop Mount. Mount is lamp favorite so not going to happen. 

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