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10. Christian Pulisic


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6 minutes ago, Jason said:

Right now? Maybe not. But Willian has been the finished article for years and he remains infuriatingly inconsistent. How many more excuses are people gonna come up with?

What excuses? Seems you can't even be as much as neutral regarding Willian these days without being branded an apologist. I was never that huge a fan of Willian even when he was all the range but the scapegoating at this point is getting ridiculous, in pre season I read someone criticize him for having the cheek to take his entitled holiday.

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What a lovely little ball for the 4th that was.

Read an article today that shows at present his productivity with and without the ball is overall pretty poor compared to the other players in his position. He averages fewer tackles per 90 mins

Everyone has their opinion and I respect that but I just find his apprehension (if that's the right word) towards Pulisic somewhat bemusing. Loan him out to learn his trade? Really? If Pulisic was som

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7 hours ago, BlueLion. said:

At the same time, in the past three games, Willian has been our best attacking player in my humble opinion (and this is coming from someone who absolutely does not rate Willian!). 

Define "best" here. For all of Willian's ability to dribble with the ball from deep, get it into dangerous areas, but his final ball has continued to be horrendous overall year in year out. This is becoming like the time when people are praising Torres for working hard despite contributing next to no goals!

It's still early in the season but 10 of the 14 goals we've scored have come from a 20-year-old and 21-year-old. The other 4? 1 from a sub player, 1 from the penalty spot and 2 were 'bolt from the blue' strikes. Is that really sustainable? 

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7 minutes ago, Tomo said:

What excuses? Seems you can't even be as much as neutral regarding Willian these days without being branded an apologist. I was never that huge a fan of Willian even when he was all the range but the scapegoating at this point is getting ridiculous, in pre season I read someone criticize him for having the cheek to take his entitled holiday.

I'm not so ridiculous to criticize a player for taking their entitled break etc but every time when it's pointed out that Willian consistently fails to contribute in the final third, others will say 'oh, but he does X, Y, Z to help the team' despite playing in a position that requires G and A contribution on a consistent basis. Hell, he can't even make proper decisions! Isn't that like entering the Torres territory? But if people are okay with having an inconsistent player remain in the XI, then by all means...

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17 hours ago, Jason said:

I'm not so ridiculous to criticize a player for taking their entitled break etc but every time when it's pointed out that Willian consistently fails to contribute in the final third, others will say 'oh, but he does X, Y, Z to help the team' despite playing in a position that requires G and A contribution on a consistent basis. Hell, he can't even make proper decisions! Isn't that like entering the Torres territory? But if people are okay with having an inconsistent player remain in the XI, then by all means...

Legit critism fine, it's comments like "HAHAHAHAHA Willians better at doing nothing" I take issue with and the fact that post has enough likes for the heart feature to appear on the top makes it even worse.

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4 hours ago, Jason said:

You criticized the keeper for defying the manager but seemingly turned a blind eye on the player who disrespected the manager who won 2 trophies with us on social media OR who decided to go for personal glory with the late penalty last week? Sounds fair...

Willian had been here long enough for a connection to have been formed on my part. When Kepa pulled that shit on Sarri he was still a new boy, theoretically.

 

If he had his way we probably would have scored that penalty too, but thats neither here nor there. Jorginho was confused as well, and that comes down to the manager not being clear on roles with the players beforehand.

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6 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Willian had been here long enough for a connection to have been formed on my part. When Kepa pulled that shit on Sarri he was still a new boy, theoretically.

If he had his way we probably would have scored that penalty too, but thats neither here nor there. Jorginho was confused as well, and that comes down to the manager not being clear on roles with the players beforehand.

So in other words, if a player has been at a club long enough, he can do whatever he wants including disrespecting the manager? Ookay...

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2 hours ago, Jason said:

So in other words, if a player has been at a club long enough, he can do whatever he wants including disrespecting the manager? Ookay...

No, but he gets more of a pass than the guy nobody even knows by rational actors.

 

Kepa going for personal glory last season almost certainly cost us a trophy, and he gets nowhere near the same vitriol Willian gets. He's damn near the definition of club cancer but if you look on here you think it was Willian that was the biggest issue in the dressing room.

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16 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

No, but he gets more of a pass than the guy nobody even knows by rational actors.

Kepa going for personal glory last season almost certainly cost us a trophy, and he gets nowhere near the same vitriol Willian gets. He's damn near the definition of club cancer but if you look on here you think it was Willian that was the biggest issue in the dressing room.

That’s just nonsense double standard. Why does reputation matter? Disrespect is disrespect. If you’re gonna criticize someone for being disrespectful, then it should be applied across the board, not picking and choosing to condemn. What Kepa did may not have been right but at least he owned up to it. What did Willian do? Blamed it on his defenseless children!

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13 hours ago, Jason said:

That’s just nonsense double standard. Why does reputation matter? Disrespect is disrespect. If you’re gonna criticize someone for being disrespectful, then it should be applied across the board, not picking and choosing to condemn. What Kepa did may not have been right but at least he owned up to it. What did Willian do? Blamed it on his defenseless children!

Of course reputation matters. Why do you think Lampard is manager of this club right now?

 

It(being condemnation) is not applied across the board though. One look at Kepa's topic and then Willians shows that. Conte was hated by damn near everybody on here, and was two managers ago, and that is still the sum of his character by some on here. That is an unfair standard.

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14 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Of course reputation matters. Why do you think Lampard is manager of this club right now?

 

It(being condemnation) is not applied across the board though. One look at Kepa's topic and then Willians shows that. Conte was hated by damn near everybody on here, and was two managers ago, and that is still the sum of his character by some on here. That is an unfair standard.

Was Conte really hated? I thought the excuses created for him at one point (second half of second season) in some quarters was only topped by the one's for Torres.

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2 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Was Conte really hated? I thought the excuses created for him at one point (second half of second season) in some quarters was only topped by the one's for Torres.

He certainly wasnt loved. Especially around the time Costa was thanked for the "seasono", and the most gutless coaching display ever seen when we didnt even try to do anything against Manchester City. Vast majority on here at least were happy to see the back of him

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No matter if he ends up good or not, there will always be "we should have paid 30m more to get Sancho". Because Sancho is also english, will be and is better player and looks like perfect Hazard replacement. 

This comment will likely get alot of hate though.

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5 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

No matter if he ends up good or not, there will always be "we should have paid 30m more to get Sancho". Because Sancho is also english, will be and is better player and looks like perfect Hazard replacement. 

This comment will likely get alot of hate though.

Not really because Sancho will sign for us in around 10 months :P

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8 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

No matter if he ends up good or not, there will always be "we should have paid 30m more to get Sancho". Because Sancho is also english, will be and is better player and looks like perfect Hazard replacement. 

This comment will likely get alot of hate though.

Sancho wasn't available last summer for any price and certainly not on a buy in January to loan back basis like we would have had to do due to the ban.

We may still go for Sancho if/when he becomes available.

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7 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

No matter if he ends up good or not, there will always be "we should have paid 30m more to get Sancho". Because Sancho is also english, will be and is better player and looks like perfect Hazard replacement. 

This comment will likely get alot of hate though.

Dortmund will laugh at you with 60m bid. For Sancho they will want at least double of that. 

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Sancho wasn't available last summer for any price and certainly not on a buy in January to loan back basis like we would have had to do due to the ban.
We may still go for Sancho if/when he becomes available.
Players are normally always available at Dortmund for a price. Just look at Dembele as the prime example.

Sancho would command £125m+.
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As for Pulisic he reminds me a bit of Loftus before last season.

Not in style (obviously) but in the sense that he has a lot of talent and the idea of him is great but it's currently not really translating into reality.

Hopefully at some point it comes together for Christian like it did for Ruben.

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Just now, LAM09 said:

Players are normally always available at Dortmund for a price. Just look at Dembele as the prime example.

Sancho would command £125m+.

Even so, at that point (six months of regular playing time) it would have been crazy to drop that much on him, but I'm still not that convinced they would have sold him so soon (given it looked like he was dragging them to the title at the point we went for Christian) and even if they would, I don't think he would have left, certainly not for us at a time the uncertainty around his best mate Odoi was at it's peak.

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1 minute ago, LAM09 said:

Players are normally always available at Dortmund for a price. Just look at Dembele as the prime example

Indeed but Dembele has sure gone off the rails at Barcelona.

2 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Sancho would command £125m+

With that ugly beard of his, he’s not even worth that much! :ph34r:

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