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[OneMoSalah 8,886]

1 minute ago, Vesper said:

Jorfinho has massively regressed. The EPL has sussed him out BIG TIME. 

Ralph Hasenhüttl is just one of many great tactical managers here. They know how to neutralise.

 

Think massively regressed is a bit of an overstatement. He is a good player, many here at the start of the season rated him as one of the best in his position in the PL etc so I find it hard to believe hes massively regressed even when not playing as well as he has before. He loses the ball every now and then but he was doing that at the start of the season too. We were just brainless in the final third to Cesc got involved. See a lot of things about relying on Hazard but the amount of pointless backheels and flicks he did tonight that conceded possession pissed me off more than Jorginhos perfromance in particular, half of them were needless. We can keep the ball well in the middle third but him, Ruben and Barkley 2nd half were very ineffective and made the wrong decision at times in the final third. Morata as well although unfortunate for his goal offered little. Id be more concerned with the bluntness of our attack than the base of midfield at the moment. Kante again showing everyone he is more than just a destroyer again. Id be more concerned if Kante was to leave this summer.

[LAM09 7,056]

Trying to play quick, incisive passing game and we have Alonso, Morata, Willian and Barkley starting games week after week.[emoji38]

You have to start questioning the manager when a few options are there. CHO/Pedro & Emerson should be nailed on, if he wants that.

 

Constant blame on players performances wear thin. A CF is the only thing we really need (not according to the manager) should Sarri decide to use his SQUAD.

 

[Tomo 21,751]

2 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Apparently Serie a is super tactical and all. But they didnt figure out Jorginho in five seasons. He comes to england and every manager knows how to shut him down in 3 months.

Sarri is doing one big mistake here if he doesnt fix Jorginho and still play him.

The thing is, Jorginho isn't being shut down, far from it. He's doing his job just fine, he's always makes himself available for the pass when his team mates are under pressure (which saves a lot of dispossession in dangerous areas) and keeps things ticking over in the middle, it's what's happening infront of him that's the problem.

There's many issues that need solving in this side but Jorginho isn't one of them.

[El P. 1,354]

7 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Don't think he was figured out here. He had loads of time on the ball as usual but over and over he looks up and sees zero movement and is forced to pass sideways or backwards. Continuously saw him show frustration that no passes forward were on.

Exactly, he could have done better, but was better than the most. He is keeping the possession very well, he is actually solid dribbler and is ok in defence.

[Milan 17,957]

Oh right, we have the Cup semifinal with Tottenham coming really soon. Bloody hell that will be juicy on more levels. Firstly, we will get spanked by them, and then we will get hurt in the League because of another high pressing game. Under a manager who does not change or rotate a bit. Exciting !!!!!

[Vesper 30,185]

17 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Didn't he leave City to avoid just that?

Maybe now he goes starter for SOTON. I can only spot talent, the rest is up to our board. (not like they give a fook bout my opinion)

[Pizy 18,916]

Will be very difficult to convince Hazard to stay if we do finish top 4. It will be impossible if we don't. Imagine how huge of a step back we would take if he left. Fucking hell. 

We MUST find a way to improve and stave off Arse and United or we will be royally fucked for years.

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, Pizy said:

Will be very difficult to convince Hazard to stay if we do finish top 4. It will be impossible if we don't. Imagine how huge of a step back we would take if he left. Fucking hell. 

We MUST find a way to improve and stave off Arse and United or we will be royally fucked for years.

Not finishing in the top 4 will mean fuck all if Real don't come calling. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

1 minute ago, Tomo said:

The thing is, Jorginho isn't being shut down, far from it. He's doing his job just fine, he's always makes himself available for the pass when his team mates are under pressure (which saves a lot of dispossession in dangerous areas) and keeps things ticking over in the middle, it's what's happening infront of him that's the problem.

There's many issues that need solving in this side but Jorginho isn't one of them.

Well he is there just so we can rotate the ball and keep possesion.

When in reality he should be here to allow us play football to a point that can help us win games. 

What is the point of playing possession football if the result is no wins, no chances, no goals and players playing out of position?

He was brought to improve us. To help Sarri play his football. But right now, all we have is more problems than solutions. 

We shifted Kante to side too. You better be fucking great to justify changes like that. 

We are just playing posseesion football for the sake of playing possession football. What we have to do is adress the problems, accommodate playing style to the players in the squad and bring some reinforcements to complement the team. Not shift everyone out of their ideal position and regress even further.

Our goal is to win games and score goals. Not possession and passing. Sure it should go hand in hand, but its clearly not. 

And if the board was so hell bent on getting Jorginho because he is "crucial" to Sarri system, well so are the fullbacks, striker and wingers. You cant play Sarriball with Alonso. Or Willian. Or Morata. 

But hey striker isnt important right now. As long as we paid 60m on midfielder who is crucial to this system that is clearly not working for months. 

[Laylabelle 9,535]

6 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Will be very difficult to convince Hazard to stay if we do finish top 4. It will be impossible if we don't. Imagine how huge of a step back we would take if he left. Fucking hell. 

We MUST find a way to improve and stave off Arse and United or we will be royally fucked for years.

Finishing below Arsenal could just about handle.. Man U however... Nope!!! Yet 6 points isn't that much way we're going. And for us and Arsenal 3 with them to play even less. They can't defend but we can't score.. So that may not be that great for us

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

4 minutes ago, Tomo said:

The thing is, Jorginho isn't being shut down, far from it. He's doing his job just fine, he's always makes himself available for the pass when his team mates are under pressure (which saves a lot of dispossession in dangerous areas) and keeps things ticking over in the middle, it's what's happening infront of him that's the problem.

There's many issues that need solving in this side but Jorginho isn't one of them.

Well it's why Guardiola wanted him so bad. The difference between Guardiola and other managers is that when one of his players has the ball, you can see others helping him, sprinting towards him to make themselves available for the pass and others making runs in behind. The thing is the guy with the ball in a Guardiola team has so many options to pass because others are ready for the next move immediately as someone has got the ball. Here at Chelsea I see nobody apart from Hazard making any runs in behind... And what the hell is wrong with the full backs, did they forget to overlap??? You see Salah and Mane, they are no wingers when Liverpool have the ball, they are pure inside forwards just because Robertson and Alexander Arnold are basically taking the winger role. We're taking no advantage of this area... Don't get me started on Azpilicueta. Top defender, but attacking wise... Useless! 

[Vesper 30,185]

1 minute ago, petre.ispirescu said:

Well it's why Guardiola wanted him so bad. The difference between Guardiola and other managers is that when one of his players has the ball, you can see others helping him, sprinting towards him to make themselves available for the pass and others making runs in behind. The thing is the guy with the ball in a Guardiola team has so many options to pass because others are ready for the next move immediately as someone has got the ball. Here at Chelsea I see nobody apart from Hazard making any runs in behind... And what the hell is wrong with the full backs, did they forget to overlap??? You see Salah and Mane, they are no wingers when Liverpool have the ball, they are pure inside forwards just because Robertson and Alexander Arnold are basically taking the winger role. We're taking no advantage of this area... Don't get me started on Azpilicueta. Top defender, but attacking wise... Useless! 

Brilliant comment

[El P. 1,354]

8 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

We are just playing posseesion football for the sake of playing possession football. What we have to do is adress the problems, accommodate playing style to the players in the squad and bring some reinforcements to complement the team. Not shift everyone out of their ideal position and regress even further.

Our goal is to win games and score goals. Not possession and passing. Sure it should go hand in hand, but its clearly not. 

And if the board was so hell bent on getting Jorginho because he is "crucial" to Sarri system, well so are the fullbacks, striker and wingers. You cant play Sarriball with Alonso. Or Willian. Or Morata. 

But hey striker isnt important right now. As long as we paid 60m on midfielder who is crucial to this system that is clearly not working for months. 

We are playing possession football for Barkley, Willian, Morata, and even Alonso to f*cking materialise on it. Point finger at them.

People are actually not hating Jorginho, they are hating Sarri and his football.

[Alabama 1,992]

1 minute ago, petre.ispirescu said:

Well it's why Guardiola wanted him so bad. The difference between Guardiola and other managers is that when one of his players has the ball, you can see others helping him, sprinting towards him to make themselves available for the pass and others making runs in behind. The thing is the guy with the ball in a Guardiola team has so many options to pass because others are ready for the next move immediately as someone has got the ball. Here at Chelsea I see nobody apart from Hazard making any runs in behind... And what the hell is wrong with the full backs, did they forget to overlap??? You see Salah and Mane, they are no wingers when Liverpool have the ball, they are pure inside forwards just because Robertson and Alexander Arnold are basically taking the winger role. We're taking no advantage of this area... Don't get me started on Azpilicueta. Top defender, but attacking wise... Useless! 

Spot on...of all problems we have on pitch right now...Jorginho is none...what is happening right in front of him is the deal...Azpi while not great offensively offers so much defensively but same cannot be said about Alonso who does shit...its a travesty how Sarri keeps persisting with despite his obvious shortcomings...

[BlueLyon 9,359]

8 minutes ago, El P. said:

We are playing possession football for Barkley, Willian, Morata, and even Alonso to f*cking materialise on it. Point finger at them.

People are actually not hating Jorginho, they are hating Sarri and his football.

Exactly. Like Tomo said Jorginho is doing his job.

But what good is it of we do f*ck all with such style of football. 

[El P. 1,354]

Just now, BlueLyon said:

Exactly. Like Tomo said Jorginho is doing his job.

But what good is it of we do f*ck all with such style of football. 

I agree with that. But it's not his fault. It's others' fault.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

34 minutes ago, Stats said:

We really don't need that two legged semi-final against Spurs. Will benefit Arsenal top 4 push losing that QF game to Spurs.

I hope we lose that game. With Sarri adamant on not rotating it's better we go out of the FA Cup and League cup so as to leave us with as few games as possible 

[robsblubot 3,595]

Possession football is as much about defending as it is about attacking. 

Both Luiz and Alonso are great for that style because of their passing (their passing at CP was top notch). Our defense has been looking much better lately, but people will complain. 

we do know the attack is lacking and eden gets tired, and therefore more easily contained.

[manpe 10,861]

25 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Well he is there just so we can rotate the ball and keep possesion.

When in reality he should be here to allow us play football to a point that can help us win games. 

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He was brought to improve us. To help Sarri play his football. But right now, all we have is more problems than solutions. 

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Retaining possession is his primary job, yes. That's why he was brought in and yes, he has improved us in that regard. It does and has helped win us games, because the more possession we have, the more chance there is that we can use it to score. He has never been a scorer or an assister, so if you mean "winning games" solely by direct contribution to goals, then yes, but I'd argue that his indirect contribution to goals has helped us big time. Make no mistake, we'd be struggling much more if we didn't have him and had to go the season with Fabregas and Drinkwater playing his role. Whatever way you look at it, he IS a lot better than any other option we have.

As others have pointed out, once Jorginho's done his job in the bottom 2/3 of the pitch, it's up to the guys in the last 1/3 to make something of it... They don't, they are fulfilling their duties far worse than Jorginho. We are far too static up front.

[Vesper 30,185]

Just now, Robchels said:

Possession football is as much about defending as it is about attacking. 

Both Luiz and Alonso are great for that style because of their passing (their passing at CP was top notch). Our defense has been looking much better lately, but people will complain. 

we do know the attack is lacking and eden gets tired, and therefore more easily contained.

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