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2 hours ago, bakayokofan said:

And? Whats the point of running past players if your end product is 0. What does he give that RLC can't. 

I mean I have made my peace with the fact that he is literally useless. But at least don't try your best to get sent off too specially when the ref is being hopelessly lenient.

CMs shouldn't be judged on "end product", would be like saying ditch Hazard because he can't defend.

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The trio is getting ready!

Wrong.  Typical knee jerk reaction of judging after one game.   

That's not like a 1 season loan player speaks.

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2 hours ago, Tomo said:

CMs shouldn't be judged on "end product", would be like saying ditch Hazard because he can't defend.

Modric scored only 3 goals playing for Madrid. Rakitic only 3 playing for Barcelona. Clubs that will slaughter almost everybody in their leagues. You see this talk about "end product" at any EPL football site  In general in other leagues fans will demand goals/assists only from the front three, because is better line up the midifield with players that can control a football when marked and can dictate the tempo. Not saying that Kovacic os this player yet, but its obvious that when he was subbed off Chelsea lost the midfield to an awful United. This idea of a midfielder scoring a lot of goals is a 4-4-2 mentality and only leads to frustation like Pogba at United. 

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1 minute ago, Hazardinho Gaucho said:

Modric scored only 3 goals playing for Madrid. Rakitic only 3 playing for Barcelona. Clubs that will slaughter almost everybody in their leagues. You see this talk about "end product" at any EPL football site  In general in other leagues fans will demand goals/assists only from the front three, because is better line up the midifield with players that can control a football when marked and can dictate the tempo. Not saying that Kovacic os this player yet, but its obvious that when he was subbed off Chelsea lost the midfield to an awful United. This idea of a midfielder scor

True but they offer purpose or penetration with their passing, which if Kovacic could add would make him a threat because he can carry the ball, beat people and retain it in tight areas. Rakitic is actually a very rounded player probably more than what hes given credit for. Modric is Modric we all know how good he is. Kovacic has the potential to become an excellent player but until he starts doing more with the ball be it goals, assists, being more penetrative/purposeful with his passing... he will never be an elite player. Still think for another season on loan with an option to buy next summer for 25m we should take a gamble. Its been a very up and down season for us and him.

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2 hours ago, Tomo said:

CMs shouldn't be judged on "end product", would be like saying ditch Hazard because he can't defend.

Given the fact that he plays AMF and the fact that the rest of the 2 (the undroppable 2 of Kante and jorginho is their respective positions) don't provide many goals, he most certainly should.

Number of take on don't win games, goals do. Next season we might not have Eden, so who is going to replace 16 PL goals and 13 Pl assists? 

We need a goal scoring AMF who can get into double figures for that position. RLC has shown that he can. Along with it, he shown shown to be a much more potent threat while carrying the ball. 

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13 minutes ago, Hazardinho Gaucho said:

Modric scored only 3 goals playing for Madrid. Rakitic only 3 playing for Barcelona. Clubs that will slaughter almost everybody in their leagues. You see this talk about "end product" at any EPL football site  In general in other leagues fans will demand goals/assists only from the front three, because is better line up the midifield with players that can control a football when marked and can dictate the tempo. Not saying that Kovacic os this player yet, but its obvious that when he was subbed off Chelsea lost the midfield to an awful United. This idea of a midfielder scoring a lot of goals is a 4-4-2 mentality and only leads to frustation like Pogba at United. 

Remove the 50 goals of Cristiano ronaldo from the real Madrid side, and all that dictating the tempo and controlling the ball becomes useless. It's not a co-incidence that RM find themselves in the mess that they are in. 

We are Chelsea, our strikers don't get into double figures in the league (combined). Our wingers (willian and Pedro) are inconsistent at best. Pulisic seems a raw player, but another one who won't get us 20 (at least at the moment, hope he hits the ground running and scores 20 next season). If our midfield trio can't contribute to the goal scoring, where are the goals going to come from?

The position we are talking (AmF), and the situation that we find ourselves in, makes it mandatory that the player is a natural goal scorer. Comparing kovacic to midfielders of Barca and real hardly helps in this scenario given that those midfielders have had the likes of Messi, Suarez, Neymar, ronaldo, bale to do the heavy lifting and get 20+ goals each. 

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13 hours ago, Hazardinho Gaucho said:

Modric scored only 3 goals playing for Madrid. Rakitic only 3 playing for Barcelona. Clubs that will slaughter almost everybody in their leagues. You see this talk about "end product" at any EPL football site  In general in other leagues fans will demand goals/assists only from the front three, because is better line up the midifield with players that can control a football when marked and can dictate the tempo. Not saying that Kovacic os this player yet, but its obvious that when he was subbed off Chelsea lost the midfield to an awful United. This idea of a midfielder scoring a lot of goals is a 4-4-2 mentality and only leads to frustation like Pogba at United. 

I agree but in our team somebody in our midfield need to help us create otherwise we are screwed. We have hazard + one RW. That is it. The rest of them cannot create. Jorginho role is to play ball mover from deep. Kante had done quite well but he is not a natural creator. Both of our fb are useless offensively. Our striker are old target man and old poacher. 

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If Kovacic is not the player to do the job the board need to sign another one with similar skill set. Again, dont you guys saw how became IMPOSSIBLE to start playing from the back with Kovacic out and with RLC in the pitch?? 

 

In the modern tootball we can not hide the weakness of the attack behind goal scorer midfielders. Why? Because if you play goal scorer midfielders you dont have the fecking ball.

 

Its the front three that need to decide every single game. Like Barcelona, Madrid, Liverpool, etc. We can make a case for City midfield. Some of their players there have "end product". But its more due to the colossal superiority in talent. They have the ball all the time in the attack. Those midfielders dont need to be good at defending. Also none of them can put the same performances against top sides in the Champions League. its more a case of being more talented than the opposition the PL than be a model to follow.

 

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And this is why it is folly to compare a Barca midfielder characteristics to a Chelsea midfielder characteristics. Rakitic, Vidal we're abysmal. Got bossed by the pool midfield. Busquets was decent but Barca won 3-0. Cause of one man. Do we have him? Do we have anything close to that? Comparing a front line which has Messi to one which will have higuain/giroud is just stupid.

We need a goal scorer, playing out of the back don't win games, goals do. 

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3 hours ago, bakayokofan said:

And this is why it is folly to compare a Barca midfielder characteristics to a Chelsea midfielder characteristics. Rakitic, Vidal we're abysmal. Got bossed by the pool midfield. Busquets was decent but Barca won 3-0. Cause of one man. Do we have him? Do we have anything close to that? Comparing a front line which has Messi to one which will have higuain/giroud is just stupid.

We need a goal scorer, playing out of the back don't win games, goals do. 

There is only one Messi. With Barcas Kamikaze midfield they would win fuck all if they had any other player than Messi in that position.

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20 hours ago, Jason said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/16/ruben-loftus-cheek-miss-europa-league-final-chelsea-achilles-injury

Club will try to sign Kovacic, if possible (last paragraph in article above).

With ban another loan is good decision I think. But if we can sign players I rather have Rabiot who is available for free.

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Chelsea WILL be able to sign Real Madrid loanee Mateo Kovacic despite FIFA-imposed transfer ban

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7040611/Chelsea-able-sign-Matteo-Kovacic-Gonzalo-Higuain-despite-FIFA-imposed-transfer-ban.html

 

Chelsea begin talks with Kovacic over a permanent deal for next season

https://www.legit.ng/1238972-chelsea-kovacic.html

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22 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

Are we still on this piece of shit?

Fucking hell, just let him go and give mount a shot.


That's a little too harsh, and also too much.

He is not a goalscoring/assisting midfielder, he never was. I don't even understand why this surprised so many Chelsea fans, we shouldn't expect him. He is not a world class player aswell, but most of the season he did a solid job. I like Mount a lot, his forward passing, shooting and dribbling is good to watch but he has to improve a lot in the midfield.

A few weeks ago RLC said that in the beginning of the season Sarri played him as a winger because his defensive work and positioning was not good enough to play on the midfield. He worked a lot and convinced Sarri, at the end of the season he was the nr1 choice. I don't expect Mount to break into the starting eleven under Sarri in the first months either. Playing in the middle of the midfield is not a piece of cake. There are aspects of the game in which Kovacic tops RLC and Mount.

 

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Not sure why people keep comparing Kovacic to Mount. Next season Kovacic is most likely backup for Kante and Jorginho. Mount is backup for RLC as I can't see Sarri playing Mount in the other two positions.

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