1905didierblue 748 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 22 minutes ago, Stats said: Have a conversation rather than doing stupid laughing emojis constantly. I am not downplaying Kante but please, don't exaggerate and say he is performing out of his skin. Yes, he has had to adjust his role slightly but he has been inconsistent. Especially for the hype he is given. He is useful for counter-attacking, however for possession based play Sarri is looking to play, Kovacic sorts that aspect more. Kante is good for recovering lost balls etc. "Piece of turd". Sums you up. Why is he a piece of turd? Because he failed to live up to your expectation. Like I say, his goal output is not good but bar that aside I will keep him. I like him. I am not going to keep going in circles because I have already stated. I get it, you don't like him and curse him consistently. Maybe he stole your girl, I am not sure but agree to disagree. "I like him" the only bit of information that was actually needed. Trying to somehow prove that a player you "like" is good enough when we have a season's worth of evidenxe of how hopelessly he is out of his depth. As for Kante, his role IS to recover the ball. Playing possession football is difficult when you can't have the possession itself. I would again like to end on the kovacic's current situation. A player who has wanted to go out of RM, is being linked with zenit - no big club in the top 5 league wants him, but apparently we should buy him cause "you like him". If you someday take off those kovacic goggles that you are wearing, you might realise that he actually is a "piece of turd " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,145 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, bakayokofan said: "I like him" the only bit of information that was actually needed. Trying to somehow prove that a player you "like" is good enough when we have a season's worth of evidenxe of how hopelessly he is out of his depth. As for Kante, his role IS to recover the ball. Playing possession football is difficult when you can't have the possession itself. I would again like to end on the kovacic's current situation. A player who has wanted to go out of RM, is being linked with zenit - no big club in the top 5 league wants him, but apparently we should buy him cause "you like him". If you someday take off those kovacic goggles that you are wearing, you might realise that he actually is a "piece of turd " Yet your name is "Bakayokofan"?. Some odd guy you are. A player who was poor in his spell here. I don't give a shit if other big clubs don't want him. That is like me saying no other big club wanted Chupo-Moting but PSG ended up with him. LOL. Kante's role is to recover the ball. No it is not. His role is to recover the ball if we lose it. He is playing in a midfield 3 where the team is expected to have good technical quality. Sometimes his ball retention has been poor. I like Kante but I am not going to mask the fact that his season has been inconsistent. Well, I like him and I hope we do exercise that option to keep him. So because a player does not fulfil a footballing expectation, makes him a "piece of turd"? Brilliant logic.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 hours ago, bakayokofan said: Ya, he is worth 25 mil 😂😂😂 Not only is he bang average, but mostly daft as fuck. At one point real wanted £60m for him 😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1905didierblue 748 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, Stats said: Yet your name is "Bakayokofan"?. Some odd guy you are. A player who was poor in his spell here. I don't give a shit if other big clubs don't want him. That is like me saying no other big club wanted Chupo-Moting but PSG ended up with him. LOL. Kante's role is to recover the ball. No it is not. His role is to recover the ball if we lose it. He is playing in a midfield 3 where the team is expected to have good technical quality. Sometimes his ball retention has been poor. I like Kante but I am not going to mask the fact that his season has been inconsistent. Well, I like him and I hope we do exercise that option to keep him. So because a player does not fulfil a footballing expectation, makes him a "piece of turd"? Brilliant logic.... Yes, I "like baka" but don't go on and on about why we should call him back. I call a spade a spade. He was pathetic last year. I don't try to cover it up by blaming players like Kante for his deficiencies. Do I? Well, if the expectation is that you most attacking MF should score some goals to contribute to an anyways poor strike forxe, then yes he is a piece of turd, specially when he has so much time and space made by Eden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1905didierblue 748 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, the wes said: At one point real wanted £60m for him 😂😂😂 I know someone who would have wanted us to pay that amount too. 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 £26m? I'd take him for a backup/rotational role. Not starter unless he improves his productivity on both ends, but for a backup who can cover all 3 positions is not a bad price. I do think he will be better next season if he stays, so he will potentially have great resale value considering his age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 hours ago, bakayokofan said: And? Whats the point of running past players if your end product is 0. What does he give that RLC can't. I mean I have made my peace with the fact that he is literally useless. But at least don't try your best to get sent off too specially when the ref is being hopelessly lenient. CMs shouldn't be judged on "end product", would be like saying ditch Hazard because he can't defend. Stats and communicate 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlen Correa 161 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Tomo said: CMs shouldn't be judged on "end product", would be like saying ditch Hazard because he can't defend. Modric scored only 3 goals playing for Madrid. Rakitic only 3 playing for Barcelona. Clubs that will slaughter almost everybody in their leagues. You see this talk about "end product" at any EPL football site In general in other leagues fans will demand goals/assists only from the front three, because is better line up the midifield with players that can control a football when marked and can dictate the tempo. Not saying that Kovacic os this player yet, but its obvious that when he was subbed off Chelsea lost the midfield to an awful United. This idea of a midfielder scoring a lot of goals is a 4-4-2 mentality and only leads to frustation like Pogba at United. Stats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Hazardinho Gaucho said: Modric scored only 3 goals playing for Madrid. Rakitic only 3 playing for Barcelona. Clubs that will slaughter almost everybody in their leagues. You see this talk about "end product" at any EPL football site In general in other leagues fans will demand goals/assists only from the front three, because is better line up the midifield with players that can control a football when marked and can dictate the tempo. Not saying that Kovacic os this player yet, but its obvious that when he was subbed off Chelsea lost the midfield to an awful United. This idea of a midfielder scor True but they offer purpose or penetration with their passing, which if Kovacic could add would make him a threat because he can carry the ball, beat people and retain it in tight areas. Rakitic is actually a very rounded player probably more than what hes given credit for. Modric is Modric we all know how good he is. Kovacic has the potential to become an excellent player but until he starts doing more with the ball be it goals, assists, being more penetrative/purposeful with his passing... he will never be an elite player. Still think for another season on loan with an option to buy next summer for 25m we should take a gamble. Its been a very up and down season for us and him. Stats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1905didierblue 748 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Tomo said: CMs shouldn't be judged on "end product", would be like saying ditch Hazard because he can't defend. Given the fact that he plays AMF and the fact that the rest of the 2 (the undroppable 2 of Kante and jorginho is their respective positions) don't provide many goals, he most certainly should. Number of take on don't win games, goals do. Next season we might not have Eden, so who is going to replace 16 PL goals and 13 Pl assists? We need a goal scoring AMF who can get into double figures for that position. RLC has shown that he can. Along with it, he shown shown to be a much more potent threat while carrying the ball. Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1905didierblue 748 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, Hazardinho Gaucho said: Modric scored only 3 goals playing for Madrid. Rakitic only 3 playing for Barcelona. Clubs that will slaughter almost everybody in their leagues. You see this talk about "end product" at any EPL football site In general in other leagues fans will demand goals/assists only from the front three, because is better line up the midifield with players that can control a football when marked and can dictate the tempo. Not saying that Kovacic os this player yet, but its obvious that when he was subbed off Chelsea lost the midfield to an awful United. This idea of a midfielder scoring a lot of goals is a 4-4-2 mentality and only leads to frustation like Pogba at United. Remove the 50 goals of Cristiano ronaldo from the real Madrid side, and all that dictating the tempo and controlling the ball becomes useless. It's not a co-incidence that RM find themselves in the mess that they are in. We are Chelsea, our strikers don't get into double figures in the league (combined). Our wingers (willian and Pedro) are inconsistent at best. Pulisic seems a raw player, but another one who won't get us 20 (at least at the moment, hope he hits the ground running and scores 20 next season). If our midfield trio can't contribute to the goal scoring, where are the goals going to come from? The position we are talking (AmF), and the situation that we find ourselves in, makes it mandatory that the player is a natural goal scorer. Comparing kovacic to midfielders of Barca and real hardly helps in this scenario given that those midfielders have had the likes of Messi, Suarez, Neymar, ronaldo, bale to do the heavy lifting and get 20+ goals each. manpe, Johnnyeye, DYC. and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 13 hours ago, Hazardinho Gaucho said: Modric scored only 3 goals playing for Madrid. Rakitic only 3 playing for Barcelona. Clubs that will slaughter almost everybody in their leagues. You see this talk about "end product" at any EPL football site In general in other leagues fans will demand goals/assists only from the front three, because is better line up the midifield with players that can control a football when marked and can dictate the tempo. Not saying that Kovacic os this player yet, but its obvious that when he was subbed off Chelsea lost the midfield to an awful United. This idea of a midfielder scoring a lot of goals is a 4-4-2 mentality and only leads to frustation like Pogba at United. I agree but in our team somebody in our midfield need to help us create otherwise we are screwed. We have hazard + one RW. That is it. The rest of them cannot create. Jorginho role is to play ball mover from deep. Kante had done quite well but he is not a natural creator. Both of our fb are useless offensively. Our striker are old target man and old poacher. 1905didierblue, DYC. and manpe 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlen Correa 161 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 If Kovacic is not the player to do the job the board need to sign another one with similar skill set. Again, dont you guys saw how became IMPOSSIBLE to start playing from the back with Kovacic out and with RLC in the pitch??  In the modern tootball we can not hide the weakness of the attack behind goal scorer midfielders. Why? Because if you play goal scorer midfielders you dont have the fecking ball.  Its the front three that need to decide every single game. Like Barcelona, Madrid, Liverpool, etc. We can make a case for City midfield. Some of their players there have "end product". But its more due to the colossal superiority in talent. They have the ball all the time in the attack. Those midfielders dont need to be good at defending. Also none of them can put the same performances against top sides in the Champions League. its more a case of being more talented than the opposition the PL than be a model to follow.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1905didierblue 748 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 And this is why it is folly to compare a Barca midfielder characteristics to a Chelsea midfielder characteristics. Rakitic, Vidal we're abysmal. Got bossed by the pool midfield. Busquets was decent but Barca won 3-0. Cause of one man. Do we have him? Do we have anything close to that? Comparing a front line which has Messi to one which will have higuain/giroud is just stupid. We need a goal scorer, playing out of the back don't win games, goals do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 3 hours ago, bakayokofan said: And this is why it is folly to compare a Barca midfielder characteristics to a Chelsea midfielder characteristics. Rakitic, Vidal we're abysmal. Got bossed by the pool midfield. Busquets was decent but Barca won 3-0. Cause of one man. Do we have him? Do we have anything close to that? Comparing a front line which has Messi to one which will have higuain/giroud is just stupid. We need a goal scorer, playing out of the back don't win games, goals do. There is only one Messi. With Barcas Kamikaze midfield they would win fuck all if they had any other player than Messi in that position. 1905didierblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1905didierblue 748 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 Seriously is useless. Piece of shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/16/ruben-loftus-cheek-miss-europa-league-final-chelsea-achilles-injury Club will try to sign Kovacic, if possible (last paragraph in article above). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,056 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/16/ruben-loftus-cheek-miss-europa-league-final-chelsea-achilles-injury Club will try to sign Kovacic, if possible (last paragraph in article above).Money down the drain again 1905didierblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,324 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 20 hours ago, Jason said: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/16/ruben-loftus-cheek-miss-europa-league-final-chelsea-achilles-injury Club will try to sign Kovacic, if possible (last paragraph in article above). With ban another loan is good decision I think. But if we can sign players I rather have Rabiot who is available for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,187 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Chelsea WILL be able to sign Real Madrid loanee Mateo Kovacic despite FIFA-imposed transfer ban https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7040611/Chelsea-able-sign-Matteo-Kovacic-Gonzalo-Higuain-despite-FIFA-imposed-transfer-ban.html  Chelsea begin talks with Kovacic over a permanent deal for next season https://www.legit.ng/1238972-chelsea-kovacic.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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