Jorginho

[MoroccanBlue 5,198]

Some of his challenges weren't even yellow card offences. 

[NikkiCFC 7,582]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

He's on 4 yellow cards in the league, by the way. Get one more and he'll have to serve a one-match suspension...unless he somehow avoids one till the end of the year. 

We have big squad, we are flexible with formations, no problem here. Kovacic started last four matches on the bench. 

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Just now, NikkiCFC said:

We have big squad, we are flexible with formations, no problem here. Kovacic started last four matches on the bench. 

#justsayin

[NikkiCFC 7,582]

He is our vital player. People need to understand this. Stats don't show much in his case. For instance today he had influence in all four goals. If you look at the scoreboard you will see four different names for goals and four more names for players who made assists. You won't see Jorginho's name but he won the ball for first goal, gave the ball to Willian for second, great pass to Alonso for third and also pass to Michy for fourth goal. Also savad clear goal after Tomori mistake. Leader on the pitch, so vocal. Frank recognised this and that's why he promoted him to vice captain. I never criticized him last season because I knew he was a victim of the system and players around him who didn't cope very well with Sarriball. 🤙

[Pizy 17,860]

I love him. But my goodness do I close my eyes and pray every time he makes a sliding tackle 😂. He's so bad at that particular thing. Seems like that's how he picks up all his yellow cards. Sprinting full bore at someone and sliding in. I always think to myself "please don't be red, please don't be red." They always look terrible in real time but not as bad on replay.

But yeah, he's the heartbeat of the team. He doesn't quite have that killer long pass that Cesc had and doesn't carry any kind of goal threat but he's much more of a midfield general. He totally controls the game. Probably the closest player to Busquets out there.

[Vytis33 1,043]

11 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

A lot of people thought his career will take a nose dive once Sarri leaves, but I think he's rejuvenated under Lampard. Fantastic today

Born leader this lad.  From the time he started here under Sarri directing traffic every game.  Just wish he had a bit more pace.  Vice captain well deserved even in his short time at the club.

[the wes 7,212]

Jorginho would be in double figures in assists if his teammates didn't let him down with their poor finishing 

[OneMoSalah 8,614]

5 hours ago, the wes said:

Jorginho would be in double figures in assists if his teammates didn't let him down with their poor finishing 

Again come the end of the season, the majority of these pundits will change their tune. Personally I think Jorginho was doing things last season in phases that he is doing now, creating good chances, recovering balls, making interceptions despite his defensive side of his game being critically analysed almost every 2nd week by folk like Rio Ferdinand, who lets no forget as good a defender and player as he was, has said some ridiculous things like United are back under Ole after an inevitable bounce period that most top clubs get with new managers who haven't alienated half of a temperamental squad. I don't think Sarri's stubbornness and insistence on playing him every week helped as well as it being a first season in a different league among other things but he got a lot of stick which was undeserved and I won't forget when he got boo'd by the fans either which I think is a disgrace by all accounts. 

The whole 2000 passes and 0 assists comment last year was one of the fucking stupidest things I think I have ever heard. I mean its obvious hes not a number 10 or a box to box midfielder or winger so why was his assists a huge topic of interest? Even then out of those 2000 passes probably 2/3s went forward and undoubtedly a percentage of these led to chances or key passes prior to a chance being created. I mean how many chances did Jorginho set Higuain, Morata, Willian, Eden, Pedro etc up for last season that they fucked? Its absolutely baffling. I mean the numbers don't look great but stats can be misleading, it maybe looked like he was just passing it square at every opportunity but once you get into the games and watch them, he wasn't just passing square. Anyways, a number 6 in a 433 isn't there to score a hattrick every week or assist 20 goals a season either. I mean even then when Cesc left he said in an interview that Sarri stopped having players run beyond the striker, I don't think it is any coincidence that Jorginho started to get criticised for passing sideways and backwards after that period, when the likes of Barkley or Kovacic stopped running ahead of the midfield like they did in games vs Arsenal, Southampton, whoever else early doors. I watched Newcastle v United the other day, they lined up with Mata as a number 10 and I see a similar situation albeit different positions. No third man runs, everything short and to feet, predictable. I mean how many times did we see David Luiz kick long diagonals to Pedro last season? Other than Pedro who else did that when we hit a bad run of form and performances? 

People also talk about passing range, you don't need to be able to pass the ball 50 or 60m if you can create a chance by passing it 20m or play a key pass that is 5-10m . I honestly don't understand people must think that he has to be playing these sweeping hollywood passes every 2nd pass like Charlie Adam used to do for Blackpool and Liverpool, absolutely unnecessarily at times. There's a member on here we were debating about his passing range, the likes of Alonso and Pirlo came up who were top class players and perhaps unfair to compare many midfielders to, where or not his range is good or bad or okay or not okay etc but like many folk on here, I watch a of other European games when I can as well and you don't always see Verratti, Thiago, Pjanic, Modric, Kroos, Busquets etc passing the ball longer than 30m  more than on average four or five times in a lot of games because all these teams like to play quick, short passes into attacking players and they always seem to have forward movement and good options off the ball. 

I just think the whole Sarriball thing didn't help him, it was very uncompromising and unvaried in how the team would approach the games even when it was going well but for me, you can see in any system with any manager he is a top player. 

[the wes 7,212]

Mason Mount lauds influence of Chelsea teammate Jorginho: ‘He’s had a massive effect on me’

https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/mason-mount-lauds-influence-of-chelsea-teammate-jorginho-hes-had-a-massive-effect-on-me/

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[NikkiCFC 7,582]

🤙

[Vesper 27,310]

he scored the winning goal on a pen tonight for Italy v Greece

https://yfl.upclips.online/player/html/q2wM38guNH?popup=yes&autoplay=1

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[Tomo 21,681]

Everyone says he improved so much but I don't see it, he was already very good. The only reason people (some fans and especially pundits) are starting to acknowledge his class is because Lampard done the very awkward thing of playing him and Kante in the exact same positions Sarri did, meaning it's easier to say he improved as opposed to admit Sarri was right all along.

[Jase 43,479]

34 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Everyone says he improved so much but I don't see it, he was already very good. The only reason people (some fans and especially pundits) are starting to acknowledge his class is because Lampard done the very awkward thing of playing him and Kante in the exact same positions Sarri did, meaning it's easier to say he improved as opposed to admit Sarri was right all along.

The debate about Kante's position is the most hilarious one. All that rage about Sarri playing Kante further forward and now Lampard is doing the same and not a word has been said.  

[Vesper 27,310]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

Everyone says he improved so much but I don't see it, he was already very good. The only reason people (some fans and especially pundits) are starting to acknowledge his class is because Lampard done the very awkward thing of playing him and Kante in the exact same positions Sarri did, meaning it's easier to say he improved as opposed to admit Sarri was right all along.

Sarri greatly improved Kante's all-round game,and now Lamps is doing the same for Jorginho

it isn't rocket science

and Kante, even though he has never been truly healthy yet this year, has been allowed to go back and be a bit more of a disruptor

Rudiger and Emerson coming back fit  and Reece developing and playing more will help our defence loads, as will a fully fit Kante, and eventually Reece supplanting Azpi

next summer we need to grab a WC (top 7 to 10) CB and WC LB, bin Zouma, bin Alonso, bin Azpi (buy a decent backup RB or maybe just keep Azpi, I am not arsed so much as long as Reece blows up), grab a WC winger or two (depending on how Pulisic and CHO are doing, plus Willian and Pedro need to be (one for sure) shit canned), decide on Bats, and if thumbs down, grab Dembele from Lyon

and last but not least, bin Barkley and grab a great young DMF instead ...........Eduardo Camavinga would be an insanely good buy there (if he tracks out as it looks, he is an eventual first team or 2nd team all world XI someday, the lad is Mbappe level young freak  good almost, albeit at a different position and different skillset, or go for Florentino from Benfica (Shitty want him BAD) OR go the vet route and pull Thomas from Atleti (every time I see him he is close to the best player on the pitch, one of the most underrated superstars in global footie, streets beyond Casemiro IMHO, and I rate Casemiro a bit)

again, not rocket science, none of it is

and we will have at a bare minimum 400 to 450m fucking quid stacked up to do it, and potentially closer to or over £500m if we play the old cards right

 

[communicate 2,703]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

Everyone says he improved so much but I don't see it, he was already very good. The only reason people (some fans and especially pundits) are starting to acknowledge his class is because Lampard done the very awkward thing of playing him and Kante in the exact same positions Sarri did, meaning it's easier to say he improved as opposed to admit Sarri was right all along.

This. Last year everyone complained that Jorginho cannot defend yet this season lamp played him in double pivot. I don't hear any criticism at all. It is just bizzare.