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6 hours ago, Stats said:

Loads of teams will. Because too many teams will be focused on containing our attacking force so they won't want to press and leave gaps, so generally Jorginho will dominate most games he plays, especially at home.

In theory, that may happen but we won't know for sure until we play more teams/games. Not every team is gonna be as obliging as Hodgson's Palace - sitting back with two banks of four and not bothered to press aggressively etc. 

And we saw what happened at Spurs in midweek. In the first half, Spurs just sat off us, defended deep and Jorginho and Kovacic looked comfortable and we controlled the game but in the second half, when they started to be more aggressive and press higher up the field, those two struggled. 

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Part of me desperately want to see the people suffer a meltdown over Jorginho had he gone to Man City and done well under Guardiola. Those same fellas who are criticizing now would be the same ones ba

I'm fuckin ashamed at peeps booing Jorgi. Call themselves supporters. Why the fuck does he get singled out when all the other cunts play shit useless too? Such selective memories of some! I'm gon

He’s made the most forward passes in the PL so this is rubbish. Open up your mind, expand your football knowledge. Learn the regista role and what it’s meant to do, it’s function in a team. 

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Jorginho is not world-class but I hope we won't sell him or loan it out. We will have many games to play this season, almost 2 games a week on average and we'll need him to rotate with Kovacic, Kanté, and if injuries the situation could be worst. Instead loan out RLC.

 

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5 hours ago, Jason said:

In theory, that may happen but we won't know for sure until we play more teams/games. Not every team is gonna be as obliging as Hodgson's Palace - sitting back with two banks of four and not bothered to press aggressively etc. 

And we saw what happened at Spurs in midweek. In the first half, Spurs just sat off us, defended deep and Jorginho and Kovacic looked comfortable and we controlled the game but in the second half, when they started to be more aggressive and press higher up the field, those two struggled. 

Yep, but I think he has shown enough in his time here that he is a really valuable squad player. We don't have anyone like him who can dictate the game the way he does so comfortably. For instance last season when we were 1-0 down to Arsenal last season and we couldn't get control of the game as we had no one who was assured in possession. Lamps brought Jorginho on during the first half and as soon as he came on, he changed that game. We controlled it. Would be ludicrous to let him go.

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Kinda funny to read how shit he is and he shouldn't be playing here, then a sniff of another club and its the complete opposite lmao.

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2 hours ago, BluesMadLad said:

Kinda funny to read how shit he is and he shouldn't be playing here, then a sniff of another club and its the complete opposite lmao.

tbf most of our players are extremely inconsistent and people in general search for simple solutions so alternating between "he is shit, sell him" and "we must keep him, he is useful" is quite a natural reaction. So lets not be too judgemental here. I think it is fair to say that Jorginho is quite good at what he does but overall rather limited so there will be games where he is completely useless and some where he will be bossing it. Given we did not bring a mdifielder and loaned out a few it would be madness to sell him right now, esp to a rival but at the same time we have to be looking out for a long-term upgrade.

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Definitely wouldn't lose sleep if he left us, I though it was pretty classless from him not to give the penalty to Werner to get his monkey of his back and score his first PL goal, it was already 3-0 up.

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11 minutes ago, R2D2 said:

Definitely wouldn't lose sleep if he left us, I though it was pretty classless from him not to give the penalty to Werner to get his monkey of his back and score his first PL goal, it was already 3-0 up.

lol you just created the situation that did not even exist. Abraham wanted to take penalty from Jorgi and Lamps said after the game all you need to know. He would be upset if Jorgi gave that penalty to anyone.

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8 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

lol you just created the situation that did not even exist. Abraham wanted to take penalty from Jorgi and Lamps said after the game all you need to know. He would be upset if Jorgi gave that penalty to anyone.

I didn't create anything, he is like 2nd or 3rd in captaincy hierarchy, he obvious knew the score was 3-0 and it was already won, you'd expect him to hand it to someone that needs a confidence boost yet took it like a shameless guy to inflate his count. Lampard can say that after the game but I highly doubt he would be angry or upset if Jorginho let someone else take it at that score, he didn't seem to mind when Barkley took the ball and missed a penalty last season against Valencia I think.

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4 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

lol you just created the situation that did not even exist. Abraham wanted to take penalty from Jorgi and Lamps said after the game all you need to know. He would be upset if Jorgi gave that penalty to anyone.

Would Lampard be upset had Jorginho given the penalty to someone else at 3-0 up with minutes to go? This was someone who gave a penalty to Drogba, in a similar situation to Saturday's although it was 4-0 back then, so that he could try and win the Golden Boot in the 8-0 win against Wigan.

Think Lampard's main problem was that Abraham decided to take the penalty himself by taking the ball immediately. It didn't look as if he discussed it with Jorginho or was given the opportunity by Jorginho to take it, hence why Azpi stepped in and Lampard said players shouldn't be jumping ahead of the queue. 

It was kinda disappointing to see that Jorginho didn't give Werner the chance to take it but it was arguably even more disappointing when Abraham decided to take the penalty himself (even if he did jump ahead of the queue as Lampard alluded to), think Werner asked him if he could take it but was turned down. Talk about team goals there, eh?

 

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Isn't Lampard huge on the All Blacks 'no dickhead' rule where players dont put themselves ahead of the team?

Also, Drogba and Lampard had a row over the first penalty in that Wigan game before Lampard decided to hand the next one to Drogba

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16 minutes ago, Strike said:

Isn't Lampard huge on the All Blacks 'no dickhead' rule where players dont put themselves ahead of the team?

Also, Drogba and Lampard had a row over the first penalty in that Wigan game before Lampard decided to hand the next one to Drogba

It was an absolute class move  from Lampard back then on both incidents and selfish from Drogba to ask (even worse than Tammy). Lampard said to Drogs ‘I will put this game to bed and you will have your chance on the next’ 

if Tammy (or Timo for that matter) had approached Jorginho and asked for it it may have been a different story. But Tammy just took it (even tho Timi needed it more) and would have been vindicated in His selfish behavior making Jorginho & Azpi look weak if the captain had not stepped in. Luckily Azpi sorted it out and Jorginho dispatched it. No idea how you can blame Jorginho here. He arrived to the scene last and was handed the ball by Azpi. Handing the ball over again himself would have added even more needless drama. 

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10 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

if Tammy (or Timo for that matter) had approached Jorginho and asked for it it may have been a different story. But Tammy just took it (even tho Timi needed it more) and would have been vindicated in His selfish behavior making Jorginho & Azpi look weak if the captain had not stepped in. Luckily Azpi sorted it out and Jorginho dispatched it. No idea how you can blame Jorginho here. He arrived to the scene last and was handed the ball by Azpi. Handing the ball over again himself would have added even more needless drama. 

I'm sure had Jorginho given the ball to Werner, for example, we would be praising him for being classy, unselfish etc rather than creating more drama. The only needless drama was created unnecessarily by Abraham to begin with. 

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8 hours ago, R2D2 said:

Definitely wouldn't lose sleep if he left us, I though it was pretty classless from him not to give the penalty to Werner to get his monkey of his back and score his first PL goal, it was already 3-0 up.

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5 hours ago, Jason said:

Would Lampard be upset had Jorginho given the penalty to someone else at 3-0 up with minutes to go? This was someone who gave a penalty to Drogba, in a similar situation to Saturday's although it was 4-0 back then, so that he could try and win the Golden Boot in the 8-0 win against Wigan.

Think Lampard's main problem was that Abraham decided to take the penalty himself by taking the ball immediately. It didn't look as if he discussed it with Jorginho or was given the opportunity by Jorginho to take it, hence why Azpi stepped in and Lampard said players shouldn't be jumping ahead of the queue. 

It was kinda disappointing to see that Jorginho didn't give Werner the chance to take it but it was arguably even more disappointing when Abraham decided to take the penalty himself (even if he did jump ahead of the queue as Lampard alluded to), think Werner asked him if he could take it but was turned down. Talk about team goals there, eh?

 

Now seeing this I think knowing Jorginho he would give the penalty to anyone if they asked him. But the problem was there way before he arrived between Tammy and Werner. So experienced players like him and Azpi had to step up and they decided 'fuck it kids, no one is taking it now'. 

So I think he would gave it to Timo if Tammy did not created a problem. 

Jorginho was on the pitch when Barkley took it last season against Valencia? And we know how that ended... 

 

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