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20 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

No way should we recall morata. Perfect case of grass being greener. He was/is pathetic. I would rather give the chance to Tammy/giroud/michy

 Bats has been horrid other than that short Dortmund spell. 

If we renew Higs for a full year that is litterally almost £25m down the shitter in loan fees and salary for just the 12 months. Could have bought 30 goal Piątek outright for £31m. Piątek salary is £1.5m per year. Higuain's is £14m!

He is making only £30K PW less than the monster contract we offered Eden. Higuain is the 4th highest paid player in the EPL. LOLOL.

1 De Bruyne

2 Alexis

3 Pogba

4 Higuain

5 Özil

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Today has clearly showed the bar which Chelsea must work towards reaching. At this moment we are pretty far away but the overreaction today on this forum is incredible. Sarri has been at the club

The decline in performances is a lot down to one thing, The lack of training pitch time. He is coming in, trying to teach the squad a totally different brand of football to what the players are a

I'm telling you now, to all the SarriOut supporters.... you don't know how lucky we are to have a humble manager like Sarri... a man with principle, passion, an expansive free flowing footballing phil

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2 hours ago, Vesper said:

 Bats has been horrid other than that short Dortmund spell. 

If we renew Higs for a full year that is litterally almost £25m down the shitter in loan fees and salary for just the 12 months. Could have bought 30 goal Piątek outright for £31m. Piątek salary is £1.5m per year. Higuain's is £14m!

He is making only £30K PW less than the monster contract we offered Eden. Higuain is the 4th highest paid player in the EPL. LOLOL.

1 De Bruyne

2 Alexis

3 Pogba

4 Higuain

5 Özil

I am not saying that we should buy higuain.

Tubby has hardly done anything to be bought, no matter if sarri stays and throws all the toys out of his pram like Conte over the transfer. 

BUT, bringing morata back is hardly any better. Another bang average footballer and most importantly a bang average footballer who does not even want to play for the club. 

Michy showed far more in his half a season with bvb about leading a line ALONE than morata has in his whole career.

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Bringing back Morata is super bad, but I'll take that over perma-signing Higs. We don't want another deadwood, finished player signed up to this club. Chelsea isn't a retirement home.

Morata is still under contract with us so there's nothing we can do if Morata doesn't want to leave.

But if Sarri pushes the club to permasign Higs, fuck Sarri he HAS to go. Because that is where his standards are.

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5 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

No way should we recall morata. Perfect case of grass being greener. He was/is pathetic. I would rather give the chance to Tammy/giroud/michy

In theory him and Higuain would probably be the best options if we are banned, but if we recall him against his will he will sulk into oblivion.

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Quote from the shed end that sums up what I want to say better than I explain.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But you have to change your mind as the facts change. So i have to ask some of the doubters - how can you persist with the same criticisms when, one by one, they've been answered, to varying degrees? here are a few:

1. Sarri stubborn on team selection: see others' stats above on RLC and CHO. Whether it was fan pressure that did it or not is irrelevant  -  the stubbornness argument no longer holds true. 

2. We always lose when we concede first: ahem Cardiff away, Burnley at home, United away, Frankfurt away... did i miss any? ok all but one ended in draws (again, did i miss some?) but still a hell of an improvement on what was going on in our dark patch.

3. No team spirit: see 2.

4. Lack of imagination on subs: when was the last time we saw Kovacic for Barkley or vice versa (and this ties in with one)?

5. Always play worse in the second half: last two matches the exact opposite.

6. boring football - ok this is somewhat subjective, but i think it's unfair. While we have lacked consistency, there have been some great performances with top quality football - off the top of my head - Watford second half, belly of the Frankfurt game, Tottenham at home, West Ham at home, City final.... 

As i said, you are entitled to think Sarri is not the coach for us. But i don't think it can any longer be based on any of the above. Kudos to abramovich (not THE abramovich, or at least i don't think so) for basically acknowledging this and giving credit where due. And he may well yet be right to still be sceptical. We "ins" could easily be wrong come next season and should be ready to change our minds too. But for now - the table doesn't lie (solskjaer said so and it's hardly in his interest to say it), and there's no point rationalising it with "it's only because man u, tottenham etc were crap".  1. they're probably not that crap (one is in CL semi); 2. so what (great even!) if they are."

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2 hours ago, Mana said:

Bringing back Morata is super bad, but I'll take that over perma-signing Higs. We don't want another deadwood, finished player signed up to this club. Chelsea isn't a retirement home.

Morata is still under contract with us so there's nothing we can do if Morata doesn't want to leave.

But if Sarri pushes the club to permasign Higs, fuck Sarri he HAS to go. Because that is where his standards are.

 

If we perma signed Higs , so 3 more years after that, until summer 2022

 he will have cost us EIGHTY-SEVEN MILLION POUNDS for 3 and half years (his end of career years unless he goes and cashes in in the US or China) of fees and wages, and at end he is worth NOTHING

that is fucking madness

Piatek, for 4 and a half years, all fees and wages, would have cost a total of £38m  and would be only 27 when his last season under that (2022-23) ended, and probably worth between £90m and £120m if he is even scoring 17 to 27 or so goals all comps each year

 

and people still question why I call the board literally the worst in the top 30,40 teams of world football

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15 minutes ago, Vesper said:

and people still question why I call the board literally the worst in the top 30,40 teams of world football

The board hasn't permasigned him yet, so let's not pile this on the board just yet...

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1 minute ago, Mana said:

The board hasn't permasigned him yet, so let's not pile this on the board just yet...

Without anything to do with Higs they already are the worst. Hundreds of millions in lost player revenue, shit buys, multiple botched transfers, horrific sales, absolute shambolic contract management, and corrupt rule breaking that will cost us dearly, and isn't even done being exposed, as new illegal shit is now coming out.

Joke puppets. 

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Just now, Vesper said:

Without anything to do with Higs they already are the worst. Hundreds of millions in lost player revenue, shit buys, multiple botched transfers, horrific sales, absolute shambolic contract management, and corrupt rule breaking that will cost us dearly, and isn't even done being exposed, as new illegal shit is now coming out.

Joke puppets. 

Oh no, don't get me wrong I agree that the board are muppets along with everything you said here.

What I'm saying is don't pile the Higs thing until they actually do it. And I'll blame them as well as Sarri.

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14 minutes ago, Mana said:

Oh no, don't get me wrong I agree that the board are muppets along with everything you said here.

What I'm saying is don't pile the Higs thing until they actually do it. And I'll blame them as well as Sarri.

Even if we just extend his loan for the full 18 months, that is £43m in fees and wages total! For a bloody year and half with zero ownership! That's fucking bonkers.

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

Even if we just extend his loan for the full 18 months, that is £43m in fees and wages total! For a bloody year and half with zero ownership! That's fucking bonkers.

If the board somehow do this, then thats sackable offense on the spot. Nevermind all the other shit they have done these past years. Again this is what you get when you have non footy people running the show, we look clueless.

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3 hours ago, Tomo said:

Quote from the shed end that sums up what I want to say better than I explain.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But you have to change your mind as the facts change. So i have to ask some of the doubters - how can you persist with the same criticisms when, one by one, they've been answered, to varying degrees? here are a few:

1. Sarri stubborn on team selection: see others' stats above on RLC and CHO. Whether it was fan pressure that did it or not is irrelevant  -  the stubbornness argument no longer holds true. 

2. We always lose when we concede first: ahem Cardiff away, Burnley at home, United away, Frankfurt away... did i miss any? ok all but one ended in draws (again, did i miss some?) but still a hell of an improvement on what was going on in our dark patch.

3. No team spirit: see 2.

4. Lack of imagination on subs: when was the last time we saw Kovacic for Barkley or vice versa (and this ties in with one)?

5. Always play worse in the second half: last two matches the exact opposite.

6. boring football - ok this is somewhat subjective, but i think it's unfair. While we have lacked consistency, there have been some great performances with top quality football - off the top of my head - Watford second half, belly of the Frankfurt game, Tottenham at home, West Ham at home, City final.... 

As i said, you are entitled to think Sarri is not the coach for us. But i don't think it can any longer be based on any of the above. Kudos to abramovich (not THE abramovich, or at least i don't think so) for basically acknowledging this and giving credit where due. And he may well yet be right to still be sceptical. We "ins" could easily be wrong come next season and should be ready to change our minds too. But for now - the table doesn't lie (solskjaer said so and it's hardly in his interest to say it), and there's no point rationalising it with "it's only because man u, tottenham etc were crap".  1. they're probably not that crap (one is in CL semi); 2. so what (great even!) if they are."

I agree with all this, I will even add I hope his backed well in the summer so that he has no excuses come next season. Get him a quality LB, CF, CB and RW and maybe another CM then we can talk. Jorginho will only get better after a year in the EPL. 

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4 hours ago, Tomo said:

Quote from the shed end that sums up what I want to say better than I explain.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But you have to change your mind as the facts change. So i have to ask some of the doubters - how can you persist with the same criticisms when, one by one, they've been answered, to varying degrees? here are a few:

1. Sarri stubborn on team selection: see others' stats above on RLC and CHO. Whether it was fan pressure that did it or not is irrelevant  -  the stubbornness argument no longer holds true. 

2. We always lose when we concede first: ahem Cardiff away, Burnley at home, United away, Frankfurt away... did i miss any? ok all but one ended in draws (again, did i miss some?) but still a hell of an improvement on what was going on in our dark patch.

3. No team spirit: see 2.

4. Lack of imagination on subs: when was the last time we saw Kovacic for Barkley or vice versa (and this ties in with one)?

5. Always play worse in the second half: last two matches the exact opposite.

6. boring football - ok this is somewhat subjective, but i think it's unfair. While we have lacked consistency, there have been some great performances with top quality football - off the top of my head - Watford second half, belly of the Frankfurt game, Tottenham at home, West Ham at home, City final.... 

As i said, you are entitled to think Sarri is not the coach for us. But i don't think it can any longer be based on any of the above. Kudos to abramovich (not THE abramovich, or at least i don't think so) for basically acknowledging this and giving credit where due. And he may well yet be right to still be sceptical. We "ins" could easily be wrong come next season and should be ready to change our minds too. But for now - the table doesn't lie (solskjaer said so and it's hardly in his interest to say it), and there's no point rationalising it with "it's only because man u, tottenham etc were crap".  1. they're probably not that crap (one is in CL semi); 2. so what (great even!) if they are."

Very much agree with this. 

Been a Sarri supporter on this forum, but after the Cardiff match I was fuming thinking there is no way he'd change for a bit. As said in your post, the past months have shown a change. 

Back him in the summer and see how we look next season after he gets a full pre season with Chelsea and already with a one year PL experience. 

And frankly can any name a top manager that would take over here on a limited transfer budget and no Eden Hazard??? Bet that now it's more like the board praying Sarri won't leave, rather than the vice versa. 

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23 minutes ago, Mana said:

Even though we secured top 4, I still want that EL trophy. These players better be hungry for it.

Yep hoping so especially if we come into the final against Arsenal. Winning it against them be even better. 

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5 hours ago, petre.ispirescu said:

And frankly can any name a top manager that would take over here on a limited transfer budget and no Eden Hazard??? Bet that now it's more like the board praying Sarri won't leave, rather than the vice versa. 

Okay, there may be tough circumstances coming for us but you made it sound like this would be the worst job to take up. There are some things that a manager can work with for starters. It just depends whether they want to...

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10 hours ago, Tomo said:

Quote from the shed end that sums up what I want to say better than I explain.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But you have to change your mind as the facts change. So i have to ask some of the doubters - how can you persist with the same criticisms when, one by one, they've been answered, to varying degrees? here are a few:

1. Sarri stubborn on team selection: see others' stats above on RLC and CHO. Whether it was fan pressure that did it or not is irrelevant  -  the stubbornness argument no longer holds true. 

2. We always lose when we concede first: ahem Cardiff away, Burnley at home, United away, Frankfurt away... did i miss any? ok all but one ended in draws (again, did i miss some?) but still a hell of an improvement on what was going on in our dark patch.

3. No team spirit: see 2.

4. Lack of imagination on subs: when was the last time we saw Kovacic for Barkley or vice versa (and this ties in with one)?

5. Always play worse in the second half: last two matches the exact opposite.

6. boring football - ok this is somewhat subjective, but i think it's unfair. While we have lacked consistency, there have been some great performances with top quality football - off the top of my head - Watford second half, belly of the Frankfurt game, Tottenham at home, West Ham at home, City final.... 

As i said, you are entitled to think Sarri is not the coach for us. But i don't think it can any longer be based on any of the above. Kudos to abramovich (not THE abramovich, or at least i don't think so) for basically acknowledging this and giving credit where due. And he may well yet be right to still be sceptical. We "ins" could easily be wrong come next season and should be ready to change our minds too. But for now - the table doesn't lie (solskjaer said so and it's hardly in his interest to say it), and there's no point rationalising it with "it's only because man u, tottenham etc were crap".  1. they're probably not that crap (one is in CL semi); 2. so what (great even!) if they are."

Your two u-turns is hilarious, Tomo. 

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2 minutes ago, Jason said:

Your two u-turns is hilarious, Tomo. 

1. I never fully switched to "out", I was concerned about a few things I saw in January/February.

2. As I've said before, it's fine to change your opinion based on new information, if hypothetically he stayed on and won the league with Loftus Cheek scoring 20 goals and Reece James winning YPOTY, would you still stubbornly bang the narrative that he's a shit manager who doesn't play youth?

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