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Today has clearly showed the bar which Chelsea must work towards reaching. At this moment we are pretty far away but the overreaction today on this forum is incredible. Sarri has been at the club

The decline in performances is a lot down to one thing, The lack of training pitch time. He is coming in, trying to teach the squad a totally different brand of football to what the players are a

I'm telling you now, to all the SarriOut supporters.... you don't know how lucky we are to have a humble manager like Sarri... a man with principle, passion, an expansive free flowing footballing phil

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The difference between Mous and Sarris man management.

We know well how Mous got foot in gob syndrome but when we can all see how Morata is a big weak link Sarri says

“I don’t know if he is not confident,” Sarri said post-match. “Maybe he was tired.

“The last three days for him were very intense, so maybe this match he was a bit tired. I am not worried about Morata.”

Rightly or wrongly thats called having your players back.

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7 hours ago, Tomo said:

The only times i recall you were prominent on here during our title winning season was the Spurs game at WHL where you took over the match thread telling us our invincibility's gone and were getting caught by our amazing rivals and the Costa thread after he went a few games without a goal and you were going on about how shit he was.

There may be some things we need to worry about but there's also plenty to look forward too and i don't really get why your so desperate to make out were so shit while all our rivals (including a side we have comfortably finished above every season with the core of these lads bar once) are like Pep's Barca reborn, but each to their own i guess. 

The only two things I was prominent that season was Costa and the squad has cracks (and that's because most people here failed to see that, and arguing with me that the squad's fantastic). But there were definitely good moments I had that season, that you decided to brush off. Fair enough.

There is something to look forward to this season. Sarri and how he changes us from playing negative football. But really, that's it. 

What I'm been saying here, while sounds negative it's being real. We are in the last chance saloon for top 4. This aging squad + Morata doesn't have what it takes to get to top 4 anymore, and it worries me so much because we will then lose our star players.

I'm not going to wear rose-tinted glasses like some people here and pretend that we are challenging for things and getting CL with this squad. We need at least 3 more players (including a new CF) before we can challenge again. In fact, get a new clinical CF and top 4 is ours. 

And for the love of, don't say "This squad once won the PL!". Like this squad never grows old or something. Players age, they are not who they once were two years ago. It's NOT the same. Not to mention no European football helped us tremendously.

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8 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

100% agree. When things dont go well fans turn on players too easily. Guys like Ivanovic, Mikel, Morata, Cahill, Willian etc in the last 6 or 7 years alone have been spacegoated for team failures. Then it becomes a whole squad/majority of it for whatever reason etc.

You are talking as if these players were magnificent for Chelsea. Well, except Ivanovic - he was very solid when we bought him. In his last few years, we have every right to criticise him for continuously making horrid mistakes. 

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Courtois, Azpilicueta, Kante, Jorginho (already going to be key for us) and Hazard is as strong a spine as a lot of teams have in the PL. City’s perhaps have got the only better one? Ederson, Walker, Mendy, De Bruyne, Silva, Aguero? Even then it’s questionable to say Walker is better than Azpi or that Kante, Jorginho or Hazard wouldn’t walk into their team. 

These aren't goalscorers. Who's going to score the goals?

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Throw in Fabregas, Willian, Luiz, Rudiger, Alonso, few other players who aren’t amazing perhaps or what you’d consider spine level players but are up to a pretty decent standard and for me, as long as Sarri can convey his methods across, we will get top 4, even if these guys who aren’t as well regarded in terms of ability, are regulars or not, in terms of quality they bring us a reasonable standard in the squad. I mean look at Cesc for example first year under Conte, 12 assists from the bench? That is incredible. If he doesn’t start every week and can come on and get even half of that in a similar role? That’s 6 goals that could potentially win games or salvage draws. 

Apart from Rudiger and to the small extent of Alonso, nope this players aren't decently standard. At least not anymore. It boggles the mind you mentioned Willian, while had a great 3 game run, did almost nothing of note last season. Even Alonso contributed more.

Fabregas then got 12 assists because WE HAD A GOALSCORER. How many times do I have to go through this with you? And Fabregas is 31, from the looks of pre-season so far and last season, he has lost that magic touch.

People, stop referring to the 2016/17 season! Things now are different compared to then, and you keep forgetting about the basic factors that happened like NO European football (players are more refreshed because of this) and big hitter teams underperformed massively.

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The likes of Moses, Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Cahill can all be considered disposable yes but the perfect squad is not made up of 25 world class players, it is impossible to accumulate such a thing, even Peps Barca side (considered one of the greatest in history) had pretty average players over that peroid like Adriano, Keita, Abidal, Gabriel Milito etc too who were used when needed to be as well as youngsters who were never truely good, Tello, Cuenca, Bojan....

I'm not asking to have WC players all over the pitch. I'm asking for decent ones who work hard, and play for the shirt. That's why I admire the 2011/12 squad so much. Poor squad, but played for the badge and got their rewards as bonus. When I see ponies like Willian and Morata who don't give a s***, it pisses me off.

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Far too much negativity here, yes we’ve had a few poor seasons but this core of players are winners and have won a lot in their careers. We’ve gone through his cycle of blame: firstly it was the players before it was put down to Mourinhos tactics, then the players again before ending up being Contes tactics. Now players getting it again although the season hasn’t started yet. It’s an odd cycle.

This is a new cycle I've never seen before. In my eyes personally at least for last season, the reason why we failed is between the board, the players and the manager. Everyone is to blame. If Sarri next season, does his best but still failed, then it's not his fault isn't it?

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I am under no illusions we can improve tenfold, there is no perfect football team but this we don’t have a top 4 level squad bullshit? Some people are extremely naive, this squad at least 50% of it has been part of 2 league title wins and a few cups in the last 3 or 4 years. Spurs don’t have a better squad than us. Neither do Liverpool. First 11s in some parts maybe but they’ve had how long of continuity with a coach? 3/4 years? Sarri built something incredible at Napoli in my eyes in terms of an identity and if we can have that in place for a few years and win or stay very competitive at least we will reap rewards in the long run. But will people wait or whatever? People will turn on him as soon as shit goes wrong like previously done with coaches and players, so we can’t win. 

When we won the title in 2016/17, neutrals around the world said that Spuds were a better team and played better football than us and they should have won the league, not us. While I'm biased and disagree that Spuds were a better team, they did play better football than us.

You are the one is being naive here. Ask every non-Chelsea fan or pundit. They will not agree with you that Chelsea is better than Spuds or Liverpool. You can even throw at the moment Arsenal as well. They have good attacking players that can press and harm us, while we don't.

All that can change with a new CF, but until then - stop living in a dream world that next season we'll be 2nd.

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Sarri's season hinges on Morata's finishing. In games where we are supposed to be leading 3-0, we end up scoring only 1-0 and risk being equalized at the last minute. This is a cross Sarri and Chelsea will have to carry this season. Unless Batshuayi surprises us or Sarri springs a (CHO - HAZARD - PEDRO/WILLIAN) false 9 formation on us.

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2 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

Sarri's season hinges on Morata's finishing. In games where we are supposed to be leading 3-0, we end up scoring only 1-0 and risk being equalized at the last minute. This is a cross Sarri and Chelsea will have to carry this season. Unless Batshuayi surprises us or Sarri springs a (CHO - HAZARD - PEDRO/WILLIAN) false 9 formation on us.

There is no way, with the way he is playing and finishing now we can risk starting with him. These last few games should of told Sarri exactly what he needs to know about Morata....He's woeful.

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25 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

Sarri's season hinges on Morata's finishing. In games where we are supposed to be leading 3-0, we end up scoring only 1-0 and risk being equalized at the last minute. This is a cross Sarri and Chelsea will have to carry this season. Unless Batshuayi surprises us or Sarri springs a (CHO - HAZARD - PEDRO/WILLIAN) false 9 formation on us.

It would be a fast,clever top 3 with

CHO  Martial  Eden or Eden  Martial  CHO

Let the 2 AMs  roam like Eden/Willian did. IMHO Eden is at his best then. Makes them very hard to mark let alone 2 or 3 man on.

Cant see a problem with it apart from not having Martial of course  d40fdfc3fab857dc9175d118f742b641.gif

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2 hours ago, Mana said:

You are talking as if these players were magnificent for Chelsea. Well, except Ivanovic - he was very solid when we bought him. In his last few years, we have every right to criticise him for continuously making horrid mistakes. 

These aren't goalscorers. Who's going to score the goals?

Apart from Rudiger and to the small extent of Alonso, nope this players aren't decently standard. At least not anymore. It boggles the mind you mentioned Willian, while had a great 3 game run, did almost nothing of note last season. Even Alonso contributed more.

Fabregas then got 12 assists because WE HAD A GOALSCORER. How many times do I have to go through this with you? And Fabregas is 31, from the looks of pre-season so far and last season, he has lost that magic touch.

People, stop referring to the 2016/17 season! Things now are different compared to then, and you keep forgetting about the basic factors that happened like NO European football (players are more refreshed because of this) and big hitter teams underperformed massively.

I'm not asking to have WC players all over the pitch. I'm asking for decent ones who work hard, and play for the shirt. That's why I admire the 2011/12 squad so much. Poor squad, but played for the badge and got their rewards as bonus. When I see ponies like Willian and Morata who don't give a s***, it pisses me off.

This is a new cycle I've never seen before. In my eyes personally at least for last season, the reason why we failed is between the board, the players and the manager. Everyone is to blame. If Sarri next season, does his best but still failed, then it's not his fault isn't it?

When we won the title in 2016/17, neutrals around the world said that Spuds were a better team and played better football than us and they should have won the league, not us. While I'm biased and disagree that Spuds were a better team, they did play better football than us.

You are the one is being naive here. Ask every non-Chelsea fan or pundit. They will not agree with you that Chelsea is better than Spuds or Liverpool. You can even throw at the moment Arsenal as well. They have good attacking players that can press and harm us, while we don't.

All that can change with a new CF, but until then - stop living in a dream world that next season we'll be 2nd.

All of those players listed who were scapegoats have all contributed to the history of the club in recent years (sure Morata hasn't). If that’s not worthy of any respect then I don’t know.

Fabregas and Willian aren’t of decent standard (don’t be daft)... so Barcelona, Real and United all interested and having been reportly bidding for Willian is a mystery to me then. I remember when we signed Fabregas he was exactly what we needed. We’d be crying out for a player like him for years. Sure he’s older now and has his flaws like every footballer but mentioning pre-season again it means nothing it is not result orientated it is fitness and preparation that comes first and Sarri will need time before we become the real deal.

Also me naive? Open your fucking eyes. Read your posts. For a supposed Chelsea fan you sure paint the image you would rather see the team lose and pop up everytime there is something bad that happens.

Also this playing better football doesn’t necessarily mean fuck all as well if you have nothing to show for it. Actually in all fairness you sound like Jermaine Jenas when he said Spurs should have won that semi final last season because they played better football.... Sure we could have played better football over the last 10-15 years but look at what the club has to show for it in terms of trophies because we’ve known how to win games, cup matches etc. If Sarri comes in and has nice football but wins nothing? How long do you think he will last? Do you think Pochettino would be given 4 years here if his best achievement was finishing second to Leicester? Wisen up. Arsenal Liverpool Spurs what have they actually achieved in the last few years with their good football? 

Again. Nobody has said we will be second either, there is more than enough in this squad to achieve top 4. We finished 5th last season not 11th. Comparing teams against each other in pre-season is stupid too, it means fuck all.

Yes I agree goals is a bit of a problem but if this team shapes up anything like Napoli, (most goals, chances created and shots on target in the last 3 seasons in Serie A with players like Mertens, Callejon etc who aren’t better than any of our starters), we will create chances and we will score goals one way or another... 

you'd think we had a squad of 25 Bakayokos. 

Also continually belittling the league win under Conte? What are you all about? Yes no CL football but he rarely rotated and had Alonso and Moses as key players... wisen up youd think you were on the wind up. 

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1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

All of those players listed who were scapegoats have all contributed to the history of the club in recent years (sure Morata hasn't). If that’s not worthy of any respect then I don’t know.

Fabregas and Willian aren’t of decent standard (don’t be daft)... so Barcelona, Real and United all interested and having been reportly bidding for Willian is a mystery to me then. I remember when we signed Fabregas he was exactly what we needed. We’d be crying out for a player like him for years. Sure he’s older now and has his flaws like every footballer but mentioning pre-season again it means nothing it is not result orientated it is fitness and preparation that comes first and Sarri will need time before we become the real deal.

Yes, them asking for Willian is one of the biggest mysteries in football. Offload him quick and get a better player that will show up in games. He's getting old anyway.

FFS, it's like you didn't read. Yes I agree with you, when we signed Fabregas he is exactly what we need. He isn't now. He is slow, and not quick enough to make those magical passes. Last season amplifies that he has lost it.

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Also me naive? Open your fucking eyes. Read your posts. For a supposed Chelsea fan you sure paint the image you would rather see the team lose and pop up everytime there is something bad that happens.

Lol. Where did I say I want Chelsea to lose? Please show me. There is a huge difference between knowing what's going to happen and wanting them to lose. I don't want Chelsea to fecking lose, I want them to win! That's the reason I'm going mad here! And yes, you are naive. You are saying we are better than XYZ, when you know these teams have quality players up front compared to us. Banging my head against the wall if you think Morata is better than Kane, Mane, Aguero, Aubameyang as CFs.

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Also this playing better football doesn’t necessarily mean fuck all as well if you have nothing to show for it. Sure we could have played better football over the last 10-15 years but look at what the club has to show for it in terms of trophies. If Sarri comes in and has nice football but wins nothing? How long do you think he will last? Do you think Pochettino would be given 4 years here if his best achievement was finishing second to Leicester? Wisen up.

Spuds don't have the players to keep up with the challenge of the title. However, they certainly have the players to get that top 4 spot. Which is what we are after. Forget titles now, this is about getting top 4.

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Nobody has said we will be second either, there is more than enough in this squad to at top 4. We finished 5th last season not 11th. Comparing teams against each other in pre-season is stupid too, it means fuck all.

That is exactly what you said (or implied). You said Chelsea's squad is better than everyone's bar City, so by default you are looking at a 2nd place finish. Work out the maths.

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Yes I agree goals is a bit of a problem but if this team shapes up anything like Napoli, (most goals, chances created and shots on target in the last 3 seasons in Serie A with players like Mertens, Callejon etc who aren’t better than any of our starters), we will create chances and we will score goals... 

I rate Mertens way more than Morata as a CF, so there's that.

P.S - Juventus tops those stats last season.

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Also continually belittling the league win under Conte? What are you all about? Yes no CL football but he rarely rotated and had Alonso and Moses as key players... wisen up youd think you were on the wind up.

We also had Costa...

I'm not winding people up, this is the truth. If not why couldn't we do it the following season then? Couldn't even finish top 4! He didn't have to rotate players as much that season because again no European football. Conte's 4-3-3 system revolutionized the PL and that's why players like Alonso and Moses at one point were good. It's only then Spuds found cracks within our players and ended our wonderful run. Teams have adapted (or even copied) the system so it cannot work wonders for us anymore.

Our title win was amazing, but it was like a Leicester 2.0. No one expected us to win the league let alone challenge it, and we wouldn't have if Conte didn't use his 4-3-3 system, didn't have a decent forward line AND had European football.

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1 hour ago, Unionjack said:

It would be a fast,clever top 3 with

CHO  Martial  Eden or Eden  Martial  CHO

Let the 2 AMs  roam like Eden/Willian did. IMHO Eden is at his best then. Makes them very hard to mark let alone 2 or 3 man on.

Cant see a problem with it apart from not having Martial of course  d40fdfc3fab857dc9175d118f742b641.gif

I have slim hopes for Martial this summer, but maybe we can put pedro as false 9. He's played that position before for Spain (Hazard - Pedro - CHO)

He is more willing to shoot than any other player in our team and is actually our best finisher with lol.

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22 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

I have slim hopes for Martial this summer, but maybe we can put pedro as false 9. He's played that position before for Spain (Hazard - Pedro - CHO)

He is more willing to shoot than any other player in our team and is actually our best finisher with lol.

We really need more ambition than have Pedro as a striker. Like I said he wouldn't be on full engine for a whole game.

We haven't tried Bats yet? Fingers crossed sarri can work on him -------- or Giroud.onference

 

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Sarri on David Luiz and Ruben Loftus-Cheek: 'I am very happy with David for his attitude. I think he will be very important for the team. Loftus-Cheek I have only seen three or four [times in training], so I will have to wait

Sarri on his squad for Sunday: 'I don't know. I want to see the last training. The starting 11 may be near the last match, but maybe something different can happen.

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Azpi      Rudiger   David Luiz     Emerson 

                       Jorginho 

           Kante            Barkley 

Pedro             Batshuayi         Hazard 

 

Compare with; 

             Azpi     Christensen  Rudiger 

Moses     kante  cesc  Bakayoko  Alonso

                                     Hazard 

                        Morata 

There is a huge difference between midfield and attack. Even if we keep Alonso in and Morata (sob) the midfield and wingers is a huge improvement.  He won't win the league ofcourse but I'm confident of top 4. Especially if we drop Morata for just Batsman

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