Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

[Jase 43,479]

It's all good saying that we need to back Sarri in the transfer market but you gotta ask, is he giving good reasons for us to do so? I mean, six months into his reign as our manager and we have barely seen the kind of football that he became known for at Napoli. Granted, I'd agree that we have some very average players in the team right now but given that he has had SIX months, shouldn't we be seeing the attacking football, the fluid movement in attacks etc at the very least, even just a tiny bit here and there? We do have some very average players but these are not players from the Conference. They are still decent enough to be playing/executing some kind of attacking football at the very least. But nope, the only major trait we've seen here from Sarri's Napoli side is us dominating possession but very little penetration. There have been times when it felt like Mourinho or Conte was still in charge because the football wasn't very much different at all.

Also, Sarri is so rigid with his formation and player selection for certain position. It's 4-3-3 or nothing. It's Jorginho or Fabregas as the deepest midfielder, it's Kovacic or Barkley or Loftus-Cheek as the left center-midfielder. Hell, Sarri has even thrown Loftus-Cheek out wide just to accommodate Kovacic or Barkley in that midfield role. Even Guardiola - arguably the best manager right now at possession/attacking football - is flexible and adaptable enough to change formation from time to time and switch players around within the formation. With Sarri, it's so rigid that it's becoming probably predictable and easy for opponents to deal with us. It also doesn't help that Sarri has been channeling his inner-Mourinho and persisting with players who's out of form etc. 

And oh, Sarri said after today's game that he doesn't understand why we keep on reacting badly to conceding goals. He's been saying that a lot recently and it's a concern when you keep on hearing your manager say that and no closer to finding out the exact problem...

[DDA 9,689]

Just now, Jason said:

It's all good saying that we need to back Sarri in the transfer market but you gotta ask, is he giving good reasons for us to do so? I mean, six months into his reign as our manager and we have barely seen the kind of football that he became known for at Napoli. Granted, I'd agree that we have some very average players in the team right now but given that he has had SIX months, shouldn't we be seeing the attacking football, the fluid movement in attacks etc at the very least, even just a tiny bit here and there? We do have some very average players but these are not players from the Conference. They are still decent enough to be playing/executing some kind of attacking football at the very least. But nope, the only major trait we've seen here from Sarri's Napoli side is us dominating possession but very little penetration. There have been times when it felt like Mourinho or Conte was still in charge because the football wasn't very much different at all.

Also, Sarri is so rigid with his formation and player selection for certain position. It's 4-3-3 or nothing. It's Jorginho or Fabregas as the deepest midfielder, it's Kovacic or Barkley or Loftus-Cheek as the left center-midfielder. Hell, Sarri has even thrown Loftus-Cheek out wide just to accommodate Kovacic or Barkley in that midfield role. Even Guardiola - arguably the best manager right now at possession/attacking football - is flexible and adaptable enough to change formation from time to time and switch players around within the formation. With Sarri, it's so rigid that it's becoming probably predictable and easy for opponents to deal with us. 

And oh, Sarri said after today's game that he doesn't understand why we keep on reacting badly to conceding goals. He's been saying that a lot recently and it's a concern when you keep on hearing your manager say that and no closer to finding out the exact problem...

Honestly, I think the players we have just don't give a fuck.

They sleepwalk through matches. 

There is no pride or passion. Absolutely fuck all from any of them. You get glipses from Azpi, Eden and sometiems Luiz. The rest are a bunch of mercenaries. 

Sarri is not helping the situation mind. Starting Alonso week in, week out is mind boggling but to start Willian over CHO is a fucking disgrace. I don't give a flying fuck if Willian defends better, his first and foremost purpose it to attack which he is hopeless at doing. 

He is making best of the striker situation. We simply don't have one so he can't be blamed for that. 

 

[Tomo 21,733]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

It's all good saying that we need to back Sarri in the transfer market but you gotta ask, is he giving good reasons for us to do so? I mean, six months into his reign as our manager and we have barely seen the kind of football that he became known for at Napoli. .

I have basically given an answer to that above.

[Laylabelle 9,370]

We can't score.. Have all this possession and do sod all with it. Faff around a lot. 

Needs to change the line up. We ain't winning the league who knows about top 4 so just change it. Ain't working at the moment. Nothing to lose. 

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, Tomo said:

I have basically given an answer to that above.

But we need more than just being defensively sound or being able to keep possession (you're making this sound like a total positive just because Sarri hasn't gone all Brendan Rodgers on us). I'm looking at our attacking plays. Sarri is supposed to improve us on this but have not seen much difference when compared to Conte/Mourinho's reign. And if I'm being cynical, I'd say Sarri is benefiting from the defensive work that Mourinho/Conte instilled in the team, even with the change in formations.

[Laylabelle 9,370]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

But we need more than just being defensively sound or being able to keep possession (you're making this sound like a total positive just because Sarri hasn't gone all Brendan Rodgers on us). I'm looking at our attacking plays. Sarri is supposed to improve us on this but have not seen much difference when compared to Conte/Mourinho's reign. And if I'm being cynical, I'd say Sarri is benefiting from the defensive work that Mourinho/Conte instilled in the team, even with the change in formations.

That's the issue our attacking is crap if can't score from it. It hasn't really changed. Odd glimmer then back to normal 

[Jase 43,479]

6 minutes ago, DDA said:

Honestly, I think the players we have just don't give a fuck.

They sleepwalk through matches. 

In the last two games, we started well but then went off the boil after that. Prior to those games, we always started slowly but got better after that. Seriously, WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?! 

[Tomo 21,733]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

But we need more than just being defensively sound or being able to keep possession (you're making this sound like a total positive just because Sarri hasn't gone all Brendan Rodgers on us). I'm looking at our attacking plays. Sarri is supposed to improve us on this but have not seen much difference when compared to Conte/Mourinho's reign. And if I'm being cynical, I'd say Sarri is benefiting from the defensive work that Mourinho/Conte instilled in the team, even with the change in formations.

I know we need more but it's still a starting point to what he wants to do, i would say being able to keep possession at this early stage is a positive, how bad were we against high pressing teams under Conte and especially Jose? Now with almost the same players we are playing out comfortably even against City and Liverpool.

He is basically changing the whole playing culture at this club with a broken pre season alongside it, if we are deep into next season with no to little signs of progress then we can panic but he in my opinion he's doing enough to earn the time to build.

[robsblubot 3,527]

8 minutes ago, Jason said:

But we need more than just being defensively sound or being able to keep possession (you're making this sound like a total positive just because Sarri hasn't gone all Brendan Rodgers on us). I'm looking at our attacking plays. Sarri is supposed to improve us on this but have not seen much difference when compared to Conte/Mourinho's reign. And if I'm being cynical, I'd say Sarri is benefiting from the defensive work that Mourinho/Conte instilled in the team, even with the change in formations.

While the manager can really influence defending, attacking and esp scoring is largely down to the quality of the attackers.

sarri has also been complaining about the mentality of the team, like tomo said, lack of urgency at times.

[Alabama 1,992]

8 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

That's the issue our attacking is crap if can't score from it. It hasn't really changed. Odd glimmer then back to normal 

Look no further when you have Willian Alonso spear heading the attack...it's more than enough reason to have shit attack...am not even including a striker cos we have none at the moment...we are so jackpacked with shit players that don't understand the simple basics of pass and move the fulcrum of Sarri attacking brand of football....we either buy quality striker in January and ship off Willian to an unknown island or try clinical attacking right winger cos as we speak our attack stinks of shit....

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I know we need more but it's still a starting point to what he wants to do, i would say being able to keep possession at this early stage is a positive, how bad were we against high pressing teams under Conte and especially Jose? Now with almost the same players we are playing out comfortably even against City and Liverpool.

He is basically changing the whole playing culture at this club with a broken pre season alongside it, if we are deep into next season with no to little signs of progress then we can panic but he in my opinion he's doing enough to earn the time to build.

Not sure if teaching the players how to keep possession - which mind you, we are still bad at it, as seen after conceding today - is gonna keep a manager in the job if there are more bad results down the line...

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

At least one thing is certain: this bloke wont last long if he keeps being so stubborn like his predecessors.

And the way its going, this looks like we are going to watch the hungarian, greek and other giants again next season. 

 

[Laylabelle 9,370]

2 minutes ago, Bosnian Blue said:

At least one thing is certain: this bloke wont last long if he keeps being so stubborn like his predecessors.

And the way its going, this looks like we are going to watch the hungarian, greek and other giants again next season. 

 

Way arsenal are going do think we'll finish outside. Unless something changes. He must be able to see we're a bit crap and certain players aren't working for now. So frustrating. If we can all see it.. 

[Jase 43,479]

44 minutes ago, DDA said:

Sarri is not helping the situation mind. Starting Alonso week in, week out is mind boggling but to start Willian over CHO is a fucking disgrace. I don't give a flying fuck if Willian defends better, his first and foremost purpose it to attack which he is hopeless at doing.

Forgot to mention this - I know managers will need the players to adapt to their tactics etc but can't help but look over at Arsenal and see Emery willing to play the kids in the cup games and sometimes even the league games while Sarri, like Conte, like Mourinho, hides behind the 'players need to adapt/they are not ready' excuses.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

It's all good saying that we need to back Sarri in the transfer market but you gotta ask, is he giving good reasons for us to do so? I mean, six months into his reign as our manager and we have barely seen the kind of football that he became known for at Napoli. Granted, I'd agree that we have some very average players in the team right now but given that he has had SIX months, shouldn't we be seeing the attacking football, the fluid movement in attacks etc at the very least, even just a tiny bit here and there? We do have some very average players but these are not players from the Conference. They are still decent enough to be playing/executing some kind of attacking football at the very least. But nope, the only major trait we've seen here from Sarri's Napoli side is us dominating possession but very little penetration. There have been times when it felt like Mourinho or Conte was still in charge because the football wasn't very much different at all.

Also, Sarri is so rigid with his formation and player selection for certain position. It's 4-3-3 or nothing. It's Jorginho or Fabregas as the deepest midfielder, it's Kovacic or Barkley or Loftus-Cheek as the left center-midfielder. Hell, Sarri has even thrown Loftus-Cheek out wide just to accommodate Kovacic or Barkley in that midfield role. Even Guardiola - arguably the best manager right now at possession/attacking football - is flexible and adaptable enough to change formation from time to time and switch players around within the formation. With Sarri, it's so rigid that it's becoming probably predictable and easy for opponents to deal with us. It also doesn't help that Sarri has been channeling his inner-Mourinho and persisting with players who's out of form etc. 

And oh, Sarri said after today's game that he doesn't understand why we keep on reacting badly to conceding goals. He's been saying that a lot recently and it's a concern when you keep on hearing your manager say that and no closer to finding out the exact problem...

Im dissapointed so far, but tbh Sarriball will take at least two seasons to crack in. Hopefuly people didnt expect Napoli style in 6 months.

Question is will the board be patient so long? 

Second thing is that the players look like they dont give a flying fuck since City and pool ran away by couple points.

Third thing is we do have good ball retention under pressure at the back which is definately Sarri work.

That said, Sarri has to solve many issues.

Drop Willian and Alonso for one. If he believes we dont have anyone in current team to replace them, fair play, then we gotta buy. But hopefuly he doesnt think those two are good enough ffs.

Get proper striker or false 9 and put Eden back in his lw spot.

Either sort out Jorginho and Kante or bench one of them (absolute stupidity to do so with such players, but its just not working atm).

Long term, CB and midfielder because Kovacic absolutely isnt good enough for his role. He is cool with his passing and has decent workrate, but end product is not acceptable and it also effects Jorginho who is always marked since Kovacic cant get away with ball to drag players on him.

[DDA 9,689]

Just now, Jason said:

It's all good saying that we need to back Sarri in the transfer market but you gotta ask, is he giving good reasons for us to do so? I mean, six months into his reign as our manager and we have barely seen the kind of football that he became known for at Napoli. Granted, I'd agree that we have some very average players in the team right now but given that he has had SIX months, shouldn't we be seeing the attacking football, the fluid movement in attacks etc at the very least, even just a tiny bit here and there? We do have some very average players but these are not players from the Conference. They are still decent enough to be playing/executing some kind of attacking football at the very least. But nope, the only major trait we've seen here from Sarri's Napoli side is us dominating possession but very little penetration. There have been times when it felt like Mourinho or Conte was still in charge because the football wasn't very much different at all.

Also, Sarri is so rigid with his formation and player selection for certain position. It's 4-3-3 or nothing. It's Jorginho or Fabregas as the deepest midfielder, it's Kovacic or Barkley or Loftus-Cheek as the left center-midfielder. Hell, Sarri has even thrown Loftus-Cheek out wide just to accommodate Kovacic or Barkley in that midfield role. Even Guardiola - arguably the best manager right now at possession/attacking football - is flexible and adaptable enough to change formation from time to time and switch players around within the formation. With Sarri, it's so rigid that it's becoming probably predictable and easy for opponents to deal with us. 

And oh, Sarri said after today's game that he doesn't understand why we keep on reacting badly to conceding goals. He's been saying that a lot recently and it's a concern when you keep on hearing your manager say that and no closer to finding out the exact problem...

Honestly, I think the players we have just don't give a fuck.

They sleepwalk through matches. 

There is no pride or passion. Absolutely fuck all from any of them. You get glipses from Azpi, Eden and sometiems Luiz. The rest are a bunch of mercenaries. 

Sarri is not helping the situation mind. Starting Alonso week in, week out is mind boggling but to start Willian over CHO is a fucking disgrace. I don't give a flying fuck if Willian defends better, his first and foremost purpose it to attack which he is hopeless at doing. 

He is making best of the striker situation. We simply don't have one so he can't be blamed for that. 

 

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, DDA said:

Honestly, I think the players we have just don't give a fuck.

They sleepwalk through matches. 

There is no pride or passion. Absolutely fuck all from any of them. You get glipses from Azpi, Eden and sometiems Luiz. The rest are a bunch of mercenaries. 

Sarri is not helping the situation mind. Starting Alonso week in, week out is mind boggling but to start Willian over CHO is a fucking disgrace. I don't give a flying fuck if Willian defends better, his first and foremost purpose it to attack which he is hopeless at doing. 

He is making best of the striker situation. We simply don't have one so he can't be blamed for that. 

 

Why did you just post the same thing?  

[DDA 9,689]

Just now, Jason said:

Why did you just post the same thing?  

I'm not quite sure what's happened there. That's Samsung for you!!