Matías Vecino

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  On 31/07/2018 at 01:46, Sideshow Luiz said:

I'm not sure we've been after Vecino for 2 months.  But, I highly doubt that we were anywhere near SMS, Thiago, Pjanic.  We possibly asked "how much?".

I'd be surprised if we didn't show some interest in at least 1 of the 3. 

 

 

Just saying if that is the case, the drop down in quality is staggering.

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  On 31/07/2018 at 01:49, LAM09 said:

I'd be surprised if we didn't show any interest in at least 1 of the 3.

Just saying if that is the case, the drop down in quality is staggering.

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I guess it depends on your definition of "interest".  By Chelsea standards, we have "interest" in lots of players.  Players that we have been monitoring for years.

I'm of the mind that more that most of the stories are out there to incite a bidding war (SMS), or a new contract (Thiago & Pjanic).  The Pjanic one made no sense.  He's a DLP, he replaced Pirlo at Juve.  We were linked with him right after signing Jorginho.  

I think we were really close to Alisson, but got beaten by Liverpool which would have seen Courtois out.  I think they've been working on alternatives since then.  Vecino seems to have come up because Sarri's had more time to see Bakayoko and he knows Vecino.  

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  On 31/07/2018 at 01:49, LAM09 said:

I'd be surprised if we didn't show any interest in at least 1 of the 3.

Just saying if that is the case, the drop down in quality is staggering.

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And you are surprised WHY MATE? You know what she does. A manager tells her or her peon that he need a ACM, lets say he tells her Savic She trotts off finds out what he actually does and falls on her arse at his value. When sge get her head together she goes to Whoscored and finds a cheap replacement for him.  But  in her non footballing head they have the same strengths and she thinks shes the dogs bollox cause shes saved £70mill and got the same position player.

And it wont change any time soon till our whole transfer system does and we get a DOF that understands the crack.

WTF happened to Ballack?

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  On 31/07/2018 at 02:11, Unionjack said:

And you are surprised WHY MATE? You know what she does. A manager tells her or her peon that he need a ACM, lets say he tells her Savic She trotts off finds out what he actually does and falls on her arse at his value. When sge get her head together she goes to Whoscored and finds a cheap replacement for him.  But  in her non footballing head they have the same strengths and she thinks shes the dogs bollox cause shes saved £70mill and got the same position player. And it wont change any time soon till our whole transfer system does and we get a DOF that understands the crack. WTF happened to Ballack?

 

 

I live in hope that after 4+ windows, she might have learnt a thing or two. Roman needs to decide sooner rather than later what he wants from the club. 

 

Are we just another business venture now or a club wanting to be amongst the best once again. You can't have it all, even though our two league titles have masked that.

 

 

 

 

 

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  On 31/07/2018 at 02:20, LAM09 said:

I would live in hope that after 4+ windows, she might have learned a thing or two. Roman needs to decide sooner rather than later what he wants from the club.

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I think she has to show to the business world shes tough. She seems to need to squeeze every penny out of any deal at all even for the sake of losing good players. If he is so pissed off and he cant be arsed any more he should pass us on. We should be a going concern.

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  On 31/07/2018 at 02:26, Unionjack said:

I think she has to show to the business world shes tough. She seems to need to squeeze every penny out of any deal at all even for the sake of losing good players. If he is so pissed off and he cant be arsed any more he should pass us on. We should be a going concern.

There has been a decent amount of noise in the last few weeks about a potential 2bn takeover.

Whether it's more nonsense or not, is another story

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  On 31/07/2018 at 02:29, LAM09 said:

There has been a decent amount of noise in the last few weeks about a potential 2bn takeover.

Whether it's more nonsense or not, is another story

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Least Jim would get a better seat. I wonder who uses his ticket when he doesnt go to a game?

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  On 31/07/2018 at 01:37, LAM09 said:

We need to put an end to these stop gap signings. How do we go from SMS, Thiago or Pjanic to him?

 

 

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actually went from Seri to Golovin to him

 I would rather stick with RLC and Barkley. But I get Sarri's view. We may need cover in this position especially if he is offloading Drinkwater and Baka

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  On 31/07/2018 at 03:38, Strike said:

actually went from Seri to Golovin to him

 I would rather stick with RLC and Barkley. But I get Sarri's view. We may need cover in this position especially if he is offloading Drinkwater and Baka

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your conflating positions

Golovin is an AMF or even can play winger but also can be really hard-nosed at trackbacks

Seri is a very good dribbling pure CMF with oki but not great defensive skills

Vecino is like a less offensive CMF with DMF tendencies and is not a great passer (I can confirm, however, he is better on the ball than Bakayoko, but then again so is my wife (she played girls footie in public school) lolol

 

they are not at all similar players (Golovin and Seri are closer in type than vecino to either).

Only Golovin will get you a few goals (and then not enough IMHO) , Seri 2 years ago (7) was a fluke, he is more like a 1, 2,3 a year goal scorer

he also has never really played on a pressing club

I will be honest, I dont TRULY rate any of them

if forced, I would take Golovin, because he is only 22 (b day was 2 months ago) 

5 years from now, Seri is 32, same for Vecino (he turns 27 in August)

 

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  On 31/07/2018 at 04:06, Vesper said:

your conflating positions

Golovin is an AMF or even can play winger but also can be really hard-nosed at trackbacks

Seri is a very good dribbling pure CMF with oki but not great defensive skills

Vecino is like a less offensive CMF with DMF tendencies and is not a great passer (I can confirm, however, he is better on the ball than Bakayoko, but then again so is my wife (she played girls footie in public school) lolol

 

they are not at all similar players (Golovin and Seri are closer in type than vecino to either).

Only Golovin will get you a few goals (and then not enough IMHO) , Seri 2 years ago (7) was a fluke, he is more like a 1, 2,3 a year goal scorer

he also has never really played on a pressing club

I will be honest, I dont TRULY rate any of them

if forced, I would take Golovin, because he is only 22 (b day was 2 months ago) 

5 years from now, Seri is 32, same for Vecino (he turns 27 in August)

 

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So with all that said why does it seem that Sarri is so gung ho for Vecino? It cant be purely because he was in one of his teams. There has to be other options he could have asked for yet this chap is apparently off of his 1st ants list.

He really must rate him

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  On 31/07/2018 at 04:25, Unionjack said:

So with all that said why does it seem that Sarri is so gung ho for Vecino? It cant be purely because he was in one of his teams. There has to be other options he could have asked for yet this chap is apparently off of his 1st ants list.

He really must rate him

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That's the £30m question.

I completely understand why he wants Rugani (who I do rate, unlike most on here, although I would rather have Caldara I think, maybe, it's a tossup, therefore I defer to Sarri)

But as for Vecino,  to quote Churchill

 It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

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  On 31/07/2018 at 04:30, Vesper said:

That's the £30m question.

I completely understand why he wants Rugani (who I do rate, unlike most on here, although I would rather have Caldara I think, maybe, it's a tossup, therefore I defer to Sarri)

But as for Vecino,  to quote Churchill

 It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

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As long as Sarri has one of the Enigma machines it will all be fine then cause I can't ever see our board laying out £250k for one! 

Knowing Granny she will think a £5k knockoff will do the job then we will be fucked again

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  On 31/07/2018 at 04:50, Unionjack said:

As long as Sarri has one of the Enigma machines it will all be fine then cause I can't ever see our board laying out £250k for one! 

Knowing Granny she will think a £5k knockoff will do the job then we will be fucked again

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she would take this one on a free

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  On 31/07/2018 at 04:06, Vesper said:

Vecino is like a less offensive CMF with DMF tendencies and is not a great passer (I can confirm,

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Is he creative? because if I understand the system we now would need to have a creative/offensive player in the 3 with Jorginho (the back line brain in the 3) and Kante (save our asses & destroy the opposition genius) ...

Are we venturing into the unknown now because Sarri knows a player? Purely based on what I read here, Vecino doesnt sounds like the player we need when we have a Barkley and RLC available. 

 

 

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  On 31/07/2018 at 04:54, Vesper said:

she would take this one on a free

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Would suit us fine. Its totally fucked!

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Guys pipe down

The deal won't happen...

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  On 31/07/2018 at 05:14, coolhead23 said:

Is he creative? because if I understand the system we now would need to have a creative/offensive player in the 3 with Jorginho (the back line brain in the 3) and Kante (save our asses & destroy the opposition genius) ...

Are we venturing into the unknown now because Sarri knows a player? Purely based on what I read here, Vecino doesnt sounds like the player we need when we have a Barkley and RLC available. 

 

 

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He is not very creative at all, from any of the 10 games or so I have seen him play. He is a bog standard holding CMF

I am very underwhelmed by him. He also was one of the few Uruguayans on the pitch who struggled in the World Cup other than their GK and some of the subs. Indecisive, errant with passes, didn't do well marking

He was subbed out for Lucas Torreira almost ever game.

His rating from the France game

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  On 31/07/2018 at 05:50, Vesper said:

He is not very creative at all, from any of the 10 games or so I have seen him play. He is a bog standard holding CMF

I am very underwhelmed by him. He also was one of the few Uruguayans on the pitch who struggled in the World Cup other than their GK and some of the subs. Indecisive, errant with passes, didn't do well marking

He was subbed out for Lucas Torreira almost ever game.

His rating from the France game

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Great ... just the guy we want and will go after.