Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Everyone on here knows and has said that Barkley is not good enough. Obvioulsy Lamps has a soft spot for Barkley and Mount so they are playing. Also because they are English and they understand him better than our other midfielders. But whilst Mount has at least some promise with his energy and would probably be a decent addition for a team that is already completed, he clearly has not the talent to carry our midfield which he currently is asked to do. Barkley on the other hand just is superfluous. He may be a good soldier who does what is asked of him to the best of his ability. Its just his ability is not there. He used to be an interesting talent back in his first 3 years at Everton when he would drive at defenders with pace and shoot from ourtrageous distance. Teams just couldnt deal with him. But this does not work vs parked buses. And as he matured he got positionally more disciplined he completely erased his natural attacking instincts to become the personified mediocrity he is now. He just relegated himself to be a complete redundancy. You can't blame him for trying to develop into a better player. Boy has he tried. He always wants the ball, always tries to work something hard, works hard in training from what i have read but he just does not cut it. Again, in a world where he could just drive through midfield keep his head down and shoot he would be perfect. But he neither has the talent nor the football intelligence to develop himself into what we need. It is foolish to insist on playing him. Today we did not really have other options... but even Lamps should have see the light now. OneMoSalah and killer1257 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,178 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 23 minutes ago, killer1257 said: How good is Rice technically? Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk quite good from all I see have seen him over the years killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 quite good from all I see have seen him over the yearsHow much do you think he is going to cost? I read that West Ham want 70 mio pounds Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 You all here want Barkley out but only a week ago that Lampard was praising him to the heavens... https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/lampard-first-class-barkley-dedicated-to-chelsea-cause/16mm4uppw1iaj13fn791r5d8g8 "I don’t think it is a new level for Ross. I played with him for England and against him. He has got great quality and I knew that. I think what he is doing is he is playing a very complete role," Lampard told reporters on Zoom at Stamford Bridge. "His work rate, for instance, is great, recovering, jumping out to defend at times from midfield areas. Obviously, he always has that goal threat with his technical qualities: right and left foot, great strikes. I have seen that and Ross has been absolutely dedicated to the cause. "In lockdown, just before lockdown against Everton and Liverpool. I am delighted with him and he just needs to keep those levels. There is more to come, there is more to come and his attitude has been first class. killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Then no sympathy if he gets sacked. Simple. Praising mediocrity. Atomiswave and Vesper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 47 minutes ago, Jason said: You all here want Barkley out but only a week ago that Lampard was praising him to the heavens... https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/lampard-first-class-barkley-dedicated-to-chelsea-cause/16mm4uppw1iaj13fn791r5d8g8 He is a goal threat... left foot... right foot... bla bla bla, he has scored 1 fucking PL goal this season. Okay he has 4 in the cups but 2 of them were against Grimsby and Forrest. The other two Liverpool and Leicester. He may be a ‘great soldier’ or show a good attitude but you need other things to be a top player at a top end club. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mak 4,459 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Lampard needs to disassociate from all of the superfluous bullshit he uses as an excuse to have him in the team; '''he's great in training, he's a great attitude'' etc. and look at the shit performances when he is on the pitch. Lampard also has to be biased cause he is an English lad, I can't see anything else logical. Simply put, Everton's leftovers are not good enough for Chelsea Football Club. Vesper, Alabama and Mufassir08 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,178 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Jason said: You all here want Barkley out but only a week ago that Lampard was praising him to the heavens... https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/lampard-first-class-barkley-dedicated-to-chelsea-cause/16mm4uppw1iaj13fn791r5d8g8 I am starting to think Lampard is full of shit Alabama, Atomiswave and The Mak 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,178 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, The Mak said: Lampard needs to disassociate from all of the superfluous bullshit he uses as an excuse to have him in the team; '''he's great in training, he's a great attitude'' etc. and look at the shit performances when he is on the pitch. Lampard also has to be biased cause he is an English lad, I can't see anything else logical. Simply put, Everton's leftovers are not good enough for Chelsea Football Club. yep It is pretty simple to see that a turd is a turd when it is on the grass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,178 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, killer1257 said: How much do you think he is going to cost? I read that West Ham want 70 mio pounds Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk I think £55m or so would prise him away, £60m max killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,320 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Not on the bench for two games now? Frank rated him highly before. He was MOTM against Pool in cup for example... He is leaving I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alabama 1,992 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, NikkiCFC said: Not on the bench for two games now? Frank rated him highly before. He was MOTM against Pool in cup for example... He is leaving I guess... Good that...with him Willian Jorginho Alonso Emerson Rudiger Zouma Kepa we ainy getting anywhere as a team... Supermonkey92 and Fernando 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,320 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Apparently he was ill for last two games. Nobody gives a fuck it seems? I think he can be our x factor in the next 2 games. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kajo 176 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Barkley has been quite useful for us but also you can tell he's not good enough for the level Chelsea would like to play at. I think we should try at use him in the deal for Rice. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,178 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 14 hours ago, Kajo said: Barkley has been quite useful for us but also you can tell he's not good enough for the level Chelsea would like to play at. I think we should try at use him in the deal for Rice. Bats + Barkley + £20m done and dusted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Vesper said: Bats + Barkley + £20m done and dusted Right but it's up to the players. Didn't Batshuayi reject a move there recently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,178 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: Right but it's up to the players. Didn't Batshuayi reject a move there recently? he needs to go somewhere he will play or he is done as an international player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapkun 668 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Vesper said: Bats + Barkley + £20m done and dusted I think Nizaar reported West Ham wouldn't accept any offer including Barkley or Michy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,178 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 9 hours ago, Rapkun said: I think Nizaar reported West Ham wouldn't accept any offer including Barkley or Michy. not even Barkley? they really need a CMF/AMF damn well, we have a TONNE of other options to toss their way we have more dregs, many of them pricey dregs, to liquidate than any other team on the planet, not kidding, if anyone can think of another, I would be more than happy to take a look plus some none dregs who still should go £500-550m or so (it dicey to say exactly, and that is NOT counting the actual value of of the last 4 at the end) worth of players here en toto (pre-COVID valuations are more when you count every single one listed) but obviously not all can be sold in one window We need to sell (so much, my head spins every time) Álvaro Morata (Done, great business) Mario Pasalic (Done, and yes, we got hosed for around £15m, but we had no guarantees at the time, I am not that upset) Andreas Christensen (he has GOT to go and be upgraded upon, I would prefer both he and Zouma be sold, but that is probably not happening in one window unless we get 2 incredible buy deals tossed into our laps, which is so unlikely) I just do not see what Lamps sees in our 4 main CB's, they (and Kepa) make my tummy churn every game. Even Alonso has not done that for ages (I have been happy with his pay overall, except for that West Ham choke, arrrrffff). Ross Barkley (if we can get say £30m, even 35m (he is English and is only 26 and is in his prime) for him, he will never be worth more (well COVID maybe lowers that a bit, but not much) plus Bayer failed to get CL then a Barks sale plus Havertz buy is only around £45-55m or so net spend) Tiemoué Bakayoko Emerson Michy Batshuayi Davide Zappacosta Danny Drinkwater (SMDH) Jorginho (Juve need to cough up serious cash or work a swap deal involving de Ligt for Jorgi plus cash or maybe Emerson as I rate those 2 as being worth £70-80m-ish, although that is probably an pipe dream now that he has rebounded a bit the last 6 months) Abdul Rahman Baba Victor Moses Kenedy Marco van Ginkel Juan Familia-Castillo (as Ajax did not exercise their option to buy, or keep him and see if he can ever be a decent LB, which looks doubtful atm, based off my watching him in Holland) Nathan (sold for almost £3m) Charly Musonda Jr. Danilo Pantic (transferred on a free, BUT we get a cut of his next sale) Matt Miazga Lewis Baker Jamal Blackman Lucas Piazón Jake Clarke-Salter Izzy Brown Josh Grant (released) Richard Nartey (released) Luke McCormick Jacob Maddox We could sell Kepa (not likely, especially due to crazy wages for the next 5 years and his £72m transfer fee, ie. how much are we willing to lose of that overall) Zouma (sorry, he is shit too) Marcos Alonso (only if we buy two LB's which is not likely this window, I am oki with him as a the backup as he is curve ball option in certain types of games) N'Golo Kanté (only way I see him being sold is if we get Rice and a really HIGH offer comes in. Here is a reality check either way: he is injured far too often and his value has already plummeted and truly will plummet after this summer. It is complicated, and made further complicated by the fact he is NOWHERE near WC as an RMF in a 3 man MF, he simply is not that great there, other than an odd game here and there, Lampard jacked up the team forcing him back in too early) The 2 I would keep Olivier Giroud (I would DEFFO keep him) Rudiger (very, very unlikely, especially as he is helping recruit these German players, plus I expect him to rebound, go back to a higher level of play, I know many hate him, but it is what it is and I have faith he screws his head on tight next year) Leave on a free Willian (cunt) Pedro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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