19. Mason Mount

[Jap Si. 50]

On 29/08/2021 at 02:09, NikkiCFC said:

I saw this pics last season many times. MM is just work horse, zero talent and intelligence. Every time I see him starting I roll with my eyes. Problem with MM in both England and Chelsea he starts ahead of way superior players and this is hard for people to accept. Nothing to do with him. Grealish, Foden, Sancho, Pulisic, Werner, Ziyech... He starts ahead of them. How do you explain this? Not possible... He is like Lingard in United. He will be here at 26 still considered academy talent until we finally move him. 

Terrible post all fans have player they are not keen on but this is like Mount is pub player but at TWENTY TWO is a Champion League Winner, player of the year, England regular and been at Chelsea since he was 10. You can't be Chelsea fan and hate someone this bad as I said to you before stick to FIFA.

[NikkiCFC 6,470]

28 minutes ago, Jap Si. said:

Terrible post all fans have player they are not keen on but this is like Mount is pub player but at TWENTY TWO is a Champion League Winner, player of the year, England regular and been at Chelsea since he was 10. You can't be Chelsea fan and hate someone this bad as I said to you before stick to FIFA.

I support Chelsea around 20 years, you said you started following football a couple of years ago, you are absolutely not competent to speak with me. 

Edited September 16, 2021 by NikkiCFC

[OhForAGreavsie 5,108]

On 29/08/2021 at 05:05, robsblubot said:

Brilliant player and extremely intelligent. One of my favorite players in the team.

No matter the manager, he will always play when fit. He will play for us and he will play for England, because he brings so much to the team.

His tactical awareness is key in making a team competitive. All competitive sides have this type of player in their starting XI, but we have the best version of that type of player. Mount is young and will improve, but right now he's already an attacking threat especially considering all else that he already does for the team.  
you know not long ago this fella assisted in a CL final. He seems to up his game against the toughest opposition. That’s what I like most about him.

I like Mason's strengths. Indeed if it wasn't for those strengths he wouldn't a point for discussion because he wouldn't get in the team. 

I agree that TT, or any CFC manager, will want to pick Mason but I do get frustrated when he misses makeable opportunities to launch an attack, create a chance or score a goal. This is a fine judgement because all players fail to maximise situations. If they didn't we'd be watching 10 - 10 draws a lot of weeks. The game is fun because scoring goals is hard but TT's regular observation that we lack 'precision' shows he feels we should be doing better in some situations. I consider Mason to be a culprit in this.

We all want our squad to improve continually. If Mason does not show the progression you are expecting from him then eventually there will be a new squad member who will give Mason a fight for his place. This is the nature of a footballers life. 

Edited September 16, 2021 by OhForAGreavsie

[Jap Si. 50]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

I support Chelsea around 20 years, you said you started following football a couple of years ago, you are absolutely not competent to speak with me. 

That is true where I'm from football not big. But I don't believe you have support Chelsea for 20 years and I don't write posts saying terrible things about our players none of which are true. Buy the way also you hate on English national team calling Southgate clown despite getting England to semi final of WC  and final of Euro's which is pretty good I feel.

[DH1988 953]

21 minutes ago, Mana said:

People here were banging on he's the next prime hybrid Fabregas/Lampard. He's nowhere near. People can use their xT, xG, xP, xA all they like, I see through my eyes and what I see is Mount is a player that Chelsea fans protect and defend because he's "one of our own".

Ziyech, Werner, Pulisic doesn't get so much love compared to Mount and they have also been average/poor at best, so "one of our own" is a very valid reason.

Mount has showed little to no progression for me so far. This season he HAS to improve. I want more assists and goals. An upward trajectory. He has Lukaku now, become the next de Bruyne. Because right now, he's just a workhorse. And that's why TT and Southgate love the guy. Because even though he's at his worst, he works hard on that pitch. That's one thing I can't fault on, his workrate.

We are Champions of Europe because of that assist to Havertz. Well done. I can only wish he could do more of that. Not one of these rare moments that he does an assist. Because we need more of that in the PL.

Honestly, if Mount has more or less the same goals/assists as last season, it's time to find a replacement and for him to be a bench player. We did this with Abraham, we should do this for Mount as well.

We seriously need more creativity.

Totally agree with this, as much as he's one of our own etc and we all want the Academy boys to shine, this is a defining season for Mount. I hope he seriously realises that as well, otherwise the only option is to be looking at replacements.

[ZAPHOD2319 1,619]

It is telling that both Lampard and Tuchel have moved him to different positions to find a place for him to shine. It is a shame he does not play the DM role. His tenacity would be great if he had the skills of Kante.

[DH1988 953]

The energy and work rate he brings is pivotal to the way we play, so ultimately, it is valued higher than other parts of the game. 

Mount seems to rush his passes and shots as well, he often gets into the right positions to shoot or play that pass, fluffs it usually, perhaps it'll come with maturity.

[MoroccanBlue 3,939]

1 hour ago, DH1988 said:

The energy and work rate he brings is pivotal to the way we play, so ultimately, it is valued higher than other parts of the game. 

Mount seems to rush his passes and shots as well, he often gets into the right positions to shoot or play that pass, fluffs it usually, perhaps it'll come with maturity.

He overthinks. Look at Grealish's goal last night. He virtually does that almost every game. Get into positions to create a chance.

When was the last time we saw Mount even attempt something like that? Liverpool away? It doesn't come naturally to him as he isn't that sort of player yet. 

[robsblubot 2,683]

On 16/09/2021 at 05:08, OhForAGreavsie said:

I like Mason's strengths. Indeed if it wasn't for those strengths he wouldn't a point for discussion because he wouldn't get in the team. 

I agree that TT, or any CFC manager, will want to pick Mason but I do get frustrated when he misses makeable opportunities to launch an attack, create a chance or score a goal. This is a fine judgement because all players fail to maximise situations. If they didn't we'd be watching 10 - 10 draws a lot of weeks. The game is fun because scoring goals is hard but TT's regular observation that we lack 'precision' shows he feels we should be doing better in some situations. I consider Mason to be a culprit in this.

We all want our squad to improve continually. If Mason does not show the progression you are expecting from him then eventually there will be a new squad member who will give Mason a fight for his place. This is the nature of a footballers life. 

Agreed. I think he's progressing nicely though. It's always a curve with ups and downs.

However, like I write below, he will never be a super creative player, and that's fine. We can fill that (creative) role elsewhere in the team.

On 16/09/2021 at 06:04, Mana said:

People here were banging on he's the next prime hybrid Fabregas/Lampard. He's nowhere near. People can use their xT, xG, xP, xA all they like, I see through my eyes and what I see is Mount is a player that Chelsea fans protect and defend because he's "one of our own".

Ziyech, Werner, Pulisic doesn't get so much love compared to Mount and they have also been average/poor at best, so "one of our own" is a very valid reason.

Mount has showed little to no progression for me so far. This season he HAS to improve. I want more assists and goals. An upward trajectory. He has Lukaku now, become the next de Bruyne. Because right now, he's just a workhorse. And that's why TT and Southgate love the guy. Because even though he's at his worst, he works hard on that pitch. That's one thing I can't fault on, his workrate.

We are Champions of Europe because of that assist to Havertz. Well done. I can only wish he could do more of that. Not one of these rare moments that he does an assist. Because we need more of that in the PL.

Honestly, if Mount has more or less the same goals/assists as last season, it's time to find a replacement and for him to be a bench player. We did this with Abraham, we should do this for Mount as well.

We seriously need more creativity.

Think your focus here is misplaced on mount. What you want from Mount, and what the manager wants from him, seem to be very different things indeed. Not only Tuchel... every manager loves him! Tuchel leaves and the first player on the starting XI will be mount.... wanna bet?!

You are looking at this from one PoV only, and only attacking minded. Mount's worse than Lampard and Fabregas (they were nothing alike either) in some aspects and better in others. I'd say characteristics wise, Mount's nothing like Lampard much less fabregas. He's a fine player with his own characteristics. His mobility alone should make that abundantly clear.

If you want more creativity, well, that's why there are other positions we can use to add more creativity. It's not mount's fault Ziyech is such a shit player. That Odoi can't take the next step in his game. That Pulisic is up and down both form and fitness wise (and a bit too similar to Werner).

Lukaku himself isn't a very creative striker (say like Benzema or Lewa), who can help make the team tick. It's not his fault... we got him knowing what he does on the pitch. It's up to the club and manager to provide what Lukaku lacks elsewhere on the pitch. And it's the same with Mount.That's why you build a team with different characteristics and skillsets.

Think folks here seem to be focusing on his position too much, while what really matters is his role in the squad.

Edited September 18, 2021 by robsblubot

[NikkiCFC 6,470]

I dont buy his injury. TT said he got injured during Cup game but he finished that game and even took penalty. Before City he said if game is on Sunday instead of Saturday he would play but he is still out.

I think he was given some time off to recover from whatever is going on with him... Even his big fans are surprised with how bad he is this season. His last good game was in May.

[MoroccanBlue 3,939]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

I dont buy his injury. TT said he got injured during Cup game but he finished that game and even took penalty. Before City he said if game is on Sunday instead of Saturday he would play but he is still out.

I think he was given some time off to recover from whatever is going on with him... Even his big fans are surprised with how bad he is this season. His last good game was in May.

I agree. Think Tuchel is giving him a break. 

[Stats 6,706]

Last 2 games have shown how badly he is missed. His work rate, his runs with and without the ball and his ability to draw fouls is underestimated. Last 2 games we have looked lost for ideas offensively. His importance in the team is realised more when he is not playing.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,108]

9 hours ago, Stats said:

Last 2 games have shown how badly [Mason] is missed.

As I've put it, his absence has shown the position we're in. He is the player we can't live without and, when he plays, we can't help but feel that we need more from him. Can't live without him, can't quite live with him.

[MoroccanBlue 3,939]

It's no mystery Mount is essential in the big games. Although his poor form was blatant. Time off was needed. 

[Jase 43,409]

In the 30-man list for the Ballon d'Or.

cc @NikkiCFC 

[NikkiCFC 6,470]

5 hours ago, Jase said:

In the 30-man list for the Ballon d'Or.

cc @NikkiCFC 

He is not even the weirdest name there. Moreno lol 

Surprised with no Rudiger. 

Speaking of Mount since 7th April (so 6+ months) he scored just one goal in last 29 games for England and Chelsea. That sitter Puli set him against Madrid. 

By saying this I totally expect him to score tonight against Andorra. 

[Tomo 20,851]

 

[Beigl 1,340]

21 hours ago, Tomo said:

 

 

I suppose some people will be very angry if he gets a top 20 place. 

[nyikolajevics 2,114]

46 minutes ago, Beigl said:

I suppose some people will be very angry if he gets a top 20 place. 

Any people actually care about 4-30th rankings? I don't even get why they nominate 30 players.. Nobody could think in their right mind that Bonucci, Chiellini, Barella, Kjaer, Azpilicueta, Mahrez or Gerrard Moreno would win.. Or could many other names.

[OneMoSalah 7,705]

Lets hoping he kicks on now and gets more goals and assists.

Only thing missing from his game is regularly scoring or assisting, other than that he is a very good player, when the G+A come regularly people maybe see his true value then. 

Undoubtedly had a bad patch but you see how infectious his energy is to the team and how highly he is clearly thought of.