Mason Mount

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On 9/30/2020 at 10:26 PM, Jason said:

 

That imo is bad analysis. There is no requirement for a no 10 to ask for the ball. On 2nd frame, if the ball can go to azpi it was 4vs 3 at the back. 

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That imo is bad analysis. There is no requirement for a no 10 to ask for the ball. On 2nd frame, if the ball can go to azpi it was 4vs 3 at the back. 

I agree with that. Big problem we had is that oli was isolated all game so I don't think the problem was mount being too high up the pitch.

I do agree he is more suited to a deeper role than a number 10 though obviously

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1 hour ago, communicate said:

There is no requirement for a no 10 to ask for the ball.

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Watch out, he'll choose 8 as his jersey #, wait and see 

[OneMoSalah 8,614]

6 minutes ago, ahmedou said:

Watch out, he'll choose 8 as his jersey #, wait and see 

Pretty sure you can't play with two different numbers in one season? Plus Barkley had already played and wore 8? Might be wrong but pretty sure he can't change it to 8 now as its been used and hes already been registered as wearing 19? 

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On 30/09/2020 at 3:55 PM, kellzfresh said:

I actually think mount would be good in the No. 6. He is a runner, tackler, energetic and a lot of midfielders have had his traits and gone on to become great footballers. But he's not a no. 10 and Lampard has to realize this sooner.

Lacks the tactical discipline to play as a defensive midfielder. That's why he is a 8 or a 10 for me. Think as well, like Kante, if you just ask him to play in front of the defence you do take away his ability to break away and get further up the pitch.

Regarding that tweet as well with the different screenshots, yes and no partly on him partly on the others not playing higher. There is no need for Kovacic and Jorginho to both be so deep. Even if we are playing 4231 there but again, you've got the ball, your under no pressure, the CBs are both there, your outnumbering them 3 to 2 if their strikers push up.

The way I see it is:

Jorginho should be the deepest when we have it (position hes in in both photos) because he is arguably the most comfortable on the ball and can play through the lines from that sort of position or switch it as well as pick the ball up from the CBs if they are under pressure. Kovacic can carry the ball really well so for me should be taking the ball further up/looking to break into those spaces and drive the team forward in these situations. Mount can drop in there but not always necessarily have to if the ball can be carried by another MF player such as a Kovacic or even a Kante and then he is able to try find other spaces or get in the box.

There's no doubt it could be worked on but if he comes into there in the first one he's surrounded by 3 Tottenham players in close proximity and then the other 2 aren't a million miles away. Plus your taking him further away from the goal minimising his affect on the game even more. Okay he gets the ball but what does he do with it there realistically? The first photo they have the numerical advantage in that situation, that's why they are set up like that, its a small area, you can beat the first man or set yourself to play away from them but probably 9/10 times your probably going to be forced to go backwards or lose the ball trying something you'd see Messi do or Eden do or Neymar do etc. As mentioned, if it were a player like Eden, the odds would change for instance but again, you probably wouldn't see teams trying to play through their midfield there and most would go wider to where the space is. The space is there with Azpi and then you can possibly create the chance for a 2 v 1 situation on Regulion. 

Really the issue for me is Kovacic not going deciding to be more progressive and try pass to Callum, Azpi or even carry it forward himself in the first picture because he can take players on and carries the ball very well as we seen last season and in bits with Sarri. The second image is more applicable as an issue for Mason though for his actual positioning or even Giroud there, one of them gets in that space and receives the ball, their MF isn't an issue. Or even if Jorginho finds Giroud which I think is possible there surely? Really where Mount's standing is ideal for them because they know they wont try to play through that gap to get to him. He's basically hiding from the ball there because they've shut that pass off. Even with Werner as well we can't get him into the play because they've shut that pass off and if it was switched out there Aurier will not be far away either as he will be tucked in on that side as it looks like they've got a back 3 of Tanganga, Dier and Alderweireld visible in that photo. The most logical thing to do there is probably to go to Giroud who can play it to Azpi and again you get the opportunity to create a 2 v 1 on Regulion. Again. And if one of the CBs (Dier I think?) follow Giroud and he gets rolled, then you've taken someone out of position and are running at their backline. Maybe thats what happened I can't find an actual clip of it anywhere though or a replay to watch it. 

For me, the first photo Kovacic is capable of playing that out to Callum's feet who has a few metres away from the fullback. Or Azpilicueta if he wants to be a bit safer. Or taking it forward himself 10-15 yards. In the second image Jorginho can surely find Giroud there? Who in turn could find Mason as he looked pretty close to him and could surely make a movement to get it or go to Azpi or Jorgi could lift it to Azpilicueta in the firstplace. Or again go a bit more progressive and look to try get Callum in behind their fullback? Both have the ability and passing ranges to do these passes. 

This could all be a load of shite in someone else's opinion but thats just the way I see it. Spurs wanted us to try these passes through their midfield, into a position where they have the numerical advantage when they sat off us and could the break on us as we'd have too many players up the pitch. Its typical Jose Mourinho. Their 352 set up they matched our CBs with two strikers, they outnumbered us in defence 3 against our 1 upfront and in midfield they also matched us up, having a holding player who could mark that space a 10 would play in and then two players to the sides of him who would match up Jorginho and Kovacic who didn't really venture forward too much. I mean they probably wanted Jorginho to have the ball and try find people like Mason in these central areas as it would allow them to break on us.

Remember when we drew with Arsenal years ago when Jose came back and he said something along the lines of "we controlled them/the game" because they couldn't get the ball to the likes of Ozil, Sanchez etc. He basically did the exact same against us at times. Packed midfield, make us go wide as opposed to playing more centrally, cross it, 3 big CBs, a GK who's good at claiming crosses. First half even then we dominated but never really threatened them enough. So it was very much the same. 

 

Also apologies for not putting this post in same one as last one. Didn't see tweet link in here to after but felt the need to reply haha.  

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2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Lacks the tactical discipline to play as a defensive midfielder. That's why he is a 8 or a 10 for me. Think as well, like Kante, if you just ask him to play in front of the defence you do take away his ability to break away and get further up the pitch.

Regarding that tweet as well with the different screenshots, yes and no partly on him partly on the others not playing higher. There is no need for Kovacic and Jorginho to both be so deep. Even if we are playing 4231 there but again, you've got the ball, your under no pressure, the CBs are both there, your outnumbering them 3 to 2 if their strikers push up.

The way I see it is:

Jorginho should be the deepest when we have it (position hes in in both photos) because he is arguably the most comfortable on the ball and can play through the lines from that sort of position or switch it as well as pick the ball up from the CBs if they are under pressure. Kovacic can carry the ball really well so for me should be taking the ball further up/looking to break into those spaces and drive the team forward in these situations. Mount can drop in there but not always necessarily have to if the ball can be carried by another MF player such as a Kovacic or even a Kante and then he is able to try find other spaces or get in the box.

There's no doubt it could be worked on but if he comes into there in the first one he's surrounded by 3 Tottenham players in close proximity and then the other 2 aren't a million miles away. Plus your taking him further away from the goal minimising his affect on the game even more. Okay he gets the ball but what does he do with it there realistically? The first photo they have the numerical advantage in that situation, that's why they are set up like that, its a small area, you can beat the first man or set yourself to play away from them but probably 9/10 times your probably going to be forced to go backwards or lose the ball trying something you'd see Messi do or Eden do or Neymar do etc. As mentioned, if it were a player like Eden, the odds would change for instance but again, you probably wouldn't see teams trying to play through their midfield there and most would go wider to where the space is. The space is there with Azpi and then you can possibly create the chance for a 2 v 1 situation on Regulion. 

Really the issue for me is Kovacic not going deciding to be more progressive and try pass to Callum, Azpi or even carry it forward himself in the first picture because he can take players on and carries the ball very well as we seen last season and in bits with Sarri. The second image is more applicable as an issue for Mason though for his actual positioning or even Giroud there, one of them gets in that space and receives the ball, their MF isn't an issue. Or even if Jorginho finds Giroud which I think is possible there surely? Really where Mount's standing is ideal for them because they know they wont try to play through that gap to get to him. He's basically hiding from the ball there because they've shut that pass off. Even with Werner as well we can't get him into the play because they've shut that pass off and if it was switched out there Aurier will not be far away either as he will be tucked in on that side as it looks like they've got a back 3 of Tanganga, Dier and Alderweireld visible in that photo. The most logical thing to do there is probably to go to Giroud who can play it to Azpi and again you get the opportunity to create a 2 v 1 on Regulion. Again. And if one of the CBs (Dier I think?) follow Giroud and he gets rolled, then you've taken someone out of position and are running at their backline. Maybe thats what happened I can't find an actual clip of it anywhere though or a replay to watch it. 

For me, the first photo Kovacic is capable of playing that out to Callum's feet who has a few metres away from the fullback. Or Azpilicueta if he wants to be a bit safer. Or taking it forward himself 10-15 yards. In the second image Jorginho can surely find Giroud there? Who in turn could find Mason as he looked pretty close to him and could surely make a movement to get it or go to Azpi or Jorgi could lift it to Azpilicueta in the firstplace. Or again go a bit more progressive and look to try get Callum in behind their fullback? Both have the ability and passing ranges to do these passes. 

This could all be a load of shite in someone else's opinion but thats just the way I see it. Spurs wanted us to try these passes through their midfield, into a position where they have the numerical advantage when they sat off us and could the break on us as we'd have too many players up the pitch. Its typical Jose Mourinho. Their 352 set up they matched our CBs with two strikers, they outnumbered us in defence 3 against our 1 upfront and in midfield they also matched us up, having a holding player who could mark that space a 10 would play in and then two players to the sides of him who would match up Jorginho and Kovacic who didn't really venture forward too much. I mean they probably wanted Jorginho to have the ball and try find people like Mason in these central areas as it would allow them to break on us.

Remember when we drew with Arsenal years ago when Jose came back and he said something along the lines of "we controlled them/the game" because they couldn't get the ball to the likes of Ozil, Sanchez etc. He basically did the exact same against us at times. Packed midfield, make us go wide as opposed to playing more centrally, cross it, 3 big CBs, a GK who's good at claiming crosses. First half even then we dominated but never really threatened them enough. So it was very much the same. 

 

Also apologies for not putting this post in same one as last one. Didn't see tweet link in here to after but felt the need to reply haha.  

Maybe I got my numbering wrong, but when I said he's a No. 6, I meant Mount is a box to box midfielder. Not defensive sitting midfielder. Taking mount deeper away from the goal will not weaken his game, I think it plays to his strengths. He does not have a keen eye for a defense splitting pass, so why should he play in Havertz position when we have better? And even against Westbrom he was almost man of the match because of his second half performance when Kovacic was removed and Mount had to play the box to box role beside Kante. That is Mounts true position imo.

Yes Mourinho's tactics played a big part in our lack of spaces. But if we played the right players in their right positions we could have overcome that. Do not underestimate the importance of intelligent players who know how to find spaces between the lines. They positionally disrupt defences with their passing and positional sense. 

The problem of Kovacic and his lack of forward progression I have spoken about it before here and I think Mount should take his position on the team. Theres no point of having all the dribbling if you cant use it to progress the team up the pitch. Mount at least can make things happen when he's deeper while I cant say the same about Kovacic.

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Mason did not play and our passing was suddenly so crisp, clean and fluent. Not that it bc of him missing but We didn’t miss him a bit

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1 hour ago, Magic Lamps said:

Mason did not play and our passing was suddenly so crisp, clean and fluent. Not that it bc of him missing but We didn’t miss him a bit

Yeah I feel in games like this where we're clearly gonna dominate possession, he might not be as needed. 

Would still at some point like to see a midfield three of Havertz Mount & Kanté however. 

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Mount goal.
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7 minutes ago, Last Sicarius said:

Mount goal.
https://streamable.com/666k1k

lucky deflection but at least he saw the chacne given by Mignolets terrible positioning.

arguably englands biggest win in the open era too lol

 

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It's funny seeing the hate he gets from both Chelsea and England fans, yet both managers select him on a regular basis and he keeps delivering.

[killer1257 3,282]

It's funny seeing the hate he gets from both Chelsea and England fans, yet both managers select him on a regular basis and he keeps delivering.

Just like Oscar and Willian.

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1 hour ago, killer1257 said:

Just like Oscar and Willian.

Willian was 3rd choice for 2 of his last 3 manager's at Chelsea.

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“He can do it for us” – Jamie Redknapp claims this England midfielder can replicate Kevin De Bruyne

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2020/10/12/mount-can-be-englands-de-bruyne-claims-redknapp/

Sky Sports pundit Jamie Redknapp claimed that Mason Mount can be England’s answer to Kevin De Bruyne after the Chelsea man’s man of the match performance against Belgium last night, report the Daily Mail.

Mount’s tireless 88 minute display against Roberto Martinez’s ‘Red Devils’ showed exactly why Gareth Southgate opted to include him in his starting eleven. His work on and off the ball for both club and country is truly commendable.

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Lampard and Southgate love Mount – and the trolls won’t change that

https://theathletic.com/2134576/2020/10/14/mason-mount-chelsea-england-southgate-lampard/

Has anyone got a legitimate explanation as to why they dislike Mason Mount so much?

There are many reasons why a footballer becomes very unpopular with members of the general public. It could be because they’re arrogant in interviews, guilty of terrible tackles on the pitch or that they behave badly in their private lives.

Mount is guilty of none of those things. So, what is his crime? Being selected regularly for club and country by Frank Lampard and Gareth Southgate.

It has become a common occurrence for the 21-year-old’s name to be trending on Twitter lately and when you click to find out why, a stream of negative, abusive comments flash up on the screen. It is all rather bizarre.

Rightly or wrongly, many will explain it away by saying, “That’s just the way it is with social media”. There isn’t a professional player in the sport who doesn’t get something nasty written about them at one time or another. However, it is the level of outcry over Mount that is particularly surprising.

Throughout the Roman Abramovich era, Chelsea fans have called for their academy players to be given a chance. Lampard obliged last season by playing the youngsters regularly, none more so than Mount, who made a remarkable 53 appearances.

Lampard’s backing has continued into this campaign so far, too, the Chelsea manager starting the midfielder in the first five matches before naming him on the bench against Crystal Palace last time out.

But among sections of Chelsea’s global fanbase, his constant presence in the first XI has not been greeted warmly. The vitriol among this group reached new heights when Mount missed a decisive spot kick in the Carabao Cup shootout defeat to Tottenham Hotspur last month. His omission from the Palace fixture was cause for celebration in their eyes.

The international break has provided no respite. Being with England on international duty has only succeeded in putting a new target on his back. He is public enemy No 1, especially among Aston Villa fans, for being picked ahead of Jack Grealish.

The Villa playmaker certainly impressed during a 3-0 victory over a weakened Wales side and many expected him to feature in Sunday’s UEFA Nations League fixture against Belgium but there was outrage when Grealish was on the bench and Mount appeared in the first XI instead.

Whether Mount was a conservative option or not, it seemed to evade the hate mob’s attention that he actually played on the right, a position that was filled against Wales by Danny Ings. It was Marcus Rashford who played in the position on the left that Grealish had filled three days before.

Mount ended up scoring the winner, albeit via a deflection, but that didn’t stop one national broadcaster from adding fuel to the flames by inviting callers to ring in, with the host saying: “I’d rather not win a World Cup with Jack Grealish entertaining us in the side than not win a World Cup with Mason Mount’s quality pressing.”

Should Southgate make the same decision against Denmark on Wednesday evening, inevitably, the Chelsea man’s presence will be seen in a negative light once more.

Football will always generate differences of opinion and there is nothing wrong in debating why you think one individual should be in the team ahead of another, but surely there is room for a little perspective? Mount isn’t the bad guy here.

Amid all the protests, one suitable question can be asked but no one seems to want to explore the answer: why is it that Lampard and Southgate choose Mount in their teams so often?

Well, whether you think he is not as gifted as Grealish for England or Mateo Kovacic or Hakim Ziyech for Chelsea, that doesn’t mean he is not a good player. Lampard and Southgate have played at the very highest level alongside team-mates boasting tremendous skill, so they know what it takes.

When you speak to people around the scene at club and international level, they talk in glowing terms about Mount’s attitude, desire and work rate. Sure, he has the flair — many players over the years can say that — but this youngster has the hunger to improve, too.

It is understood that when the Chelsea players are put through physical tests, he is up there with N’Golo Kante as one of the fittest players within the ranks. As a club insider puts it: “One of the reasons Lampard likes Mount is because he trains every day as if it is his last. He has the ambition to be one of the best. When the club made all the signings during the window, he reacted positively and made it obvious he was going to fight for his place.”

Mount said as much in an interview with Sky Sports ahead of the new season: “Chelsea are a massive club and they will always bring players over so, as an English player from this club, you know that’s going to happen.

“When you have players coming in, they are going to help the team out. You always have to have that outlook on it. There is always going to be that little bit of a feeling they could be coming into your position but with me, I am always positive and up for the challenge.

“The manager is massive on training, having that standard, so that when we go into the games, we are all ready. I love competing against my fellow players.”

He will know that many of the new arrivals are on a lot more money than he is. Sources at the club suggest Mount, who signed a five-year contract in July 2019, is one of the lowest-paid members of the Chelsea squad. Yet there has been no sulking or demands for a meeting to negotiate a pay-rise.

Mount has clearly earned Lampard’s trust. A credible nine goals and eight assists from 58 appearances means he either creates or finds the net for Chelsea almost once every three games. That helps.

But he is also prepared to put the team first before himself. Mount’s best position is as a No 8, where he can get between the lines, see the play in front of him and threaten in the final third. This is where he operated to help Chelsea come back from 3-0 down at West Bromwich Albion last month, scoring the opening goal with a sublime shot from 25 yards.

Yet he is not played there very often. Indeed, he has been used in a variety of roles, some of which don’t complement his creative instincts. For example, against Bayern Munich in the Champions League at home last season and for the visit of Liverpool in September, Lampard asked him to play on the right — primarily, that move seemed to be designed for the midfielder to press and help defensively.

Southgate did the same for last weekend’s Belgium contest. Mount offered more protection for Trent Alexander-Arnold at full-back but using up all that energy chasing opponents and the cautious nature of England’s tactics meant he did little with the ball when it did come to his feet, especially in the first half. If Grealish had been switched from the left to the right for this match, would he have had the discipline to curb his own game for the good of the side? One can imagine that is the question Southgate asked himself and thought otherwise.

Speaking to Talksport following the victory, the England coach said: “In a tactical game, where it’s just as important defensively what the forwards do, to have a player like him (Mount) who can do both sides… the way that Marcus Rashford did, the way Dominic Calvert-Lewin did. I read a lot of things about Mason and I think he’s a very underappreciated player — but not by us.”

Southgate’s appreciation of Mount isn’t a new thing. Chelsea’s academy graduate first came to his attention when he had the role of England Under-21 coach. They spoke a few times at St George’s Park, conversations that continued after Southgate had been promoted to the senior job. Mount’s performances to help England win the 2017 Under-19 European Championship, where he was named player of the tournament, didn’t go unnoticed.

Sources in the England camp suggest they also shared an exchange after Mount was loaned to Vitesse Arnhem by Chelsea in the 2017-18 season. Before England departed for the last World Cup in Russia, he spent a week training with the squad. Mount also joined Phil Foden and Ryan Sessegnon on a trip to Russia during the tournament with team sponsors Nike, where he got to see how the team and Southgate prepare for a game.

Despite playing in the Championship for Derby County on loan at the time, Mount’s first call-up to the senior ranks was for the UEFA Nations League fixtures games with Spain and Croatia in October 2018, so it is clear Southgate had Mount earmarked as a potential member of his side for some time. It is not a sudden decision or should be taken as an insult to anyone else.

Naturally, there is a lot of room for improvement at club and international level but the midfielder is only in his second season playing in England’s top division, so that is understandable. His potential is vast.

Lampard had a legion of critics at West Ham at the start of his career. With his uncle as manager (Harry Redknapp) and his dad working as assistant, he was often accused of only playing because of nepotism. There is no better man to help Mount as he experiences a similar thing with Chelsea and England.

Earlier this month, Lampard said: “There’s a fascination with Mason. He’s homegrown and he’s a young player who’s got regularly into the team.

“He is a humble lad, who has had a real dream to play for Chelsea. The thing that makes him special is he’s gone and attacked that dream with the talent he has and made it through pure hard work.

“He’s been picked regularly in the England squad because I know Gareth Southgate and (assistant) Steve Holland have absolute respect for how he comes and trains and performs for them. What Mason’s done is exceptional and there is a lot more to come. That’s part of the great thing about working with someone who has that attitude, mindset and quality.”

What’s wrong with that?

[Tomo 21,681]

So our five games against United since Mount became a full member of our squad he's only started in two.

But he's an untouchable apparently. 

[killer1257 3,282]

I liked his energy when he came on. Is a very good sub to have

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