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It is 2020 and people still think Barkley will become good...

Scored a hattrick tonight and made an assist for Vitesse in their Europa League playoff match against Ado Den Haag. What a season this lad is having. I think that is double figures for both goals and

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38 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Yes, but Mount has shown that he almost never plays creative passes. Guys like Xavi and Iniesta have not the KDB level of assist stats, but you saw that Xavi and Iniesta play every game world class passes. You never see that with Mount or Jorgi.
Billy has more creativity than Mount, so has Lewis Bate. Will they ever be given the same treatment than Mount. Pretty sure not. Mount plays every game regardless of his form. Tammy has one had game, he gets slaughtered and Lampard benches him. Mount has had many bad games and Lampard never benches him. CHO plays good and Mount still is ahead of him. This is so unfair.

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Mount is not a creative player ... he is more about work rate and b2b (at times) who is good going forward decent while defending. Saying that he would do a Fabregas then that would be too much of an ask. I feel Mount only get to keep his place because he offers a superb work rate along with the uncanny pace which helps to switch from defense to attack and the off the ball press which is so important for Frank's plan. If we have anyone better then him I believe Mount would get replaced, 

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2 hours ago, killer1257 said:

Even Oscar showed more than Mount and Oscar was clearly not good enough for Chelsea. Just pressing is not good enough. He is maybe the most uncreative no. 10 in the PL with 2 real assists, even though he played the most games under Frank

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You do realise that Mount should really be a No.8/No.5 that has had to play out of position a lot of the time right? Further, at the start of the season he was 20 and only had experience of playing in Holland and the Champo. What exactly were you expecting? 

A good example for me with Mount is SFL who in his first season here got played out of position in RM/LM in a 442. 

Here are the stats for the two: 

SFL first season at Chelsea (aged 23) 

53 games, 7 goals, 2 assists 

Mount first season at Chelsea (aged 20/21) 

53 games, 8 goals, 6 assists

What I find most confusing is that you hammer Mount, then you give RLC a wide berth despite him always injured, having zero work rate off the ball and has only had one decent three month spell for us (last three months of last season) and is 3 years older. 

 

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Mount is not a creative player ... he is more about work rate and b2b (at times) who is good going forward decent while defending. Saying that he would do a Fabregas then that would be too much of an ask. I feel Mount only get to keep his place because he offers a superb work rate along with the uncanny pace which helps to switch from defense to attack and the off the ball press which is so important for Frank's plan. If we have anyone better then him I believe Mount would get replaced, 
So basically he is a Oscar like I said

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8 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

So basically he is a Oscar like I said

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Oscar is Oscar and Mount is Mount ... Honestly not a big fan of comparisons because every player has something unique to offer despite having same attributes when compared... And if you have to compare why not compare with every player who has played in that position with similar attributes ... As a number 8 he can be compared with a 20 year old Lampard. 

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1 hour ago, killer1257 said:

Yes, but Mount has shown that he almost never plays creative passes. Guys like Xavi and Iniesta have not the KDB level of assist stats, but you saw that Xavi and Iniesta play every game world class passes. You never see that with Mount or Jorgi.
Billy has more creativity than Mount, so has Lewis Bate. Will they ever be given the same treatment than Mount. Pretty sure not. Mount plays every game regardless of his form. Tammy has one had game, he gets slaughtered and Lampard benches him. Mount has had many bad games and Lampard never benches him. CHO plays good and Mount still is ahead of him. This is so unfair.

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Mount is not creative, he probably won't ever be. Is that a problem? Nope, I thought we signed a creator from Ajax to do that for us and Pulisic can create, I think two creator in final 3rd is good enough. 

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You do realise that Mount should really be a No.8/No.5 that has had to play out of position a lot of the time right? Further, at the start of the season he was 20 and only had experience of playing in Holland and the Champo. What exactly were you expecting? 
A good example for me with Mount is SFL who in his first season here got played out of position in RM/LM in a 442. 
Here are the stats for the two: 
SFL first season at Chelsea (aged 23) 
53 games, 7 goals, 2 assists 
Mount first season at Chelsea (aged 20/21) 
53 games, 8 goals, 6 assists
What I find most confusing is that you hammer Mount, then you give RLC a wide berth despite him always injured, having zero work rate off the ball and has only had one decent three month spell for us (last three months of last season) and is 3 years older. 
 


Mounts defensive contribution is so damn amazing.
One tackle won per game, 0.4 interceptions, 0.5 clearances per game.

Last season Ruben had 0.8 tackles per game, 0.5 interceptions per game and 0.2 clearances per game. What a huge difference wow.

Kevin de Bruyne wins 1.3 tackles per game, 0.5 interceptions and 0.7 clearances per game. Mason Mount is almost KDB level...

Mount is not even that good defensive wise what people want me to believe.

Mason Mount had 7 goals and 6 assists (4 of them were from set pieces) and he played 2900 minutes. Ruben scored 6 goals and had 2 assists in 1000 minutes in PL last season. I will not compare KDB with Mount from an offensive point of view lol. From winning aerial duels, Ruben wins almost 50% of his aerial duels, while Mount wins less than 20% of his duels. So Mount is no mastermind going forward and he is not a mastermind from a defensive point of view. You people make him out to be some sort of Arturo Vidal or Naingollan

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Mounts defensive contribution is so damn amazing.
One tackle won per game, 0.4 interceptions, 0.5 clearances per game.

Last season Ruben had 0.8 tackles per game, 0.5 interceptions per game and 0.2 clearances per game. What a huge difference wow.

Kevin de Bruyne wins 1.3 tackles per game, 0.5 interceptions and 0.7 clearances per game. Mason Mount is almost KDB level...

Mount is not even that good defensive wise what people want me to believe.

Mason Mount had 7 goals and 6 assists (4 of them were from set pieces) and he played 2900 minutes. Ruben scored 6 goals and had 2 assists in 1000 minutes in PL last season. I will not compare KDB with Mount from an offensive point of view lol. From winning aerial duels, Ruben wins almost 50% of his aerial duels, while Mount wins less than 20% of his duels. So Mount is no mastermind going forward and he is not a mastermind from a defensive point of view. You people make him out to be some sort of Arturo Vidal or Naingollan

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Is there a way to compare vidal and radja's stats at 20-21 to mount's. That would be a fair comparision I feel 

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Is there a way to compare vidal and radja's stats at 20-21 to mount's. That would be a fair comparision I feel 

 

I was talking about prime Vidal, but you can compare 33 year old Vidal with Mount too.

Vidal scored 8 and assisted 2 goals. Mount scored 7 and assisted two without set pieces. Vidal wins 1.9 tackles, 0.5 interceptions and 0.4 clearances per game.

So he is not even better than 33 year old Vidal past his prime neither defensive wise nor offensive wise

 

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30 minutes ago, killer1257 said:


 

 


Mounts defensive contribution is so damn amazing.
One tackle won per game, 0.4 interceptions, 0.5 clearances per game.

Last season Ruben had 0.8 tackles per game, 0.5 interceptions per game and 0.2 clearances per game. What a huge difference wow.

Kevin de Bruyne wins 1.3 tackles per game, 0.5 interceptions and 0.7 clearances per game. Mason Mount is almost KDB level...

Mount is not even that good defensive wise what people want me to believe.

Mason Mount had 7 goals and 6 assists (4 of them were from set pieces) and he played 2900 minutes. Ruben scored 6 goals and had 2 assists in 1000 minutes in PL last season. I will not compare KDB with Mount from an offensive point of view lol. From winning aerial duels, Ruben wins almost 50% of his aerial duels, while Mount wins less than 20% of his duels. So Mount is no mastermind going forward and he is not a mastermind from a defensive point of view. You people make him out to be some sort of Arturo Vidal or Naingollan

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Two things. 

Mount has been playing in an AM role a lot this season, so he does not need to tackle as much. Sure, you can argue that he isn't creative enough to play that position but it isn't actually his position and he has been doing a job there. 

Two, Mount is much younger and in his first season in the PL. You cannot compare his stats currently to RLC/KdB until he is 23 for RLC and 27 for KdB. Further, I am a big Mount fan but do not think he is going to be as good as KdB who is the best midfielder in the PL. 

I just find it amazing that a kid, who is in his first year, only 20 years old for most the season, been asked to play a variety of positions that aren't his and has worked his socks off, is being beaten up is being criticised like this. If he had been brought for £40m or something then maybe it would be slightly justified but I do not see how Mount can be getting heat. This also goes double as he is currently playing in a much poorer side than the two you're comparing him too with a rookie coach. 

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19 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

 

 

 

 

 

I was talking about prime Vidal, but you can compare 33 year old Vidal with Mount too.

Vidal scored 8 and assisted 2 goals. Mount scored 7 and assisted two without set pieces. Vidal wins 1.9 tackles, 0.5 interceptions and 0.4 clearances per game.

So he is not even better than 33 year old Vidal past his prime neither defensive wise nor offensive wise

 

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I don't think we should discount set pieces.

I mean we have been crying about having a decent free kick and corner taker. It's not like scoring 15 penalities to mega boost your stats. It's a genuinely dangerous skill. Look at TAA. Twice his set pieces have killed us.

Also, vidal plays for barca surrounded by messi, Suarez taking away the players. Even then 10 goals/assists vs 13 goals/assists. Come on bro, that's nothing to be scoffed at. 

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While we are on the topic of set pieces. Why the hell did mount not take the FK yesterday from the edge of the box. Did not he just score a FK from exactly that position against wolves. 

What's worse is why the hell did Ross take it. I mean barkley.? Seriously? Mount should have put his foot down and said, "get lost. I am taking this"

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1 hour ago, killer1257 said:

I was talking about prime Vidal, but you can compare 33 year old Vidal with Mount too.

Vidal scored 8 and assisted 2 goals. Mount scored 7 and assisted two without set pieces. Vidal wins 1.9 tackles, 0.5 interceptions and 0.4 clearances per game.

So he is not even better than 33 year old Vidal past his prime neither defensive wise nor offensive wise

 

We get it, you don't like Mount. I think i had a similar discussion with you about this a few weeks back.

I can't understand people not rating Mount and what he has achieved this season, which has been impressive given his age and relative lack of experience at the highest level.

 

 

 

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While we are on the topic of set pieces. Why the hell did mount not take the FK yesterday from the edge of the box. Did not he just score a FK from exactly that position against wolves. 
What's worse is why the hell did Ross take it. I mean barkley.? Seriously? Mount should have put his foot down and said, "get lost. I am taking this"


Yes, I was furious too. That was a perfect position for a Mount free kick. But Barkley seems to be a big name in the dressing room. He also took a penalty away from Willian against Valencia too.

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1 minute ago, Simon1991 said:

We get it, you don't like Mount. I think i had a similar discussion with you about this a few weeks back.

I can't understand people not rating Mount and what he has achieved this season, which has been impressive given his age and relative lack of experience at the highest level.

 

 

 

He has better stats whilst being 2 years younger than Lampard on their debut Chelsea seasons. Bit bewildering how many don't take that into consideration and the likelihood he will grow and develop into a top player. 

 

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On 02/08/2020 at 6:10 PM, SUNZ said:

This is the stuff I just find so frustrating about Mount.

Giroud has made the perfect run, play him in.

Attempting a weak shot that was never going to beat the goalkeeper stinks of selfishness and stupidity.

I would describe it as a rush of blood to the head rather than selfishness. It certainly wasn't stupidity. My feeling at the time was frustration, I can't abide low percentage pot shots taken at the cost of a higher percentage pass. Frank himself used to wind me up something chronic with a lot of his speculative shooting.

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3 hours ago, Puliiszola said:

While we are on the topic of set pieces. Why the hell did mount not take the FK yesterday from the edge of the box. Did not he just score a FK from exactly that position against wolves. 

What's worse is why the hell did Ross take it. I mean barkley.? Seriously? Mount should have put his foot down and said, "get lost. I am taking this"

Because Dross is a moron. It was exactly like Valencia were he insisted on taking the penalty even though Jorgi is a suprior PK taker. That was just one of the many things he did last night that just further hammered home how he doesn't fit here. 

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Whoopsie. Not the best time to be quarantined. Chelsea going bonkers in the transfer market and you are off on your hols to a hotspot. Now you have to sit out of training, pre-season training as well. Better hope that some of the new boys don't take the pre-season by storm and lose your spot because you went Greece. 

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