🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Mason Mount

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

4 hours ago, Strike said:

English Willian at 23 + he is the PL top scorer so far and deserves to start ahead of the other options in the squad. 

Well, yes, this is a different question to whether Mas is the long term answer for us. I think he is an enigma in our current squad. When he plays we see that we need more from the player in that role but, when he doesn't play we see that even so he can offer more than some of the alternatives. My view is that we try to find the player who can provide a long term answer.

[robsblubot 3,595]

10 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Getting on for ten-and-a-half years ago, when I told people Romelu would be stuck with his limitations for the rest of his career they replied with comments like this. Many absolutely would not accept my analysis that players not only do not improve their basic level, they cannot improve it. Even last summer people were telling me Rom had done extra homework with Conte and he was all new and shiny. I had not watched Rom play even one minute for Inter but I knew those people were not right, that they could not be right. Perhaps you will disagree with me now but Mas will not make the improvements you hope for. 

 

I agree with you. This is the correct approach but it must be accompanied by correct judgement. In order to get the judgements right we have to understand that players cannot improve their talent level. They can only learn to make better use of the talent they have.

When I watched KDB while back at Genk on loan after signing for us, I posted (on CFCNet) to say that I loved, loved, loved the way he played football. When he eventually joined our squad, barring a simple but beautiful assist on his debut, he struggled to find his level but it was there to be found. Time should have been given. Mas on the other hand is already playing at his level. The 'more' we might hope for from him is not there. A squad player is all Mas can be for us but, given the start he has made to his career, I don't believe that will be something he can accept.

Kai however is not yet playing to his maximum potential so it is at least possible that his output can increase.

Heh I did not see enough of KDB at Chelsea (as in minutes played) to detect that, but you can find my comments on Salah here (perhaps they are gone after the big purge): I thought his ceiling was very high back then.

That's a fair take, and I'm not entirely sure we disagree on Mount's potential; I don't see him improving a whole lot in certain aspects of the game where he lacks (creativity).
I think our disagreement is more regarding what he already provides, which I think is more than enough, given as evidence our recent success against more expensive teams/stronger opposition.

What I do expect Mount to improve on, and I think it's something many players naturally improve on with age, is decision making, which should also improve his finishing.

So, in my view, he's not that far from being an excellent player and an important player for any top club, as well as England. I'd hate to see him in a Liverpool shirt for example, which is not something I could say about all players we've got.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

1 hour ago, robsblubot said:

Heh I did not see enough of KDB at Chelsea (as in minutes played) to detect that, but you can find my comments on Salah here (perhaps they are gone after the big purge): I thought his ceiling was very high back then.

That's a fair take, and I'm not entirely sure we disagree on Mount's potential; I don't see him improving a whole lot in certain aspects of the game where he lacks (creativity).
I think our disagreement is more regarding what he already provides, which I think is more than enough, given as evidence our recent success against more expensive teams/stronger opposition.

What I do expect Mount to improve on, and I think it's something many players naturally improve on with age, is decision making, which should also improve his finishing.

So, in my view, he's not that far from being an excellent player and an important player for any top club, as well as England. I'd hate to see him in a Liverpool shirt for example, which is not something I could say about all players we've got.

Have to admit I'm far more often frustrated by Mas than I am happy with his contributions  but, as I implied earlier, I also often feel we're a better side when he plays than when he doesn't. I see this as being despite not being accurate enough in what he does, often enough he does other things to compensate and to balance the team. Things we miss when he does not play. What I want is a player offering balance and greater accuracy and such a player would relegate Mason to the bench. My takeaway is that Mas should get starts but only because our forward players as a group are not good enough.

No problem at all on the different emphasis we put on Mason's attributes. Everybody gets it wrong sometimes, or at least I do anyway. For example, I did not spot Salah's quality when he was here.

[Tomo 21,751]

53 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Have to admit I'm far more often frustrated by Mas than I am happy with his contributions  but, as I implied earlier, I also often feel we're a better side when he plays than when he doesn't. I see this as being despite not being accurate enough in what he does, often enough he does other things to compensate and to balance the team. Things we miss when he does not play. What I want is a player offering balance and greater accuracy and such a player would relegate Mason to the bench. My takeaway is that Mas should get starts but only because our forward players as a group are not good enough.

For me it's he will never be the star man himself but has the attributes to co exist with star attackers and compliment their skillset.

A bit like what Pedro did at Barcelona and with us in Conte's title season, unfortunately we don't have anyone on the level of Messi, Hazard or Villa.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

7 hours ago, Tomo said:

For me it's he will never be the star man himself but has the attributes to co exist with star attackers and compliment their skillset.

A bit like what Pedro did at Barcelona and with us in Conte's title season, unfortunately we don't have anyone on the level of Messi, Hazard or Villa.

Yes, I agree with this. If our other attackers were more efficient Mason could more easily find a role in the side. The solution I advocate for however is that we find a player who can make those key moments work for his side more often than Mas does. 

Also, thanks for digging some sense out of what I wrote. I've re-read it and it is so badly written it amounts to gibberish. Don't know how that happened. Must try harder. 😖

Edited March 1, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie

[robsblubot 3,595]

19 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Yes, I agree with this. If our other attackers were more efficient Mason could more easily find a role in the side. The solution I advocate for however is that we find a player who can make those key moments work for his side more often than Mas does. 

Also, thanks for digging some sense out of what I wrote. I've re-read it and it is so badly written it amounts to gibberish. Don't know how that happened. Must try harder. 😖

I believe we both agree that that player exists. Our disagreement seems to be about whether Mount can become that player or not. You seem certain he ain't it, while I think that the risk of getting that wrong (with his replacement) and the difficulty of acquiring such player makes betting on Mount a very easy choice.

Edited March 2, 2022 by robsblubot

[Clockwork 1,794]

He is not a forward imo that his biggest problem, but the manager thinks he is. 

[Strike 7,492]

14 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

He is not a forward imo that his biggest problem, but the manager thinks he is. 

because he is not a DM. We don't have the ideal position for him in the 3-4-3

[maxlev 54]

Mason will become a world class player if he works on a just a few things and that is good decision making as well as composure in front of goal. Most of the complaints here are raised due to those two issues(final ball or decision making and composure to finish off chances) which I feel he has the ability to work on in a short while. Some guys performed far less than mount is doing but they are now stars in other top clubs. I believe he will reach there in due time.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

5 hours ago, Clockwork said:

He is not a forward imo that his biggest problem, but the manager thinks he is. 

That, in my opinion, is because he isn't anything else either. At least not quite at the required level.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

3 hours ago, maxlev said:

Mason will become a world class player if he works on a just a few things and that is good decision making as well as composure in front of goal. Most of the complaints here are raised due to those two issues(final ball or decision making and composure to finish off chances) which I feel he has the ability to work on in a short while. Some guys performed far less than mount is doing but they are now stars in other top clubs. I believe he will reach there in due time.

I'm not a hypocrite and I won't ever pretend I saw a world class performer in Mas but, if that's how he develops, I will be as pleased as the rest of us for him and for Chelsea.

Edited March 2, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie

[maxlev 54]

7 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

I'm not a hypocrite and I won't ever pretend I saw a world class performer in Mas but, if that's how he develops, I will be as pleased as the rest of us for him and for Chelsea.

I very much understand your point. Some players have a very thin line from being a little above average to becoming world class and for me mount is in that discussion. All Mount needs to do is work on his end product in a consistent manner. Right now I think his only major weakness is poor decision making which makes him slightly poor in finishing(most times he tends to rush his shots which lacks composure and precision). 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

Sry wrong Thread 

Edited March 2, 2022 by Magic Lamps

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

See above 

Edited March 2, 2022 by Magic Lamps

[NikkiCFC 8,332]

If you are Chelsea fan and like MM you really don't deserve anything as a football fan. 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

Mason is the best we have for the role that he plays. Unfortunately this is a problem, not a solution.

[Azpinator 2,325]

On 07/04/2022 at 01:29, NikkiCFC said:

If you are Chelsea fan and like MM you really don't deserve anything as a football fan. 

It's really impressive that you could type and submit that post using just your ass cheeks.

[Stats 7,147]

On 06/04/2022 at 23:29, NikkiCFC said:

If you are Chelsea fan and like MM you really don't deserve anything as a football fan. 

 

On 07/04/2022 at 01:01, Hermione said:

You just know Mason will be 26-27 years old and still be here despite being an average footballer. Wish we could build something serious for once.

Just turned 23 not too long ago. This season he already has 10 goals and 13 assists in all comps. Have a seat.

[Stats 7,147]

9 minutes ago, Hermione said:

If I'm not mistaken you were one of the few people here who was pulling for Lukaku and pointing to his stats before we signed him. Played good today must be said but most did even Werner so this doesn't prove anything that we didn't know before wildly inconsistent and disappears when shit hits the fan, will see what he does in the next games.

I admit I was happy with Lukaku, but I pointed out to why is game had improved to Italy. Comments like yours and Nikki's are just silly posts with all respect. You have Nikki saying a ridiculous post about Chelsea fans who like Mount and you making a futuristic prediction which is crazy as if Mount has been poor. He has his poor games like all young players do but the judgements you lot give for him, you would think he is at the peak of his career. He is just turned 23. Of course he is going to have flaws. But that is the while point of working with them and letting them grow. Slating our own players with OTT criticism just irks me.

[Vesper 30,207]

1 hour ago, Stats said:

I admit I was happy with Lukaku, but I pointed out to why is game had improved to Italy. Comments like yours and Nikki's are just silly posts with all respect. You have Nikki saying a ridiculous post about Chelsea fans who like Mount and you making a futuristic prediction which is crazy as if Mount has been poor. He has his poor games like all young players do but the judgements you lot give for him, you would think he is at the peak of his career. He is just turned 23. Of course he is going to have flaws. But that is the while point of working with them and letting them grow. Slating our own players with OTT criticism just irks me.

Mount is a special player

we are lucky to have him