Danny Drinkwater

[Superblue 6,372]

4 hours ago, Tomo said:

Looking back on this thread while he did play people seemed quite happy with him for the first six months, so saying he's been shit was stretching the truth a bit, waste of a signing absolutely but he did allright with his minutes for a while.

He doesn't fit the system now and should either be 4th choice for cup games or shipped out but on paper he was a decent fit in Conte's 343, I was quite happy with the signing at the time for that reason (not so much the price and wage but I tried to ignore that) as I personally felt he was better than post 2014 Matic.

Completely agree he's been a disaster but only in hindsight.

At the time i can completely see why the club moved for him. They viewed Bakayoko as the long term option and wanted to give him time to bed in (hence why I think initially they wanted to retain Matic). When Matic wanted to leave they looked at a player that was seen as a solid all rounder, dependable and with Premier League (and Premier League winning) experience. He also had experience playing alongside Kante and the cherry on the top was homegrown status. It seemed at the time a sensible, if unspectacular buy, but obviously now it's been a nightmare.

I have to say though I'm far more disappointed in Bakayoko, who I was hoping for big things from for years to come.

[LAM09 7,043]

Iv'e never seen any evidence that Marina handles anything other than the financial aspect of player recruitment. Until I do, I just can't buy the idea that she selects the targets. That notion makes zero sense to me.

Emenalo left & we never brought in a direct replacement, so I've put two & two together. If she isn't to blame/praise for our business in the market, who is?

 

I think Roman is completely hands off in that regard unless he truly wants someone (Torres springs to mind).

 

 

 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,060]

7 hours ago, LAM09 said:

Emenalo left & we never brought in a direct replacement, so I've put two & two together. If she isn't to blame/praise for our business in the market, who is?

 

I think Roman is completely hands off in that regard unless he truly wants someone (Torres springs to mind).

 

 

 

Just checking, what does two and two make?

[OhForAGreavsie 6,060]

11 hours ago, LAM09 said:

 

^^Kidding couldn't resist.

It seems to me we are asked to believe some very silly things at times. Like Callum would leave the club over a shirt number or that Marina makes the football decisions about which players to sign.

For what possible reason would Roman reject the footballing advice of his managers, coaches and technical staff preferring to allow a person with zero experience or knowledge to make those decisions instead? The very idea is utterly, utterly stupid.

Now, listening to the advice of all those people and then making the decision yourself, that's something I can understand. I understand it because if I had Roman's money I would absolutely 100-percent have tried to buy Chelsea. If I had succeeded I would absolutely 100-percent have made all of the transfer decisions myself. I would have taken lots of advice, watched lots of games anf given people plenty of opportunity to persuade me one way or the other. In the end however, the buck would have stopped with me.

People reading that can immediately see the potential for disaster. Putting those decisions in the hand of an amateur is an obvious risk. Once you've made up your mind to take that risk however, why on Earth give it away to someone with even less knowledge of the game than yourself? By all means give away the boring responsibilities. Pay someone else to manage the budget and the compliance with FFP regulations. Have someone tell you what can be afforded and have them negotiate the deals for sure but give away the fun part? No chance.

Someone advised the signing of Danny, but it will take incontravertable evidence to convince me that Marina was that person.

 

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48 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

^^Kidding couldn't resist.

It seems to me we are asked to believe some very silly things at times. Like Callum would leave the club over a shirt number or that Marina makes the football decisions about which players to sign.

For what possible reason would Roman reject the footballing advice of his managers, coaches and technical staff preferring to allow a person with zero experience or knowledge to make those decisions instead? The very idea is utterly, utterly stupid.

Now, listening to the advice of all those people and then making the decision yourself, that's something I can understand. I understand it because if I had Roman's money I would absolutely 100-percent have tried to buy Chelsea. If I had succeeded I would absolutely 100-percent have made all of the transfer decisions myself. I would have taken lots of advice, watched lots of games anf given people plenty of opportunity to persuade me one way or the other. In the end however, the buck would have stopped with me.

People reading that can immediately see the potential for disaster. Putting those decisions in the hand of an ammeter is an obvious risk. Once you've made up your mind to take that risk however, why on Earth give it away to someone with even less knowledge of the game than yourself? By all means give away the boring responsibilities. Pay someone else to manage the budget and the compliance with FFP regulations. Have someone tell you what can be afforded and have them negotiate the deals for sure but give away the fun part? No chance.

Someone advised the signing of Danny, but it will take incontravertable evidence to convince me that Marina was that person.

 

I think it was Emenalo (so many forget he was still the TD when we bought DD) and Roman's son, and they assumed that Donkeywater would replicate success of linking back up with Kante. 

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8 hours ago, LAM09 said:

Emenalo left & we never brought in a direct replacement, so I've put two & two together. If she isn't to blame/praise for our business in the market, who is?

 

I think Roman is completely hands off in that regard unless he truly wants someone (Torres springs to mind).

 

 

 

Emenalo was still here as TD when we bought Donkeywater (he left in November 2017, we bought DD at the end of the summer 2017 window)

[LAM09 7,043]

^^Kidding couldn't resist.

It seems to me we are asked to believe some very silly things at times. Like Callum would leave the club over a shirt number or that Marina makes the football decisions about which players to sign.

For what possible reason would Roman reject the footballing advice of his managers, coaches and technical staff preferring to allow a person with zero experience or knowledge to make those decisions instead? The very idea is utterly, utterly stupid.

Now, listening to the advice of all those people and then making the decision yourself, that's something I can understand. I understand it because if I had Roman's money I would absolutely 100-percent have tried to buy Chelsea. If I had succeeded I would absolutely 100-percent have made all of the transfer decisions myself. I would have taken lots of advice, watched lots of games anf given people plenty of opportunity to persuade me one way or the other. In the end however, the buck would have stopped with me.

People reading that can immediately see the potential for disaster. Putting those decisions in the hand of an amateur is an obvious risk. Once you've made up your mind to take that risk however, why on Earth give it away to someone with even less knowledge of the game than yourself? By all means give away the boring responsibilities. Pay someone else to manage the budget and the compliance with FFP regulations. Have someone tell you what can be afforded and have them negotiate the deals for sure but give away the fun part? No chance.

Someone advised the signing of Danny, but it will take incontravertable evidence to convince me that Marina was that person.

 

As I previously stated, who made the decision to sign players or deal with transfers (something we've seemingly had issue with for a few windows)?

 

 

Downplaying someone's involvement is all good and well, but you don't have a straight answer that debunks my theory.

 

[LAM09 7,043]

Emenalo was still here as TD when we bought Donkeywater (he left in November 2017, we bought DD at the end of the summer 2017 window)

I thought we signed DD during the Winter window for some reason.

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[NikkiCFC 8,294]

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

Emenalo was still here as TD when we bought Donkeywater (he left in November 2017, we bought DD at the end of the summer 2017 window)

Turns out our transfers are pretty good since he left. I would even say great! 

January 2018: Giroud, Barkley and Emerson. They all cost around 50m which is so cheap! Now Barkley himself is worth more than that. Emerson became our starter and Giroud was very useful. 

Summer 2018: Kepa - one of the best goalkeepers in the world and Jorginho who was must buy last season and I think he'll be useful in Frank's team as well. 

January 2019 : Pulisic - I have so much hope in him to become our leader in coming years. 

And this summer we bought Kovacic another good player to have. 

We also gave chances to loanees like RLC and now Zouma, Mount, James, Abraham are coming in plus CHO is already here... With transfer ban we couldn't do much better this summer. 

We won two trophies since he left and I really like Lampard appointment. 

So to sum up I think we are run much better since he left. 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

Emenalo was still here as TD when we bought Donkeywater (he left in November 2017, we bought DD at the end of the summer 2017 window)

I thought we signed DD during the Winter window for some reason.

Danny Drinkwater: Chelsea sign midfielder from Leicester

1 Sept 2017

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41119060

 

Chelsea have signed midfielder Danny Drinkwater from Leicester City for £35m.

The 27-year-old was a key part of the Foxes side that won the Premier League in 2015-16, but asked to leave the club amid interest from the Blues.

Chelsea have also signed defender Davide Zappacosta from Torino on a four-year deal for an undisclosed fee.

However, striker Fernando Llorente opted for Tottenham instead of a move to Stamford Bridge.

And Everton midfielder Ross Barkley changed his mind about joining Antonio Conte's side.

[Tomo 21,751]

32 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Turns out our transfers are pretty good since he left. I would even say great! 

January 2018: Giroud, Barkley and Emerson. They all cost around 50m which is so cheap! Now Barkley himself is worth more than that. Emerson became our starter and Giroud was very useful. 

Summer 2018: Kepa - one of the best goalkeepers in the world and Jorginho who was must buy last season and I think he'll be useful in Frank's team as well. 

January 2019 : Pulisic - I have so much hope in him to become our leader in coming years. 

And this summer we bought Kovacic another good player to have. 

We also gave chances to loanees like RLC and now Zouma, Mount, James, Abraham are coming in plus CHO is already here... With transfer ban we couldn't do much better this summer. 

We won two trophies since he left and I really like Lampard appointment. 

So to sum up I think we are run much better since he left. 

 

 

I think in hindsight that window was a lot worse than 2015 and 2007.

2015 we didn't have a shit season because we missed out on Stones and Pogba, it's because the squad was physically and mentally exhausted, not even Messi would have pulled us out of that mess. We still managed to sign a top backup keeper and a winger who was part of the greatest team of all time. I think the "terror" of that window was overexaggarated a bit by the Stones/Papy debarcle.

2007 was a poor window but ultimately it was a bunch of freebies we then made money on.

2017 however I think had a direct correlation to how the season went plus we spent almost £200m on players bar Rudi that flopped, any more like that could have set us back years.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,060]

2 hours ago, LAM09 said:

As I previously stated, who made the decision to sign players or deal with transfers (something we've seemingly had issue with for a few windows)?

 

 

Downplaying someone's involvement is all good and well, but you don't have a straight answer that debunks my theory.

 

Forgive me for not answering your question directly, although I have answered it indirectly, many times. I've done do in other posts in other threads, in which I've written about my theory regarding transfer decision-making. Just before I give my answer once again let me restate a few things I have also said before:-

That Marina handles the financial aspects of our transfer business it is not disputed. What we are disagreeing about is whether she makes the football decision. That is to say, whether she decides if player A,bB, or C is good enough and should be signed.

Just because I can't disprove the claim you are making, is no evidence for the truth of that claim. It is for the person making a claim to prove it. Until I see clear evidence that Marina is making football decisions I will not believe it because the very idea is nonsensical in my opinion. For me to believe that, I would have to believe that Roman is a complete idiot and he clearly isn't.

My impression, and of course I can't prove this, is that the final decision makers on transfer business are Roman and Arkaidy Abramovich.

[LAM09 7,043]

4 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Forgive me for not answering your question directly, although I have answered it indirectly, many times. I've done do in other posts in other threads, in which I've written about my theory regarding transfer decision-making. Just before I give my answer once again let me restate a few things I have also said before:-

That Marina handles the financial aspects of our transfer business it is not disputed. What we are disagreeing about is whether she makes the football decision. That is to say, whether she decides if player A,bB, or C is good enough and should be signed.

Just because I can't disprove the claim you are making, is no evidence for the truth of that claim. It is for the person making a claim to prove it. Until I see clear evidence that Marina is making football decisions I will not believe it because the very idea is nonsensical in my opinion. For me to believe that, I would have to believe that Roman is a complete idiot and he clearly isn't.

My impression, and of course I can't prove this, is that the final decision makers on transfer business are Roman and Arkaidy Abramovich.

I agree that there's no proof and rather a hunch on my part, regardless of how outlandish it might seem. Neither of us will probably ever get a definite answer on the matter.

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The Premier League team who are finally ready to sign Danny Drinkwater according to tabloid report

https://www.chelsea-news.co/2019/08/premier-league-team-finally-ready-sign-danny-drinkwater-according-tabloid-report/

The Daily Mail are today reporting that Chelsea may finally have a destination for Danny Drinkwater.

The Sunday edition of the tabloid claims that Brighton are a side interest in finally taking the central midfielder off Chelsea’s books, after two years in which he’s barely stepped foot on the pitch. The South Coast club apparently want the former Leicester man on loan for the year.

Drinkwater didn’t travel to Germany with the rest of the squad for yesterday’s friendly with Borussia Monchengladbach, staying back in England with Tiemoue Bakayoko amid rumours that both were getting closer to finally exiting Stamford Bridge for good.

After being utterly frozen out under Maurizio Sarri – he didn’t appear after the Charity Shield game one year ago today – Drinkwater did feature in a couple of friendlies for Frank Lampard.

However with all of his senior players now reporting, Danny has been squeezed out again. He likely will be hoping more than anyone that this rumoured interest from the Seagulls is real.

 

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