Stats 7,148 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 18 minutes ago, Tomo said: Tbf, there's a lot worse squad players around, a lot worse. Whether he is an upgrade on Matic is highly questionable but my word he is a huge, huge upgrade on Chalobah. Right now, he prob is better than Drinkwater however in future, Chalobah will easily surpass him imo. I rate Chalobah highly and believe once he plays in the PL regularly he will get into that England team sooner than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 What people don't seem to understand is that neither Matic nor Chalobah were willing to stick around playing 4th choice and that's why they were sold. Nate was already on his contract's last year and Matic too had only two years left and wasn't going to renew it so let's say the club kept him somewhat against his will for another season, next summer he'd have been aged 30 with contract running out in a years time so literally no value anymore and there's really no guarantees what kind of performances we'd have gotten from an unmotivated Matic who had asked for a move in the summer but got told to stay put. I understand perfectly why both of those were sold and why the club are now looking elsewhere. Ideally I'd have kept Chalobah too and I think with CL football coming back this season there would've been enough games for him to be happy and develop but if the lad didn't want to sign the extension and wished to go, there's hardly much the club could do to prevent him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideshow Luiz 2,310 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Conte was able to keep Vidal + Marchisio + Pogba + Pirlo happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,148 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sideshow Luiz said: Conte was able to keep Vidal + Marchisio + Pogba + Pirlo happy. TBF, Juve played 3-5-2. So always had 3 CM playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 21 minutes ago, Stats said: Right now, he prob is better than Drinkwater however in future, Chalobah will easily surpass him imo. I rate Chalobah highly and believe once he plays in the PL regularly he will get into that England team sooner than later. Im not convinced, i haven't seen anything in Nate that scream's top flight player, he's had 3 top flight team's and barely got a look in anytime. in my opinion he found his level back at Watford the first time (upper Championship player, maybe lower prem at a push). Guess we will find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucashm 340 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tomo said: Im not convinced, i haven't seen anything in Nate that scream's top flight player, he's had 3 top flight team's and barely got a look in anytime. in my opinion he found his level back at Watford the first time (upper Championship player, maybe lower prem at a push). Guess we will find out. I agree with you. I find this Chalobah mania between other Chelsea fans very weird, if he wasn't part of our youth setup no one would rate him IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideshow Luiz 2,310 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, Stats said: TBF, Juve played 3-5-2. So always had 3 CM playing. I thought that Conte used this formation a few times last season (the regular Pedro for Fabs switch). We get linked with a lot of versatile players, it looked to me like Conte wanted some flexibility. There were a lot of matches where we didn't control the midfield very well and in the CL, that would be magnified. Even in his 352, the combination of players would often be suited to the match at hand. We'll see what happens. I have to assume that there was a plan before selling Nate and Matic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,972 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I actually laughed out loud when I read that we are linked with this guy. He was pretty decent when Leicester won thr league but he isn't going to improve our squad one bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, lucashm said: I agree with you. I find this Chalobah mania between other Chelsea fans very weird, if he wasn't part of our youth setup no one would rate him IMO Imagine if he was owned by Burnley, dropped due to poor display's then sold to Napoli still barely played yet we signed him? The reaction to the Papy deal would have been pretty meek in comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 49 minutes ago, DDA said: I actually laughed out loud when I read that we are linked with this guy. He was pretty decent when Leicester won thr league but he isn't going to improve our squad one bit. So you think having Kante, Bakayoko, Cesc is just as good as having Kante, Bakayoko, Cesc, Drinkwater? He may not improve the first choice Starting XI one bit but he'd definitely improve the squad. Right now the squad is thinner than it has ever been and reinforcements are sorely needed. Aside from maybe wing-backs there's no real weaknesses in the first choice starting lineup but getting more squad depth will make the difference between a success and a 'Mourinho season' so if Drinkwater's available for a decent price it'd be a decent signing. Just look at how hard United had to look to sign a player of Matic's quality to play a starting role for them so do people really expect us to replace him with an even better player who also doesn't mind being 4th choice CM? A reality check is in order for some lads here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 finally someone who can effectively replace Mikel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Tomo said: As stated above, he will be replacing Nate, Matic has already been replaced. That doesn't disregard the fact Chelsea need another CM in the mould of Fabregas or Tolisso. Drinkwater, Kante, Bakayoko.. that's 3 defensive CMs. What kind of squad building is this? You could sell me on this idea if the wingbacks were World Class, but they're not. We're clearly not getting Sandro and we're linked to fucking Antonio Candreva as RWB. Wow. IfTop wingbacks and a Top (RW or CM) are not attained. This will be a very difficult and poor season for the Blues. Fabregas, Hazard, Pedro, Willian cannot be our only attacking options behind the Striker. They simply can't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea? 892 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 This may be an Abumayung rumor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucashm 340 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 18 minutes ago, Chelsea? said: This may be an Abumayung rumor. Thats what im thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Also, what the hell is this mentality that Chelsea can't have people fight for their place? Has anybody seen the amounts of talent that weren't making the field at other top clubs? Players like James Rodriguez and Morata last season at Madrid. Next season at City Sterling/Yaya/Aguero will be fighting hard to get on the pitch, and over at Bayern Muller/Renato/Robben. Why is it that only at Chelsea the Starting XI players must not have adequate competition for their spots? It's the reason many Chelsea fans are worried about the behinning of the season without Hazard. Because our only other creative spark in the team is Fabregas. And that's it. Come on now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,067 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Also, what the hell is this mentality that Chelsea can't have people fight for their place? Has anybody seen the amounts of talent that weren't making the field at other top clubs? Players like James Rodriguez and Morata last season at Madrid. Next season at City Sterling/Yaya/Aguero will be fighting hard to get on the pitch, and over at Bayern Muller/Renato/Robben. Why is it that only at Chelsea the Starting XI players must not have adequate competition for their spots? It's the reason many Chelsea fans are worried about the behinning of the season without Hazard. Because our only other creative spark in the team is Fabregas. And that's it. Come on now. We can't seem to beat any club that goes for a player we want, so we're mainly after the next "best" thing at this point. In for Stones, Mendy, Danilo & Lukaku to name a few and walk away with nothing.Not saying we haven't dodged a bullet or three thanks to this, but the days of us going and getting targets are seemingly a distant memory. Highly doubt Kante would have come here, if it wasn't for the buyout clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipo 56 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Les than 10mil ok . More than that better top up for better player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Drinkwater is wasted off money cause I know what's going to happen he's going play for one season and end up getting loan out the rest of his chelsea career we should be signing a midfielder who's going to challenge Bakayoko Kante fabregas for their place in the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,972 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Jype said: So you think having Kante, Bakayoko, Cesc is just as good as having Kante, Bakayoko, Cesc, Drinkwater? He may not improve the first choice Starting XI one bit but he'd definitely improve the squad. Right now the squad is thinner than it has ever been and reinforcements are sorely needed. Aside from maybe wing-backs there's no real weaknesses in the first choice starting lineup but getting more squad depth will make the difference between a success and a 'Mourinho season' so if Drinkwater's available for a decent price it'd be a decent signing. Just look at how hard United had to look to sign a player of Matic's quality to play a starting role for them so do people really expect us to replace him with an even better player who also doesn't mind being 4th choice CM? A reality check is in order for some lads here. Yes, we need squad depth for sure. Our numbers are dangerously short. I can't help having higher expectations on who I deem good enough to warm the bench. That's not to knock Drinkwaters ability because I think he is decent but I want more than decent here at this club. If Kante, Cesc or Bakayoko get injured during the coming season... I'm not confident in bringing Drinkwater in to replace one of them, especially if we are facing top sides in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,083 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Tomo said: Im not convinced, i haven't seen anything in Nate that scream's top flight player, he's had 3 top flight team's and barely got a look in anytime. in my opinion he found his level back at Watford the first time (upper Championship player, maybe lower prem at a push). Guess we will find out. Sadly, but plainly, this is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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