Tiemoue Bakayoko

[Jase 43,479]

Starting to wonder if Bakayoko has done something to upset Leif.

[Beigl 1,387]

Got his act together in the last two games. I loved how he finally used his strength in duels yesterday. Baka has to kick on from yesterday, he could be a very important player in the future.

[Leif 6,006]

Nothing like facing the mighty West Brom, them with 7 defensive players, to highlight how good our own defensive players are

[Beigl 1,387]

Nothing like facing the mighty West Brom, them with 7 defensive players, to highlight how good our own defensive players are:drunk:

He was even better in the top game against United though.

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

5 hours ago, Leif said:

Nothing like facing the mighty West Brom, them with 7 defensive players, to highlight how good our own defensive players are

Going by your logic I’m assuming you didn’t make much of Cesc, Eden or Morata’s performances either? Seeing as it was only the mighty West Brom. You can only beat what’s infront of you.

Like Beigl mentioned above Baka was even better vs Man United than yesterday.

He hasn’t been great in some matches but he was certainly good in the last 2 games. Again people comparing him to RLC, it’s totally pointless because they aren’t exactly the same position, even then talking about his position hes playing in a wider position for Palace than he has for Chelsea or England. I think people are getting carried away over his performances in the friendly vs Germany. It was impressive but it was also a dead rubber match. I think he looked decent for Palace against Everton at times yesterday too but playing out wide.

[Leif 6,006]

Mo, that's flimsy logic, considering I point out Baka's performances pre-his Chelsea signing, and every game since. Everybody knows that the players you just listed are incredible for us - don't take me for a moron.

[Leif 6,006]

You can't watch a player be consistently average, and then lap on the praise because they were 'good' against West Brom. That's the logic.

Imagine watching Oscar put in the level of performances Bakayoko has, which we did, and then praising him for showing up vs. Hull City. That we did not do.

Similar with Cahill. We know what he is, so we're not going to take 1-off games of his as a measure of his ability.

I'm still seeing a player who releases the ball too late, holds onto the ball too long, and who walks more than runs. When you add barely any assists/goals to that, I'm left debating with people on here how on earth this is someone worthy of our XI (because he's strong apparently. such a rare type of player!)
A lot of players can 'create space' and 'charge forward' like he does - while doing a lot more on top of that too. So i'll continue to criticise this transfer, and the lack of critical thinking (IMO, maybe i'm dead wrong) surrounding this. I don't see this heavy investment paying off years down the line. I see time wasted, where we could have had an influential player with leadership, or a youngster of our own bled in. I see no logic in praising him for doing the minimum of what's expected (for some of you guys anyway) vs. a Tony Pulis side.
Where was he vs. Roma? Tied up in Fabregas's dungeon of shackles again? What about City? You measure a player that cost 40m in those games, not these games. He's not Chelsea starter material, and that's the fault of whoever recruited him, no fault of his own. 

[Jase 43,479]

Me reading this thread...

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

25 minutes ago, Leif said:

You can't watch a player be consistently average, and then lap on the praise because they were 'good' against West Brom. That's the logic.

Imagine watching Oscar put in the level of performances Bakayoko has, which we did, and then praising him for showing up vs. Hull City. That we did not do.

Similar with Cahill. We know what he is, so we're not going to take 1-off games of his as a measure of his ability.

I'm still seeing a player who releases the ball too late, holds onto the ball too long, and who walks more than runs. When you add barely any assists/goals to that, I'm left debating with people on here how on earth this is someone worthy of our XI (because he's strong apparently. such a rare type of player!)
A lot of players can 'create space' and 'charge forward' like he does - while doing a lot more on top of that too. So i'll continue to criticise this transfer, and the lack of critical thinking (IMO, maybe i'm dead wrong) surrounding this. I don't see this heavy investment paying off years down the line. I see time wasted, where we could have had an influential player with leadership, or a youngster of our own bled in. I see no logic in praising him for doing the minimum of what's expected (for some of you guys anyway) vs. a Tony Pulis side. 

I thought the logic was you praise players when they perform and criticise them when they don’t? If it matters what team they play against then we’d be may as well judging players based on 10 PL games a season, home and away performances vs City, United, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool... games where we normally sit compact and based on how people on here react to that and the performances nobody would rate anybody.

I’ll admit if we had the chance to keep Matic and not sign Baka I’d have taken it because Matic is tried and tested, a better player offers more at present etc etc but in an ideal world we’d still have lots of players. I think it’s incredibly stupid to write off a 23 or 24 year old player in his first season at the club. In a new system. He was pretty good against Man United and if RLC flopped against Germany this conversation wouldn’t be happening. Just typical the media stirring the pot as usual. Baka has more PL goals and assists than RLC. Not seen that in any papers

[Beigl 1,387]

2 hours ago, Leif said:

You can't watch a player be consistently average, and then lap on the praise because they were 'good' against West Brom. That's the logic.

Imagine watching Oscar put in the level of performances Bakayoko has, which we did, and then praising him for showing up vs. Hull City. That we did not do.

Similar with Cahill. We know what he is, so we're not going to take 1-off games of his as a measure of his ability.

I'm still seeing a player who releases the ball too late, holds onto the ball too long, and who walks more than runs. When you add barely any assists/goals to that, I'm left debating with people on here how on earth this is someone worthy of our XI (because he's strong apparently. such a rare type of player!)
A lot of players can 'create space' and 'charge forward' like he does - while doing a lot more on top of that too. So i'll continue to criticise this transfer, and the lack of critical thinking (IMO, maybe i'm dead wrong) surrounding this. I don't see this heavy investment paying off years down the line. I see time wasted, where we could have had an influential player with leadership, or a youngster of our own bled in. I see no logic in praising him for doing the minimum of what's expected (for some of you guys anyway) vs. a Tony Pulis side.
Where was he vs. Roma? Tied up in Fabregas's dungeon of shackles again? What about City? You measure a player that cost 40m in those games, not these games. He's not Chelsea starter material, and that's the fault of whoever recruited him, no fault of his own. 

But in comparison to Bakayoko Cahill and Oscar have been at the club for years, not for some months. Both of them got enough time to prove themselves. Bakayoko started the season injured, had no pre-season and actually had some good cameos/performances against Arsenal, Tottenham and Leicester. Then his form dipped after the Atletico game, but even Azpilicueta made some mistakes and playing next to Fabregas isn´t an easy task for any defensive midfielder. Against United he played really well, Matic couldnt cope with him and Baka should have scored two goals if his finishing wouldn´t have let him down. Not to mention that he just turned 23 in August, so there is naturally room for improvement. 

[The Skipper 20,593]

3 hours ago, Beigl said:

But in comparison to Bakayoko Cahill and Oscar have been at the club for years, not for some months. Both of them got enough time to prove themselves. Bakayoko started the season injured, had no pre-season and actually had some good cameos/performances against Arsenal, Tottenham and Leicester. Then his form dipped after the Atletico game, but even Azpilicueta made some mistakes and playing next to Fabregas isn´t an easy task for any defensive midfielder. Against United he played really well, Matic couldnt cope with him and Baka should have scored two goals if his finishing wouldn´t have let him down. Not to mention that he just turned 23 in August, so there is naturally room for improvement. 

Honestly. Bakayoko is just 23 and in his first season at Chelsea and he’s comparing him to Cahill and Oscar’s 3rd/4th/5th season here. Won’t even give him a chance. 

[Leif 6,006]

No more long posts explaining 'potential'. Use your eyes. He is fucking pathetic. Dreadful. Embarrassing. Lazy. Stupid. Worthless to our team. One of the worst midfielders I've ever seen play for any top team.

 

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

The goal was unlucky but baka and the wing backs have been appalling

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

This guy is beyond trash. 

Imagine being paid millions to scout all of world football for high-potential CMs, and you decide to spend £40M Bakayoko. 

What does this guy do? Seriously? 

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

20 minutes ago, Blue-in-me-Veins said:

This guy is beyond trash. 

Imagine being paid millions to scout all of world football for high-potential CMs, and you decide to spend £40M Bakayoko. 

What does this guy do? Seriously? 

What about Conte who kept him on after that shocker of a 1st half? 

[Special Juan 27,422]

This guy is terrible, he can't even fucking do the basics right let alone the tough stuff.

[Laylabelle 9,351]

Where did we find him?! Who found him?! And who thought he was worth it?!

Crazy and why he gets played..Maybe he hopes he'll become better..needs to keep hoping 

[FabHazard 655]

Should be sold along with zappacosta...We should not keep these below iq players and hold back our team...