Marcos Alonso

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  On 11/02/2019 at 15:06, El P. said:

I am sad when I read that someone thinks that he was the best LWB/LB in the league in season 2016/17.

No, he wasn't. He just had great season, but it was more a result of great circumstances for him, not because of his qualities.

Through history a lot of shitty players had great seasons. We all know Kalou and Bertrand won f*cking UCL as starters in final. Same shit here.

Shallow perception of football is one of the big things that are holding us down. He needed to be replaced long time ago. Conte knew that, hence he pursued Sandro for two seasons straight.

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I remember watching that 2016/17 team and thinking how the hell doesn't Alonso have 15 goals and 15 assists considering how much space he had on those flanks. But the opponents knew that he isn't exactly Jordi Alba quick going forward so they gave him ridiculous amounts of space and sometimes even ignored him completely because he wasn't much of a threat (except in the box)

Nevertheless, gotta give it to Conte. Winning the league with Alonso and Moses as wingbacks remains as one of the greatest heists in modern football history. We were of course helped by the fact that nearly all of our rivals were utter shite and extremely inconsistent throughout that season. There's no way that team could win the league this season.

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The 16/17 title win was great and memorable. Conte got the squad playing above where they should be. There are some slight similarities to Leicester’s title win (not saying they’re exactly the same of course) but a team who obviously no one would predict for the title, with no Europe and poor challengers. 

 

Like with Leicester’s team, yes, great achievement, but it hardly took a trained eye to critically analyse which players were top level, were important, were the main talents behind the run and which ones were playing above themselves, were just cogs in the team who tbh was a matter of time before they sink back to their normal level. The same with our 16/17 title winning team. A poster described it well above, there’s a certain ‘shallowness’ to fans perceptions of the team, not even fans but the board, pundits..

 

When we were linked with Drinkwater and how many times were people saying ‘he’s a PL winner, he and Kante are a PL winning midfield duo’ with no context, such a simplistic arguement that obviously could be counteracted with, ‘why don’t we just get Huth and Morgan’ or ‘Simpson and Fuchs’. Alonso and Moses put a good shift in 16/17, but it was also clear we needed to improve if we wanted to stay at that level. People may disagree with what I say next but, also, you probably replace them with any player of a similar standard and I doubt we see a difference in 16/17, that season eclipsed what tangible impact Alonso/Moses could have as individual talents, as they’re not very talented.

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  On 11/02/2019 at 17:40, ja1 said:

The 16/17 title win was great and memorable. Conte got the squad playing above where they should be. There are some slight similarities to Leicester’s title win (not saying they’re exactly the same of course) but a team who obviously no one would predict for the title, with no Europe and poor challengers. 

 

Like with Leicester’s team, yes, great achievement, but it hardly took a trained eye to critically analyse which players were top level, were important, were the main talents behind the run and which ones were playing above themselves, were just cogs in the team who tbh was a matter of time before they sink back to their normal level. The same with our 16/17 title winning team. A poster described it well above, there’s a certain ‘shallowness’ to fans perceptions of the team, not even fans but the board, pundits..

 

When we were linked with Drinkwater and how many times were people saying ‘he’s a PL winner, he and Kante are a PL winning midfield duo’ with no context, such a simplistic arguement that obviously could be counteracted with, ‘why don’t we just get Huth and Morgan’ or ‘Simpson and Fuchs’. Alonso and Moses put a good shift in 16/17, but it was also clear we needed to improve if we wanted to stay at that level. People may disagree with what I say next but, also, you probably replace them with any player of a similar standard and I doubt we see a difference in 16/17, that season eclipsed what tangible impact Alonso/Moses could have as individual talents, as they’re not very talented.

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I remember when Drinkwater had an ok game (scored a nice goal) against shit opponent and people were already "must play this guy ahead of Cesc, he can be great blah blah. 

Dont know if some are just so naive or wanted to comfort themselves over the fact we forked out 40m for him and he just has to be this good.

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😂

[MoroccanBlue 5,322]

Bull shite. 

[xPetrCechx 13,565]

  On 11/02/2019 at 20:22, DDA said:

😂

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And then Starting him the next game..

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  On 11/02/2019 at 20:37, xPetrCechx said:

And then Starting him the next game..

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🤷‍♂️

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

  On 09/02/2019 at 11:21, Unionjack said:

Lets hope Emersons in tomorrow.

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No.  Because that would mean Alonso is starting on the weekend.  I hope it's Alonso starting and it's a back-ups squad.

[OneMoSalah 8,834]

  On 11/02/2019 at 12:46, kellzfresh said:

Alonso and his poor decision making. Hazard is available in the open space and yet he decides to play a wasteful cross in the central zone

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I dont get why he didnt consider whipping that in behind the right sided CB to Higuain either. Higuain is basically primed to make the run and theres plenty space. The delivery if its right finds him and he probably hits the target or scores. Or yes play it to Eden.

[El P. 1,354]

  On 11/02/2019 at 23:17, OneMoSalah said:

I dont get why he didnt consider whipping that in behind the right sided CB to Higuain either. Higuain is basically primed to make the run and theres plenty space. The delivery if its right finds him and he probably hits the target or scores. Or yes play it to Eden.

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Maybe he wanted to give it to Higuain, but his cross is just that bad that it ended up going to Kante...

[Tomo 21,741]

  On 11/02/2019 at 09:30, Special Juan said:

He has just signed a new contract, he isn't going anywhere, and this where the club have no fucking clue what so ever.

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Ramires signed a new contract and left months later.

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  On 11/02/2019 at 23:17, OneMoSalah said:

I dont get why he didnt consider whipping that in behind the right sided CB to Higuain either. Higuain is basically primed to make the run and theres plenty space. The delivery if its right finds him and he probably hits the target or scores. Or yes play it to Eden.

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because he got rattled and was having a terrible game. One thing leads to another.

The problems with this team go a lot deeper than the LB choice. Case in point, the 4 nil defeat and how easy City scored after Alonso was gone.... we can't defend as a team because the players are not playing for the manager.

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He's the fuckin village ijit!!

Thick as 2 short planks!

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

  On 11/02/2019 at 23:17, OneMoSalah said:

I dont get why he didnt consider whipping that in behind the right sided CB to Higuain either. Higuain is basically primed to make the run and theres plenty space. The delivery if its right finds him and he probably hits the target or scores. Or yes play it to Eden.

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I remember watching that unfold and I though he has going to play in Hazard.  Then, Higuain made that run and I think that Alonso was aiming for him, but overhit it and it become a cross to Kante. 

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

  On 11/02/2019 at 23:28, El P. said:

Maybe he wanted to give it to Higuain, but his cross is just that bad that it ended up going to Kante...

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I should have read this first before I posted.  I think this is what actually happened.  His delivery comes just as Higuain is making his run.

[El P. 1,354]

  On 11/02/2019 at 17:04, Robchels said:

Be sad all you want... just please don't try to rewrite history.

All players perform well in a team because of the circumstances the system provides them with. The whole reiterated point made by Eden's fans is that he will do better in a better system. No player does "great" (your word) without qualities.

Terrible comparison there too. You are comparing a player (Alonso) who had MoTM performances against tough opposition, played most if not all games in our winning season, had a record of goals and plenty of assists to show for it, to subs and fringe players who played little (kalou a bit more).

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Ok, let's not compare Kalou or Bertrand. But what about Cahill? He too scored often 6-8 goals per season, played a lot of games and have been important for our success. Cahill too sometimes looked really good, in some setups, but regardless of that we all knew that he is not a top player, we all knew that he is only a good player. Why no one considered him top player, or one of the best central-backs in the league, like they did with Alonso? It really baffles me.

Alonso is Cahill of LWB/LB.

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  On 12/02/2019 at 03:12, Sideshow Luiz said:

I should have read this first before I posted.  I think this is what actually happened.  His delivery comes just as Higuain is making his run.

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You are one of our more level headed ant patient members mate but you surely can't be happy with the majority of what he has delivered.

If we are serious about competing - let alone dominating, we have to seriously stand outside and take a look at ortselves.

 

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  On 11/02/2019 at 13:44, Vesper said:

Marcos Alonso showed he's simply not good enough for Chelsea in one moment v Man City

https://www.givemesport.com/1452310-marcos-alonso-showed-poor-decision-making-at-40-down-during-man-city-vs-chelsea?autoplay=on

 

Chelsea are facing yet another crisis following Sunday's 6-0 defeat away to Manchester City.

Losing by a six-goal margin meant the Blues lost ground in the race for the top four and dropped below Manchester United and Arsenal into sixth.

Maurizio Sarri's role as manager is now under threat, too, and a lot of the players have been accused of not being good enough.

Individual mistakes plagued Chelsea's display at the Etihad Stadium as Marcos Alonso, Ross Barkley, Kepa Arrizabalaga and Cesar Azpilicueta all made errors leading to goals.

Alonso failed to track Bernardo Silva for City's opener, Barkley headed the ball straight to Sergio Aguero for his second of the game and Kepa should have gone better for Ilkay Gundogan's strike.

 

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He didn't even look to his left. One-dimensional player lacking any sort of outstanding skill.