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Is using other club's interest really a strong justification of a player's potential or talent? It's like us saying we should keep Willian because the likes of Barcelona and Juventus want him! 
Sooner people realised that the club effectively buckled because of Bayern, the better.

Also, I still believe he would have jumped ship had he not been out long term.
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we need to sign Jesus Navas and we will have some holy squad

I thought he was sensational today, couldn't help but smile when he scored the opener. If he can carry this on and we get our new striker signing right we could wind up with our best pair of forw

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19 hours ago, Tomo said:

Probably not half as bad as if we let him go because he "wanted too much" only to see him furfil his potential at Bayern or worse a top six rival.

But where do we/the club draw the line with these ridiculous wage demands? CHO had done absolutely nothing in the Premiership to deserve to paid this much! We fecked up badly with KDB and Salah but i can l live with us letting go of greedy, unproven players.

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What do you think happens with Tammy Abraham’s contract situation? Do we end up giving him what he’s looking for or try to buy a striker in the summer? — Henry H

Chelsea will look to come to an agreement with Abraham and sign another forward. The last I heard is that there haven’t been any new negotiations with Abraham for a while. That is not to say a deal won’t be agreed but it has been complicated with the forward asking for a similar deal to Callum Hudson-Odoi, who earns a basic wage of £120,000 a week but as much as £180,000 with add-ons.

Abraham is also waiting to see what Chelsea’s plans are regarding bringing in someone else up front. Obviously, he wants to build on this season and be first choice. A big arrival would risk that.

Chelsea want to strengthen the frontline and at least one of Michy Batshuayi and Olivier Giroud will leave. RB Leipzig’s Timo Werner is unlikely now with Liverpool stepping up their interest, so their focus is more on Lyon’s Moussa Dembele. He won’t come cheap, however, although he is not the kind of player that will automatically walk into the side.

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On 10/03/2020 at 0:30 PM, Tomo said:

Well it kind of goes hand in hand, Bayern wouldn't have offered him and us such a mega deal if he didn't have elite potential. If Google exchange rate isn't lying to me he would have jumped immediately in at number 2 for their most expensive signing ever, falling to number 3 when Hernandez joined.


I disagree slightly because I think Bayern's interest may not be quite as big an endorsement as it appears at first. That said, you must be right that they saw potential in Callum and he, quite rightly, used that to his advantage.

We've all marvelled at the way Bayern's prestige and complete dominance of the Bundesliga mean that, for years now, an important chunk of their recruitment costs then nothing but signing on fees. Coupled with enormous wealth, this allows them the leeway to be more adventurous with youth transfers. Sometimes seriously speculative buys are the result. When I told people that Renato Sanches's election as young player of Euro 2016 was ridiculous, and that Bayern had bought a dud, someone on a different forum told me I was embarrassing myself with my lack of knowledge about football. For good measure, he added the classic, "So you think you know better than Bayern Munich do you?"

From the outside, it looks to me like Bayern set aside a budget they can afford to blow, and tell their youth recruiters to be bold with it. If they unearth a diamond, it's party time. If they don't, the loss was planned for, and is a drop in the ocean anyway. They are gambling, but only with what they can afford to loose. Claiming to know better than Bayern would be stupid, but I do think my intuition of how they behave in the transfer market is better than that of the lad who accused me of knowing nothing. Just because they are prepared to spend big on a young player, does not necessarily mean he's the gold standard.

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Stats show he’s more clinical than Kane, so how good can Tammy Abraham be?



Tammy Abraham is the only one of Frank Lampard’s homegrown core not to agree a new long-term contract at Chelsea this season and the pandemic shutdown has only added to the sense of limbo.

As reported by The Athletic in December, Abraham’s insistence that any extension to his current deal — which pays him £50,000 a week and runs to June 2022 — puts him at least on par with Callum Hudson-Odoi’s £120,000-a-week basic salary has complicated negotiations. Both player and club were prepared to wait and resume talks in the summer, but the summer now looks very different.

Until the last few weeks, Abraham could have been forgiven for expecting his bargaining power to grow at the end of this season. He had nine games left to add to his tally of 13 Premier League goals and, with Harry Kane battling to recover from a hamstring injury, he was in pole position to lead the line for England at Euro 2020.

Now that opportunity has been taken away and Abraham’s best chance of strengthening his hand on the pitch will come, at best, behind closed doors. The transfer window that follows this season already looks likely to be one of the most volatile in recent memory, with so much of the financial fallout to COVID-19 still to be determined.

That could benefit Abraham. The risk of Chelsea splashing out on a big-name striker who relegates him to the role of understudy might have receded a little, though there are cheaper options; giving one extra year to Olivier Giroud was a pragmatic move for all involved, while Lampard really likes Dries Mertens, who is due to be a free agent. Don’t be surprised if that one is revisited.

But if football’s new financial reality does prompt Chelsea to scale back their spending plans, the consequences will not be limited to the transfer market. Last month, the club proposed a 30 per cent wage cut for the first-team squad, before deciding to park the issue for the time being when club captain Cesar Azpilicueta countered with a 10 per cent offer on behalf of the players.

Those talks will be revived if Project Restart falters or fails and, if any wage cut is agreed across the board, it becomes much more difficult to justify giving Abraham — or any other player — the kind of salary package that proved a sticking point when it was floated before COVID-19 hit.

Lampard’s desire is clear. Abraham has been his most intriguing — and at times his most thrillingly rewarding — development project this season, and the bond the pair have forged is strong. He has also established himself as the most beloved member of the “Class of 2019” at Stamford Bridge, where his personality regularly shines as brightly as his talent.

But as they consider how much they value him in their future plans, Chelsea must settle on an answer to a more fundamental question: How good can Tammy Abraham become?

Abraham approached this season as a once-in-a-career opportunity to establish himself as Chelsea’s next talismanic frontman, and he has done everything in his power to take it. Until a freak ankle injury sustained against Arsenal in January derailed his momentum, his status as first-choice striker was unquestionable, despite the presence of Giroud and Michy Batshuayi.

He has been the only reliable goalscorer in a squad regularly lacking a cutting edge, finding the net on average every 149.5 minutes in the Premier League. If he started all nine of Chelsea’s remaining matches and continued to score at the same rate, he would finish with 18 league goals, a tally surpassed only by Diego Costa (twice with 20) in the club’s previous nine seasons.

Along the way have been flashes of superstar potential. There was the run of seven goals in three matches in autumn, punctuated by a swaggering hat-trick against Wolves at Molineux. Then there was the moment in December when he appeared to channel Didier Drogba, first with the late winner that shattered Arsenal at the Emirates Stadium, then with his arm-pumping celebration.

But there have also been less glorious moments: being foiled by Alisson after running clear of the Liverpool defence with Chelsea 1-0 down at Stamford Bridge in September, or planting two unmarked headers into the arms of Bernd Leno during the 2-2 home draw with Arsenal in January, or finding nothing but air when he flung himself at a perfect Reece James cross against Leicester.

All in all, Abraham has had 24 “big chances”, as defined by Opta, in the Premier League this season and missed 17 of them. Some of the very best goalscorers miss a lot, but his “big chance” conversion rate of 29.2 per cent is comfortably the lowest of any of the 10 highest scorers in the competition in 2019-20.

Abraham’s expected goals (xG) rating for the season is 12.39, making his tally of 13 goals pretty much par for the course. But his expected goals on target (xGOT) value — Opta’s metric which takes into account how difficult shot attempts are for a goalkeeper to save — is only 10.58, reinforcing the idea that the quality of his finishing has not quite done justice to the quality of his chances.

The problem with these statistics, however, is that they are based on a pretty small sample size. For any assessment of whether Abraham can produce at the level of an elite Premier League striker, we have less than a full season’s worth of data to work with – only 1,944 minutes, to be exact. Chelsea will have access to more sophisticated internal metrics, but they also face the same difficulty.

Much of a striker’s statistical output can vary considerably from season to season. One of the more reliable measures of how consistently threatening they are is shot attempts (excluding blocks) per 90 minutes, and on this front Abraham looks good. His average has increased from 2.5 while on loan at Aston Villa last season to 2.8, putting him level with Mohamed Salah and Marcus Rashford and behind only Sergio Aguero (3.3) among the Premier League’s 10 leading scorers.

His 13 goals in this season’s Premier League have come from 60 shots (excluding blocks), which translates to a conversion rate of 21.7 per cent. This is considerably lower than the likes of Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (34.7 per cent) and Aguero (28.6 per cent), but higher than Salah (19.7 per cent) and Rashford (17.3 per cent).

Abraham’s expected goals per 90 minutes (xG90) also marks him out as one of the most consistently dangerous strikers in the Premier League this season. Once penalties are excluded, his value of 0.57 ranks third behind only Dominic Calvert-Lewin (0.64) and Aguero (0.76) among the Premier League’s top 10 goalscorers in 2019-20.

His movement is smart, his mindset is aggressive and he is not discouraged by missed chances. These are all encouraging signs for Abraham, and for Chelsea as they weigh up his leading-man credentials. That calculation must be based not only on how good the numbers suggest he is right now, but an educated projection of what he could be in his prime years.

The burden of being Chelsea’s first-choice striker means that Abraham will be compared to elite strikers operating at the peak of their powers. But he is also 22, so any analysis must also account for the possibility that he will get considerably better as he gets older.

Kane presents the ideal trajectory. Much like Abraham, he cut his teeth with several loans in the Football League and only became a regular Premier League starter at the age of 21, when his Europa League performances gave Mauricio Pochettino no choice but to elevate him to Tottenham’s starting XI ahead of the struggling Roberto Soldado.

At the age of 22, Kane won the Premier League Golden Boot for the first time with 25 goals in the 2015-16 season. On the face of it, that achievement puts him far ahead of Abraham’s current development curve, but if we look at the underlying numbers in context the picture becomes much more nuanced.


Kane may have scored almost double the number of goals in 2015-16 that Abraham has managed this season, but he also played a lot more games (and 1,400 more minutes). Their averages for goals per 90 minutes are much closer: 0.7 for Kane, 0.6 for Abraham. Five of Kane’s goals also came from the penalty spot, and when these are excluded the comparison of their numbers get very interesting.

Abraham’s expected goals per 90 minutes (xG90) of 0.57 is actually better than Kane’s 0.48 with penalties excluded, despite the Tottenham man averaging more shot attempts excluding blocks per 90 minutes (3.3, compared to 2.8). Kane’s shot conversion rate of 20.2 per cent in 2015-16 was also slightly worse than Abraham’s 21.7 per cent this season.

The one area in which Kane was clearly superior is in the realm of “big chances”: he scored 17 of 35 for a conversion rate of 49.6 per cent, compared to Abraham’s 29.2 per cent conversion rate.

Almost all of this is hugely encouraging for Abraham and for Chelsea, reinforcing the notion that a long-term contract could be very rewarding for both parties. His production in front of goal this season stands up to comparison with one of the finest Premier League campaigns recorded by the best English striker of a generation. A similar superstar trajectory is very much on the table.

We don’t have enough data to know whether Abraham’s relative struggles with “big chances” this season point to a more significant issue. But even if it does, there are plenty of examples of strikers becoming more clinical, composed and prolific as they get older. Thierry Henry was 22 when he first broke into double figures for goals in a season. Didier Drogba was 24.

There is, of course, more to being a leading striker at a top club in 2020 than simply scoring goals. Many of Abraham’s doubters at the beginning of this season argued that his skill set was a little too one-dimensional to succeed at the very highest level, that his hold-up and link-up play in particular were not refined enough to contribute to all aspects of his team’s play.

Both were early points of emphasis for Abraham from Lampard and his assistants during pre-season, and he has demonstrated remarkable progress both in training and in matches. His 6ft 3in frame is wiry rather than bulky, but he is stronger than he looks and he has learned the art of playing with his back to goal, using his sheer physical dimensions to hold off defenders as he controls the ball.

A recurring theme of Chelsea’s comprehensive 2-0 win over Tottenham in December was Abraham having his way with Toby Alderweireld and Davinson Sanchez to set the table for his team-mates:


Another sequence of play, against Brighton on New Years’ Day, when he outmuscled Lewis Dunk to control a dropping ball, turned him and drew a foul, was straight out of the Drogba playbook:


“He puts on videos of Didier and Diego Costa at night, he is like that,” Lampard said of Abraham in December. “He wants to be the best. He can look at those two and they will be great examples to follow.”

Abraham has embraced Lampard’s challenge to lead the Chelsea press from the front, often dovetailing well with Mason Mount to harass opposing defenders and win the ball back deep in the opposition half. Often only wayward finishing or poor decision-making in the final third have prevented the tireless work from resulting in goals.


When it comes to link-up play, Abraham has taken advantage of being in close proximity to Giroud, described by Eden Hazard in 2018 as the best target man in the world. “I look at Oli like an older brother,” he said of the Frenchman in October. “I’m always learning from him on the training pitch and I’ve grown up watching him.

“Oli is obviously not the fastest striker in the world, but what he has is unbelievable. His one-touch play, his hold-up play, his one-touch finishing. I just take those little things that I see in training. I’m a visual learner. I like to watch and take people’s ideas and add them to myself.”

Abraham is not much of a creative presence in Chelsea’s attack. He has averaged just 0.08 expected assists per 90 minutes in the Premier League this season and only touches the ball an average of 26.34 times outside the penalty area per 90 minutes. There have, however, been moments when he has exhibited impressive awareness of his team-mates.

Many of his best combinations have come with Mount, building on their long-standing chemistry in Chelsea’s youth sides. Here, against Everton at Goodison Park, he deftly flicks Kurt Zouma’s forward pass over the home defence to send his England team-mate darting into the penalty area:


And here, he brilliantly swivels and cushions a James’ cross down for Mount to volley in a memorable winner against Aston Villa in December:


Abraham’s aerial prowess is valuable at both ends of the pitch for Chelsea. He has scored three headed goals this season — for context, Costa only scored five in three Premier League campaigns — and averages 0.8 headed shot attempts per 90 minutes. At defensive set-pieces, Lampard frees him from marking assignments to attack the incoming ball (below), as Drogba once did so effectively.


Lampard’s tactical system deploys Abraham as if he were a talismanic front man, and there have been more than enough flashes this season to suggest his faith could be well placed.

The question is: do Chelsea believe Abraham is fundamental to their future plans? With two years left on his current contract, the tick of the clock isn’t too ominous just yet, even if the protracted nature of the negotiations cannot be ignored. There is time for all parties to reach a mutually satisfying agreement.

Abraham is adored at Stamford Bridge, and all the indications are that he is desperate to become Chelsea’s next legendary striker. Considering the challenges to which he has already risen this season, the smart move is probably for the club to give him every opportunity to realise his dream.

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5 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Not sure he will sign that contract now. Some reports earlier said that he is waiting to see who we will buy.

If he doesn't want to fight for his spot, then it says a lot more about him than us. 

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8 minutes ago, Jason said:

If he doesn't want to fight for his spot, then it says a lot more about him than us. 

It most def does......what the fuck can he be waiting for, this is the break you were dreaming about. Go out there and grab your destiny with both hands no matter whom comes in.

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On 04/06/2020 at 7:18 PM, Jason said:

If he doesn't want to fight for his spot, then it says a lot more about him than us. 

Partly but I do think that the financial side of it cannot be easily ignored either, as I would reckon its more the issue than playing time or another CF coming in. He wants to match Callums wages and for someone who has 13 PL goals in basically his debut season of playing regularly for the club, he has every right considering how the club bowed to a player who played maybe 10 or 15 games and got the 120k that goes to 180k with add ons and almost gave him the number 10 shirt after that was apparently askes for included in negotiations. I mean this wont be the first time we see player X wants to earn closer/same as CHO in the next few years I reckon. We panicked because of Bayern Munichs interest and caved and for me the jury is still out as to whether this season he has done anything of note bar a few wee spells in a couple of games and the Newcastle one. Personally think he did more under Sarri.

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Chelsea want Abraham and Werner in same XI. But No 9 won’t rush to sign new deal



In the summer of 2003, Frank Lampard made a decision that would define his career. He reported to Harlington for Chelsea pre-season training and watched as, one headline-grabbing deal after another, new owner Roman Abramovich’s unprecedented transfer spree transformed the squad before his eyes.

Most worrying for Lampard were the arrivals of Joe Cole from West Ham, Juan Sebastian Veron from Manchester United and Claude Makelele from Real Madrid. Competition for places in Claudio Ranieri’s midfield was ramped up within the space of a few wild weeks, and expectations of what Chelsea could achieve on the pitch grew sky high.

“I thought about the situation and decided that I had two choices: I could leave Chelsea or I could become a better footballer,” Lampard later recalled in his 2006 autobiography. “I decided to become a better footballer.” He finished the 2003-04 Premier League season with 10 goals from midfield for the first time in his career — a taste of what was to follow.

The challenge presented to Tammy Abraham by Chelsea’s impressive move for RB Leipzig forward Timo Werner is not quite the same. Abramovich has bought only one new potential rival, albeit one with formidable pedigree; 25 goals in 30 Bundesliga appearances this season marks the Germany international out as one of the most talented and dangerous attackers anywhere in Europe.

But it is a transfer that invites questions about how Chelsea view Abraham within their broader plans. Their decision to spend up to €60 million on a new attacker has raised a few eyebrows — not just because few other clubs are prepared to commit to such large deals during the pandemic, but also because they already have a striker who the numbers show has scored at a similar rate this season to a 22-year-old Harry Kane.

Sources have told The Athletic that there were no specific conversations with Abraham about Chelsea’s decision to move for Werner before the deal was agreed and then leaked into the public domain. Lampard and his staff will, however, be watching their No 9 closely during training in the coming days and weeks to see how he reacts to the news.

The feeling around Chelsea is that it will be good for Abraham to feel pushed. That is the way it should be at clubs with the greatest resources and grandest aspirations. His idol, Didier Drogba, forged a large part of his Stamford Bridge legacy on devouring other strikers brought in at great expense: hitting 20 Premier League goals in a season for the first time after Andriy Shevchenko’s arrival, then responding to the arrival of Fernando Torres by delivering the Champions League.

Abraham has shown plenty of this kind of determination in his career to date, proving himself as a prolific goalscorer during loans at Bristol City and Aston Villa either side of a deeply frustrating spell at Swansea City that might have derailed a young striker with less self-belief. This season he has done enough to put to rest any doubts about his ability to punish Premier League defences.

Lampard still considers Abraham central to the Chelsea team he is building. He wants his No 9 to be the focal point for the attack, just as adept holding up the ball with his back to goal and linking play as he is leading the team press and running in behind opposition defences. Abraham has shown hugely promising signs since last summer of being able to combine the best parts of Olivier Giroud’s game with his own greater speed and mobility.

There is a reason why the forwards Chelsea have looked closest at over the past six months — Dries Mertens, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang and Werner — all happen to be converted wingers. They fit the profile of proven goalscorers who can just as easily play with Abraham as instead of him, as second strikers or left wingers encouraged to attack the penalty area at every opportunity.

Werner’s tactical role for RB Leipzig has shifted this season, with Julian Nagelsmann often deploying him in front of the opposition defence more as a left-sided inside forward than a conventional on-the-shoulder striker. It has helped him become a more complete attacking threat, learning how best to exploit deep-lying opponents by drifting intelligently between the defensive lines, as well as using his explosive speed and acceleration to carve them open in transition.

Along the way he has built an easy chemistry with Yussuf Poulsen, the 6ft 4in Denmark international who provides RB Leipzig with a more traditional focal point. It isn’t hard to imagine Werner and Abraham interacting in similar ways for Chelsea next season. If they do it could actually be Christian Pulisic, who began to flourish as Lampard’s secondary scoring threat from the left before missing three months with a groin injury, who faces the bigger fight to keep his starting spot.

There will likely need to be a rebalancing of Chelsea’s attack whatever happens. Werner has averaged 4.1 shot attempts per 90 minutes in the Bundesliga this season, second only to Robert Lewandowski and more than Mohamed Salah (3.9) averages for Liverpool. Poulsen averages 2.4 shot attempts per 90 minutes — the same as Giroud in the Premier League this season — underlining his role as more of a facilitator than a true threat.

Abraham averages 3.4 shot attempts per 90 minutes, ranking him fifth in the Premier League among regular starters. Playing with Pulisic this season has given him a taste of what to expect if paired with Werner; the USA international has managed to average 3.3 shot attempts per 90 minutes without either of them feeling sidelined within Chelsea’s attack. Regardless of which combination he picks, Lampard will expect his forwards to figure it out on the pitch to the benefit of the team.

The complicating factor in all of this is the unresolved state of Abraham’s contract talks. He has two years left to run on his current deal. His scoring form has done much this season to strengthen his negotiating position, though apparently not quite enough yet to convince Chelsea that he is worth a package comparable with Callum Hudson-Odoi’s £120,000-a-week basic salary.

Werner’s deal, which sources have told The Athletic is likely to rise to around £170,000-a-week plus bonuses, could well establish a new benchmark for Abraham’s camp. Lampard is understood to remain confident that Chelsea will convince their No 9 to commit his long-term future to the club, but it is fair to say that the process has already taken longer than most anticipated.

Those around Abraham say he is keeping an open mind about Werner’s arrival. He always expected Chelsea to sign a new attacker in this transfer window, and he will back himself to win any battle to be Lampard’s starting striker. Don’t be surprised, however, if he decides to wait until he has a better idea of what the new arrival will mean for his game time before revisiting the contract question.

Recent history shows Abraham the path Chelsea would like him to take. Lampard used the Abramovich revolution to drive himself to become arguably the greatest player in the club’s history. As well as seeing off Shevchenko and Torres, Drogba formed a prolific partnership with Nicolas Anelka which helped Carlo Ancelotti win an historic Double in 2009-10.

Whether he becomes a rival, a running mate or a combination of the two, Werner could be exactly what Abraham needs to take his game to the next level. What happens next is up to him.

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1 minute ago, Johnnyeye said:

Now that Werner has signed, we will see what Abraham is really about, lets see if he is willing to push himself to the next level.

Reckon the new man is No 1 striker (prob a bit of the contract we don't get to see) and as you say will gee up Abraham. Exciting times ahead....

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19 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Reckon the new man is No 1 striker (prob a bit of the contract we don't get to see) and as you say will gee up Abraham. Exciting times ahead....

its shaping up to be a great transfer window, we already secured Werner and Ziyech, with maybe 2 more signings still to be done, exciting times indeed bro :) 

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53 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

This kind of suggest Timo will play as a striker.

This is what Lampard said in full...


Lampard also explained how he has discussed the need for competition for places with Tammy Abraham, who has impressed in his breakthrough campaign and currently sits at the top of the club's scoring charts.

He said: "Yes, I have spoken to Tammy before on the idea of competition and I don’t feel the need to have to address every player after one comes in at a club like Chelsea because that’s what it is about.

"It has been about that in its most successful years in recent years in the Roman Abramovich era mainly. Tammy has had a really good season for us and he has to sustain and improve on that because at Chelsea we have demands.

"I am happy to have options and we have options in forward areas and we must have competition for places. I am pleased with the idea of that."

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The less said about this guy the better. I really hope we put everything we got into getting Havertz and this guy doesn't get the contract. Hopefully sold to Everton or some midtable team.

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