lentherussian 86 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Ive got many issues with both the suarez and terry case. Both very different as suarez admitted what he said and terrys denied it. Firstly on terry, its been given far too much coverage. Media sayin they cant comment because its in hands of police and innocent till proven guilty etc but there constantly goin on about it as if he is and the pressure its putting on everyone is unfair. It should have been left to be dealt with officially. If he is found guilty then everyone from fa to chelsea can deal with it. Even if he has said it, i dont agree with it but it doesnt make him a racist just an idiot. Im pretty sure if he was racist it would of been flagged up earlier at some point in his career not just decided to turn at 31.With suarez i find it alot more complex but equally wrong how its been handled. I have a big problem with the fa seeming to take the moral highground and ban him for 8 games. You cant treat everyone the same, its how suarez and the people of uruguay have been brought up, people sayin ''its no excuse'' well no its not, but its a reason, and a valid one in my eyes. If hed have thought it was wrong hed have denied saying it but he never did and surely he needs educating not banning. I dont believe in instances of name calling type racism the fa should get involved, maybe the fa could of handed the info into liverpool and made dalglish deal with it, release statement or punish if they like. After all if he is racist the people who know him best would know. I dont think individual cases like this need dealing with by fa, it wdnt be footballs problem but societys and the fact the fa think they can bring an end to racism is a joke in itself. Im not excusing it or say ignore it but if a manager did stand by a racist player who else in that team would play for him. It would sort itself out. The large scale that it used to happen in stands and still abroad needs dealing with but i dont believe incidents like this require that severe an action under there own personal circumstance. Are the fa now gonna step in if a player makes a remark about someones wife etc and the player complains about abuse?. It looks to me like there just flexing there muscles and showing off to the rest of europe.I think the majority of the media and fa are hypocrits. How often thru the years do we see a gerrard, terry, scholes, keane etc chuck in a really bad challenge and these media just laugh it off as being 'lucky to get away with it'' or ''scholes cant tackle''. Then essien or a song does the same and they lambast them as threatning someones career? racist? The fa are allways goin soft on sir alex and recently redknapp. Avb, mourinho, wenger or benitez get done by the fa. Racist? This is only my opinion and im not saying im right but i dont buy the fa as clamping down at all, there just trying to be bigger then they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Whether he's guilty or not, I still find it amazing to think someone would be criminally charged for something like this.i know its not even a big deal. What blatter said about a handshake is pretty much the only sensible thing ive ever heard him say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,312 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Ive got many issues with both the suarez and terry case. Both very different as suarez admitted what he said and terrys denied it. Firstly on terry, its been given far too much coverage. Media sayin they cant comment because its in hands of police and innocent till proven guilty etc but there constantly goin on about it as if he is and the pressure its putting on everyone is unfair. It should have been left to be dealt with officially. If he is found guilty then everyone from fa to chelsea can deal with it. Even if he has said it, i dont agree with it but it doesnt make him a racist just an idiot. Im pretty sure if he was racist it would of been flagged up earlier at some point in his career not just decided to turn at 31.With suarez i find it alot more complex but equally wrong how its been handled. I have a big problem with the fa seeming to take the moral highground and ban him for 8 games. You cant treat everyone the same, its how suarez and the people of uruguay have been brought up, people sayin ''its no excuse'' well no its not, but its a reason, and a valid one in my eyes. If hed have thought it was wrong hed have denied saying it but he never did and surely he needs educating not banning. I dont believe in instances of name calling type racism the fa should get involved, maybe the fa could of handed the info into liverpool and made dalglish deal with it, release statement or punish if they like. After all if he is racist the people who know him best would know. I dont think individual cases like this need dealing with by fa, it wdnt be footballs problem but societys and the fact the fa think they can bring an end to racism is a joke in itself. Im not excusing it or say ignore it but if a manager did stand by a racist player who else in that team would play for him. It would sort itself out. The large scale that it used to happen in stands and still abroad needs dealing with but i dont believe incidents like this require that severe an action under there own personal circumstance. Are the fa now gonna step in if a player makes a remark about someones wife etc and the player complains about abuse?. It looks to me like there just flexing there muscles and showing off to the rest of europe.I think the majority of the media and fa are hypocrits. How often thru the years do we see a gerrard, terry, scholes, keane etc chuck in a really bad challenge and these media just laugh it off as being 'lucky to get away with it'' or ''scholes cant tackle''. Then essien or a song does the same and they lambast them as threatning someones career? racist? The fa are allways goin soft on sir alex and recently redknapp. Avb, mourinho, wenger or benitez get done by the fa. Racist? This is only my opinion and im not saying im right but i dont buy the fa as clamping down at all, there just trying to be bigger then they are.Good post Len -I alluded to your points in shorter terms before.I also think standing back from it theres an elephant in the room -ie its the FAs response to Blatter and FIFAs couldnt care less about racism attitude, by saying, look this is how we deal with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,534 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 First hearing to be done in February....JT vows to clear name..yada yada http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16289446.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 If guilty, time to find another captain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hd123 5 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 If Saurez got an 8 match banHe's going to get the chair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drogba11CFC 108 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 If Saurez got an 8 match banHe's going to get the chair And that's if he's innocent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stamford Heart 16 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Damn .I'm sure that Terry isn't racist .QPR game !! is the most hated one .Hope that this season is the last one in the PL for their fans ever . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stamford Heart 16 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 If guilty, time to find another captain.!!Why ? cuz they said that Terry is racist ?The Captain is innocent . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 !!Why ? cuz they said that Terry is racist ?The Captain is innocent .A global brand with a captain that is found guilty for racism. Nice idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stamford Heart 16 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 A global brand with a captain that is found guilty for racism. Nice idea.for god sake he's not racist !If he said to anton (black c**t) I say (IF) that dosn't make him racist !its a mistake that he made and am so sure that there is no evidance that make the Captain guilty for racism .Also, I didn't see him saying that word in the game and we all see how mean the QPR playas were on that game . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 for god sake he's not racist !If he said to anton (black c**t) I say (IF) that dosn't make him racist !its a mistake that he made and am so sure that there is no evidance that make the Captain guilty for racism .Also, I didn't see him saying that word in the game and we all see how mean the QPR playas were on that game .You are acting like a small child. IF he is found guilty he cant be captain anymore, unless our board is useless and stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stamford Heart 16 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 You are acting like a small child. IF he is found guilty he cant be captain anymore, unless our board is useless and stupid.1. small child !I see it racism ! am going to the police .2. IF he is found guilty he cant be captain anymoregive me a break ! making a mistake is something and being racist is something else ! ( Big Man ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 1. small child ! I see it racism ! am going to the police . 2. IF he is found guilty he cant be captain anymore give me a break ! making a mistake is something and being racist is something else ! ( Big Man ) It doesnt matter it he is racist or not, what is matter is that "mistake" damage his image and also club's image specially if he stays as the captain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanicus 5,208 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 You shouldn't be blaming QPR.I shouldn't? They take every chance just to put Chelsea in shit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stamford Heart 16 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 It doesnt matter it he is racist or not, what is matter is that "mistake" damage his image and also club's image specially if he stays as the captain.You're taking this so serious ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary gordon 1,777 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 The sad thing is, with society, we are all racist's!.It's natural to say "bloody asians" when your stuck behind them in 80km zone and they are doing 40. Since i got my drivers license in 01, i can easily say 99% of every accident i have ever seen has had to do with an Asian driver. They simply suck at driving and i, along with everybody i know has said "bloody asian driver's". Does that make me a racist?Here in Australia racism is extremely high. Redneck aussie's hate anybody that isn't white. Me, being of a middle eastern background just grew to live with it. I don't get why people are so still so touchy about the subject. I don't consider myself a racist, as i myself am a minority, But honestly, Black people need to get over it!! When a black comedian i.e.: Chris rock, sits there ripping into white people on a regular basis, you don't see white people up in arms about it! If Terry is found innocent, nothing will happen to Anton Ferdinand . If Terry is found guilty, it will ruin his life and career. How is this fair?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hd123 5 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 If JT racially abused him then quite frankly he is stupid. Yes, without a doubt many people don't care if someone calls them names but in this day and age with all the political correctness you just can't spout shit like that. Especially when you are the captain of one of the biggest clubs in England and the national team.I hope he's innocent tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 The sad thing is, with society, we are all racist's!.If Terry is found innocent, nothing will happen to Anton Ferdinand . If Terry is found guilty, it will ruin his life and career. How is this fair??"Fantastic" arguments. Everybody is racist, so there is no racists.English football is moving in right direction. Its a serious country, if Terry is guilty he must be punished. Suarez took 8 games ban, plus money. Amazing.There is no room for racism anymore. If there a lot of racists in Australia and its normal there, thats a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 If he said that and the Vid prooves him guilty without any doubt, then he must get ripped off the capitancy no matter what... give it to Lamps, and if he doesn't play give it to ash or Drogs...this is not the first time he would have commited such a mistake... what ever a good player he is or was... and what ever legend, IF he is GUILTY he can't complain...the vids I've seen sofar dont seem to speak against terrys explenaitions of the Incident that he said "Oi Ferdinand, i didnt call you a Black C*nt"...but if there is any vid of proveing it than they have to show it, so there are no doubts about it...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0z_Y2dk-aQ&feature=related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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