The Conte Thread

[Unionjack 7,531]

This is a report from back in Nov. Not purely about the Don but an interesting article 

View From Stamford Bridge: The Joy Of Training

http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/view-from-stamford-bridge-the-joy-of-training

[Kieran. 6,317]

On 3/3/2017 at 9:18 AM, Fernando said:

SAF reached three champions league finals out of how many? 

Surely if Conte is as bad in the cup games and he gets 20 years of trying he will get to the final 1 or 2 times. 

So far what I can see is that he's better for League format then cup format. 

And to me that's not bad, I would take winning the league more frequently like SAF did.

He actually reached the final 4 times iirc, lost to Barcelona twice, beat us and Bayern.

[Unionjack 7,531]

Tell me this isn't exactly how you feel and what you do as a supporter when we score! I just love Conte doing it and also when Mou did it. That time he walked along to the camera pulling out our badge on his jacket and patting it I gotta say made me love the guy.

But I betya Roman would do this too if they was watching it together! Now thats summet we need to see!

 

 

[11Drogba 2,000]

On 3/3/2017 at 5:18 PM, Fernando said:

SAF reached three champions league finals out of how many?

When he had Ronaldo in his squad he was reaching finals and winning it too.

I think Conte just like Ferguson is not the type of manager who would reach CL final with Atletico or Borussia, but give them current Real, Barca or Bayern and they would dominate CL just like they dominated their local leagues.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,890]

4 hours ago, Kieran. said:

He actually reached the final 4 times iirc, lost to Barcelona twice, beat us and Bayern.

You're right, I had forgotten that it was two finals against Barça.

That reinforces the point that the criticism of Ferguson is not valid. Also backs up the reality that, given enough players of the right quality, there is absolutely no sensible reason to believe that Antonio could not achieve excellent champions League results with this team.  Jose took a significantly less talented squad than our current one to the CL semis three seasons ago. I believe everything is possible for Antonio.

[Unionjack 7,531]

Interesting article from last June.

Chelsea & Antonio Conte: The Quick Fix Paradox

http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/chelsea-antonio-conte-the-quick-fix-paradox

[Leif 6,006]

All teams will improve next season, so this is unreasonable, but I do expect better next season, both from Conte but moreso the players.

For the sort of runs & records we went on this season, to drop some of the points we did, for all that domination and sweat, to only be 10 points ahead now, isn't good enough. It's good, but we want to be great. What we're doing now is the norm; winning the league by having around 3 more wins than the teams around. A normal league title, but based on those figures and the terrible management around us (esp Guardiola), not near exceptional. If we were as exceptional as we could've been, we simply would and should've been 20+ points ahead right now. We shouldn't have lost to Arsenal, nor any of the other small teams (which Juventus simply never did, so its the players more than Conte for sure.) We would've drawn with Tottenham, and our record would still be alive (I believe?). 

Good season. But an exceptional one would really cement us back as the top dog. That said, it's not like the leaders of La Liga, Ligue 1 or the Bundesliga are ahead by even 4 points or more (Juve ahead by 8). Compared to them, a less rocky season. Yet if we don't raise our standards they'll surely slip in just a year or 2. Our expectancy should be to win the league every season; and doing so more confidently can be the only next aim.

[Tomo 21,733]

53 minutes ago, Leif said:

All teams will improve next season, so this is unreasonable, but I do expect better next season, both from Conte but moreso the players.

For the sort of runs & records we went on this season, to drop some of the points we did, for all that domination and sweat, to only be 10 points ahead now, isn't good enough. It's good, but we want to be great. What we're doing now is the norm; winning the league by having around 3 more wins than the teams around. A normal league title, but based on those figures and the terrible management around us (esp Guardiola), not near exceptional. If we were as exceptional as we could've been, we simply would and should've been 20+ points ahead right now. We shouldn't have lost to Arsenal, nor any of the other small teams (which Juventus simply never did, so its the players more than Conte for sure.) We would've drawn with Tottenham, and our record would still be alive (I believe?). 

Good season. But an exceptional one would really cement us back as the top dog. That said, it's not like the leaders of La Liga, Ligue 1 or the Bundesliga are ahead by even 4 points or more (Juve ahead by 8). Compared to them, a less rocky season. Yet if we don't raise our standards they'll surely slip in just a year or 2. Our expectancy should be to win the league every season; and doing so more confidently can be the only next aim.

We have only dropped 15 points all season, to be 20 points clear at this stage we could only have afforded 5 dropped points, you surely can't be demanding 25 wins and a draw in 27 games to class the season as exceptional, can you ?

[Leif 6,006]

Well yes. That would be exceptional. Being ahead by 3 points wouldn't be, that wouldn't be great. Ahead by 10 points? Now we're in the territory of good, for some people great. But there's plenty of great teams, and you only come out on top again and again if you raise your game to exceptional. So yes, I do expect us to do what Juve have done, essentially twice, what Arsenal have done, twice, what we would've done only if we implemented our formation from day 1, not after the Arsenal loss. With the consistency of formation in place, all you need is 1 player more in this team, whether he replaces Matic or Costa, to push us over the edge into exceptional. Managing to upgrade in solely 1 of those 2 areas would bring us just into the level for my exceptional standard to be met next season 

[Fernando 6,453]

27 minutes ago, Mana said:

Conte is a wonderful manager to have. I am just scared that we may sack him if things turn south. Pells, Mourinho, Ranieri...

Break that trend Super Conte!

If not being above the relegation zone like Mourinho and Raniere, then he should be fine. 

I think the club has realized that one season out of the CL is not the end of the world. But being close to relegation zone is. 

 

[BoyBlue96 990]

7 hours ago, Fernando said:

If not being above the relegation zone like Mourinho and Raniere, then he should be fine. 

I think the club has realized that one season out of the CL is not the end of the world. But being close to relegation zone is. 

 

Carlo Ancelotti got sacked when finished second in the League. People can say whatever they want about him but it was a disgraceful thing to do from the club. 

[manpe 10,861]

1 hour ago, BoyBlue96 said:

Carlo Ancelotti got sacked when finished second in the League. People can say whatever they want about him but it was a disgraceful thing to do from the club. 

It was, but at that time Abramovich didn't have the perspective that he has now I believe. Having gone through incredible highs and lows during this time that we didn't go through before I think he won't be this trigger happy again.

[Special Juan 27,421]

A man who washes his hands after shaking hands with the opposition gets a thumbs up from me.

[BoyBlue96 990]

I hope the club and Roman give him a 300 million war chest in the summer for his list of targets. Get him who he wants at all costs. Last summer, even though we're doing good, the board failed him so they have to make up for that.

Especially if he wins us the title in his first season, he immediately has enough credit to get full backing from the board and the owner and with that, a big fucking transfer war chest and a new contract with a huge payment boost.

 

Forza Antonio!  

[Unionjack 7,531]

Tkinks "Gotta get this smell of Pikey and wet spam off me mits"

Obviously some type of OCD or germ phobia but I'd rather think the 1st choice.

 

I really would like to see him get the choices HE wants I doubt very much if they would please the majority of us but I think he's earned that chance to do so.

[Tomo 21,733]

7 hours ago, BoyBlue96 said:

Carlo Ancelotti got sacked when finished second in the League. People can say whatever they want about him but it was a disgraceful thing to do from the club. 

He got tactically bent over by Dalglish and brought Torres over Aguero, he deserves the sack for those things alone.

[DYC. 7,542]

11 minutes ago, Tomo said:

He got tactically bent over by Dalglish and brought Torres over Aguero, he deserves the sack for those things alone.

Haha, I knew this was coming.

Milan, Chelsea, Real and Bayern yet Tomo rates him as a midtable manager.

[Tomo 21,733]

11 minutes ago, DYC. said:

Haha, I knew this was coming.

Milan, Chelsea, Real and Bayern yet Tomo rates him as a midtable manager.

No I don't, no need to twist it. However I still remember how horrific that second season was so for as long as people say Carll was doing an amazing job and his sacking was a total disgrace, I'll keep biting.

However compared to Jose, Conte and even then first coming of Hiddink I thought he fell short in terms of overall and I felt that even during the double season.

Funnily enough I had similar complaints about him than I did Rafa, when it was good under both it was very good (hence our two biggest wins ever coming under the pair) but neither knew how to react when things were going wrong and the team got complacent at awfully inappropriate times.

If i had to make a comparison in terms of what level I see the managers at, Rafa and Carlo would be Pedro and Duff while Jose and Conte would be Robben and Hazard.