The Conte Thread

[DDA 9,689]

3 minutes ago, nono said:

He keeps talking about incorporating players into his style of football but what does he really mean ? All i really see is a defensive approach. Two games we've nicked in the dying minutes and finally we lost points today against a really poor side. He hasn't binned any of our underperformers from last season. Every new manager must take a year to assess the garbage in our squad and since we change managers every year they'll basically be with us forever.

 As for Conte what is really special about him? I don't see it so far. Mourinho wouldve had the exact same lineup that he's been playing so what was the point of bringing him in ? The football hasn't really changed and the youth players can't even make the squad.

 

Not exactly true. Yea the starting line up is frustrating at times but comon, you really think the team under Hose last year would have faught as hard to get the draw or a possible win? Conte has definitely changed a beaten up mentality to a fighting spirit. Who knows if he is just resting players like Cesc for the bigger ganes that we have coming up! 

[nono 791]

1 minute ago, DDA said:

Not exactly true. Yea the starting line up is frustrating at times but comon, you really think the team under Hose last year would have faught as hard to get the draw or a possible win? Conte has definitely changed a beaten up mentality to a fighting spirit. Who knows if he is just resting players like Cesc for the bigger ganes that we have coming up! 

After going 1 up our play became really lethargic. We didn't fight hard at all. Frantic scurrying in the last 10 mins to save two points isnt really fighting hard. Any professional player with dignity would do that.

[DDA 9,689]

3 minutes ago, nono said:

After going 1 up our play became really lethargic. We didn't fight hard at all. Frantic scurrying in the last 10 mins to save two points isnt really fighting hard. Any professional player with dignity would do that.

We didn't fight hard at all?? I think you are wrong. That frantic scurrying in the ladt ten minutes was the result of fighting hard lol! We should have scored a third tbh

[blues.bridge 343]

Someone have To explain me why, With all problems we have for starting play, we have To keep  fabregas  on the bench?   Why why why?????

It's like Break a tire And don't use The spare!

[Henrique 9,133]

36 minutes ago, nono said:

 

 As for Conte what is really special about him? I don't see it so far. Mourinho wouldve had the exact same lineup that he's been playing so what was the point of bringing him in ? The football hasn't really changed and the youth players can't even make the squad.

 

Only first 4 games of the season. Even Guardiola's City don't look a special team. Actually the Manchester derby from yesterday was far from a flawless one, and City didn't look "solid". Some people in this forum are really trying to picture Conte as a genius (some are vem saying we scored the 2nd goal because of his subs, perhaps in a attempt to picture him as a game changer), and there is nothing at this point to suggest he is a genius, but there is also nothing to suggest he is a fraud. 

We started the team with the same shit back four as last season. Swansea 2nd goal was a Cahill+Terry construction. Terry passed the ball to Cahill in a dangerous position (first mistake), and Cahill was really slow with his reaction (2nd mistake). You cant blame Conte for the quality of the back 4.

To other side I'm getting worried about his decisions to play the same players every single game. It seems he is doing a Mourinho and fielding the same players no matter who the opponent is. His in game decisions are not impressing at all. Moses replacing Willian was a weird move, Fabregas was introduced too late, and Batshuay for Oscar was the cliché 2CF in the last minutes that barely pays off. 

Don't expect this team to challenges for PL trophy this season. Getting a top 4 finish will be a huge achievement. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

We win...Conte is the best manager.

We dont win...Conte is average...what did he do so far...we should keep Mou...

Some people Change the opinion as the wind goes.

[nono 791]

They are missing 4 starting players. Kompany, Aguero, Gabriel Jesus and Gundogan. Their football just looks way more fluid whereas ours is just as disjointed as last season because we haven't really changed anything at all apart from the defense.

[Styles 9,790]

2 minutes ago, nono said:

They are missing 4 starting players. Kompany, Aguero, Gabriel Jesus and Gundogan. Their football just looks way more fluid whereas ours is just as disjointed as last season because we haven't really changed anything at all apart from the defense.

Tbf Guardiola is starting with a much stronger group. Man City have better footballers (ability on the ball mainly) in pretty much every single position. You make a combined XI and who makes the teams? Kante and Hazard and that's about it.

[nono 791]

1 minute ago, Styles said:

Tbf Guardiola is starting with a much stronger group. Man City have better footballers (ability on the ball mainly) in pretty much every single position. You make a combined XI and who makes the teams? Kante and Hazard and that's about it.

Courtois and Bravo can make a real battle of that GK position. Both have been like wizards this wekeend.  

[kellzfresh 7,229]

2 minutes ago, Styles said:

Tbf Guardiola is starting with a much stronger group. Man City have better footballers (ability on the ball mainly) in pretty much every single position. You make a combined XI and who makes the teams? Kante and Hazard and that's about it.

They have better players on the ball and all are mobile enough to adapt to pressing. While we have so many poor in possession so naturally our gameplay will never be fluid if the ball keeps bouncing off our players on their first touch 

[MefiX19 1,092]

Lol some people not happy with Conte because our players did not score to open net? 

[Polo7 3,496]

And so it begins.....dark times ahead.

[Tomo 21,733]

31 minutes ago, nono said:

They are missing 4 starting players. Kompany, Aguero, Gabriel Jesus and Gundogan. Their football just looks way more fluid whereas ours is just as disjointed as last season because we haven't really changed anything at all apart from the defense.

Sorry what?

[Special Juan 27,439]

Whilst today was a little annoying how it went I cannot believe the reaction in here.

[nono 791]

4 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Sorry what?

Our football hasn't really improved is what I'm saying.

[Tomo 21,733]

Just now, nono said:

Our football hasn't really improved is what I'm saying.

From last season? Yes it has, that's not exactly saying much, but still.

[Barbara 15,149]

We are improving, even if the only effective change in the team is Kanté for Cesc. Which means the credit goes to the manager - although getting rid of the horrible environment Mourinho built also weights in.

I still don't get why we have Matic as the midfielder supporting our attack. Maybe he's under the same illusion as Mourinho about height? I believe today was yet another match for at least bring Fabregas much earlier.

The defense is as bad as it has always been, we've been getting away with it because we've faced (including today) terrible opponents so far.

I hope Luiz is incorporated soon because even with his ups and downs, it doesn't get worse than Cahill + Terry (as much as I dislike Ivanovic, I must admit he hasn't been compromising as of late). While Mariner stole a goal do Swansea as Fer fouled Cahill twice and never touched the ball, why was Cahill so rooted while asking Terry to pass him the ball? Why so slow (both legs and brain)? It was infuriating, I can't wait to get rid of him for good.

Conte continues to take too long to change the team, but I am giving him this calendar year to get used to things (because unfortunately we have fucking international breaks in October and November too). Let's see if he starts being more daring and bolder. I have complaints about some of his choices - starting lineup and subs - but all in all he's been changing the attitude and the approach, even if he's been using the same players as Mourinho and Hiddink did last season, bar Kanté.

Speaking of whom, we must acknowledge what piece of business we've made getting him. Maybe Conte is getting some of the credit because of Kanté, but definitely both deserve credit so far.

Making mistakes is part of the game and the job. We should have left with three points today - easily btw because Swansea - as Burnley - was shit, but shit happens on results too and it happened today.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

22 minutes ago, nono said:

Our football hasn't really improved is what I'm saying.

You mean offensively or defensively ? Because defensively there's spectacular diffrence, offensively it's hard to say. Maybe Hazard is difference here but keep in mind we signed ONE offensive player who is a sub. We can build structures and organize the team all we want and defensively it gives effects but you can't fool when it comes to creating. Giving Guardiola example is just plain stupid, he bought several offensive players and inherited spectacular squad even before these new additions. While our Player of the Year is not able to create a situation and guy like Moses is called for the rescue (to his credit, he was on different threat level to our POTY).

I was calling for offensive signings before signing a defender. You can cover your weakness in defense by being well drilled machine but you can hardly do this on the other end.

All in all, we're on course of finishing in top3 which is our aim.