The Mourinho Thread

[Styles 9,790]

  On 29/09/2014 at 19:07, Polo7 said:

Lets find something.....anything about Mourinho and just moan. Sounds like a plan. I hate that he never wears suits....oh wait he does now. What else can we moan about? Oh he never waits till the final whistle, very disrespectful. Get a life people jheez.

I wasn't going to mention it until I saw it being talked about in here. And there are people acting as if Lambert is in the wrong. You couldn't make it up.

  On 29/09/2014 at 19:27, Barbara said:

he can leave whenever he wants, a guy refusing to shake his outstretched hand is way more disrespectful. He went out of his way to greet Lambert, it's not like he went down the tunnel and ignored his opponent.

Why is it disrespectful to leave the pitch a couple of minutes before? He's been doing it for years and he's not the only one. Normally when his team wins convincingly he leaves early so they can get some props from the support and the media awaiting them. He even talked about it in the past. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. There was a manager somewhere (I guess it was Italy) that liked to watch the match from the stands because he said it gave him better vision. I don't see this as disrespectful (not what this manager did or what Mourinho does).

How about because, er, the game actually hasn't finished? It's really that simple. I just find it completely unnecessary.

Yeah, when his team wins convincingly he leaves early. Why? Pretty much every other manager sees the game out whether they win, lose or draw. And let's not act like there's some deep, logical reasoning for why he does it; the one reason he's given so far is he needed to tell his wife the result (after the Arsenal game) or some other nonsense. Like she isn't already aware or can't wait a few minutes.

It's like a boxer telling his opponent: "You know that, mate? I've won the previous 11 rounds so let's just call it day. There's no way you can win or come back from this position. I have won convincingly. You're dead, finished, finito...kaput. And I've got a pizza waiting in the back that's getting cold. Yeah, margherita. It's my favourite."

STAY, GODDAMMIT! SEE THE GAME OUT.

[Cosmin 2,484]

Imagine if it was Manchester United / City / Arsenal / Liverpool / West Ham / You name it's manager doing that. It's disrespectful. Stop being so biased. Some of you seem to believe that Mourinho is God. Well, he is not and he does wrong things sometimes. Wanting to shake hands before the end of the game (only when he's winning) is wrong and disprespectful, in my opinion, because when you're losing it's annoying to see the other manager coming to you like that. At the end of the game, it's something else. You know that it's over and you are over it.

[robdog 2,084]

  On 29/09/2014 at 20:06, Styles said:

It's like a boxer telling his opponent: "You know that, mate? I've won the previous 11 rounds so let's just call it day.

STAY, GODDAMMIT! SEE THE GAME OUT.

So is it disrespectful to walk away from an opponent that you already beaten like Mark Hunt does? I don't think so. He knows that he won so why inflict more pain?

[Styles 9,790]

  On 29/09/2014 at 20:11, Cosmin said:

Imagine if it was Manchester United / City / Arsenal / Liverpool / West Ham / You name it's manager doing that. It's disrespectful. Stop being so biased. Some of you seem to believe that Mourinho is God. Well, he is not and he does wrong things sometimes. Wanting to shake hands before the end of the game (only when he's winning) is wrong and disprespectful, in my opinion.

Imagine Simeone went to shake hands 10 minutes early after the battering at Stamford Bridge last season. What would Mourinho's reaction have been then? Do you think the same people in here finding excuses would have found that OK? I doubt it.

[Styles 9,790]

  On 29/09/2014 at 20:13, robdog said:

So is it disrespectful to walk away from an opponent that you already beaten like Mark Hunt does? I don't think so. He knows that he won so why inflict more pain?

I bet that guy didn't walk out the ring at that precise moment. He probably did something crazy like stick around until it was officially over.

[robdog 2,084]

  On 29/09/2014 at 20:16, Styles said:

I bet that guy didn't walk out the ring at that precise moment. He probably did something crazy like stick around until it was officially over.

Well he stopped fighting & people were complaining saying it was show boating that he walks aways from opponents after knocking them out. He does this with everyone. He knocks 'em out & stop fighting. It's MMA, you are supposed to stop fighting when the ref stops the fight. Hunt doesn't do this, but in most cases he is right. The fight is over & no reason to keep on fighting. In MMA people keep on fighting, even if their opponent is down. It's like they want their opponent to take a blow in the after life. Here is an example:

I am sure that fighter didn't feel those last 3 blows cause he was already KTFO. Jose just knows when it's over.

[Styles 9,790]

  On 29/09/2014 at 20:27, robdog said:

Well he stopped fighting & people were complaining saying it was show boating that he walks aways from opponents after knocking them out. He does this with everyone. He knocks 'em out & stop fighting. It's MMA, you are supposed to stop fighting when the ref stops the fight. Hunt doesn't do this, but in most cases he is right. The fight is over & no reason to keep on fighting. In MMA people keep on fighting, even if their opponent is down. It's like they want their opponent to take a blow in the after life. Here is an example:

I am sure that fighter didn't feel those last 3 blows cause he was already KTFO. Jose just knows when it's over.

No disrespect but I think your analogy isn't comparable whatsoever.

Jose knows when it's over - who the hell doesn't? - but that doesn't mean he needs to leave early.

[Barbara 15,149]

OMG!!!!! Are you guys comparing someone that ISN'T playing, that leaves the dugout a couple of minutes before a match his team already won to a boxer abandoning a round? Sorry, but that's the most stupid thing I've ever read here.

Pep frigging Guardiola - who I despise - could make it and I wouldn't mind... I've seen MANY managers do it before. It has nothing to do with bias, with him being our manager. And please, say another fucking bullshit because saying 'Mourinho is God' towards others is also tiresome. If I had a pound every time I read this here, I'd be probably as rich as Mourinho....

So Lambert couldn't shake a hand otherwise he would miss something so important in the game that he would influence and Mourinho is in the wrong.

The more time I spend on this forum, the harder it becomes to come back... someday I just won't anymore.

I'll go to the Hazard thread now. I'll complain about the kind of underwear he wears... at least is something I think nobody moaned before.

When we win convincingly like we did this weekend the forum is very slow, until a new moaning reason comes around. When we draw (I'm wondering how this will look like the next time we lose a match) against a team that is arguably stronger than ours, people will moan saying we're coward (I even used this word, but I don't see much wrong with the approach we used). Moaning, moaning, moaning, moaning, moaning.

There are other ways/reasons way funnier to moan...

[Styles 9,790]

  On 29/09/2014 at 20:40, Barbara said:

OMG!!!!! Are you guys comparing someone that ISN'T playing, that leaves the dugout a couple of minutes before a match his team already won to a boxer abandoning a round? Sorry, but that's the most stupid thing I've ever read here.

Pep frigging Guardiola - who I despite - could make it and I wouldn't mind... I've seen MANY managers do it before. It has nothing to do with bias, with him being our manager.

So Lambert couldn't shake a hand otherwise he would miss something so important in the game that he would influence and Mourinho is in the wrong.

The more time I spend on this forum, the harder it becomes to come back... someday I just won't anymore.

You trivialise Lambert's reason for not shaking Mourinho's hand and the make excuses for Mourinho ("well other people do it too!" being the worst). Someday I won't bother with this forum as well. The cult of Mourinho makes this place unbearable at times.

[Cosmin 2,484]

  On 29/09/2014 at 20:40, Barbara said:

OMG!!!!! Are you guys comparing someone that ISN'T playing, that leaves the dugout a couple of minutes before a match his team already won to a boxer abandoning a round? Sorry, but that's the most stupid thing I've ever read here.

Pep frigging Guardiola - who I despise - could make it and I wouldn't mind... I've seen MANY managers do it before. It has nothing to do with bias, with him being our manager. And please, say another fucking bullshit because saying 'Mourinho is God' towards others is also tiresome. If I had a pound every time I read this here, I'd be probably as rich as Mourinho....

So Lambert couldn't shake a hand otherwise he would miss something so important in the game that he would influence and Mourinho is in the wrong.

The more time I spend on this forum, the harder it becomes to come back... someday I just won't anymore.

I'll go to the Hazard thread now. I'll complain about the kind of underwear he wears... at least is something I think nobody moaned before.

When we win convincingly like we did this weekend the forum is very slow, until a new moaning reason comes around. When we draw (I'm wondering how this will look like the next time we lose a match) against a team that is arguably stronger than ours, people will moan saying we're coward (I even used this word, but I don't see much wrong with the approach we used). Moaning, moaning, moaning, moaning, moaning.

There are other ways/reasons way funnier to moan...

That's the kind of overreaction that makes me believe that for some people Mourinho is God. Someone just said that, from his point of view, it's disrespectful to leave before the end of the game and you start complaining about how it's harder to come back on this forum and threating that you won't do it anymore one day.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

  On 29/09/2014 at 20:11, Cosmin said:

Imagine if it was Manchester United / City / Arsenal / Liverpool / West Ham / You name it's manager doing that. It's disrespectful. Stop being so biased. Some of you seem to believe that Mourinho is God. Well, he is not and he does wrong things sometimes. Wanting to shake hands before the end of the game (only when he's winning) is wrong and disprespectful, in my opinion, because when you're losing it's annoying to see the other manager coming to you like that. At the end of the game, it's something else. You know that it's over and you are over it.

Revenge is a dish best served cold.

[Jase 43,479]

  On 29/09/2014 at 18:14, Styles said:

It is pretty disrespectful though in my honest opinion. I don't get why he has to disappear 5 minutes before the game has finished; just shake hands at the end of the game like everybody else, everything else can wait.

  On 29/09/2014 at 20:06, Styles said:

How about because, er, the game actually hasn't finished? It's really that simple. I just find it completely unnecessary.

Yeah, when his team wins convincingly he leaves early. Why? Pretty much every other manager sees the game out whether they win, lose or draw. And let's not act like there's some deep, logical reasoning for why he does it; the one reason he's given so far is he needed to tell his wife the result (after the Arsenal game) or some other nonsense. Like she isn't already aware or can't wait a few minutes.

Just to join this petty argument for the fun of it, you hit the nail of the head there. It does smack of arrogance whenever Mourinho does that, especially when he chooses when he wants to leave early based on whether we have won the game already or not. It's as bad/disrespectful as when one manager doesn't want to shake the hand of another manager. Imagine the meltdown here if someone does that to Mourinho.

[Tomo 21,741]

  On 29/09/2014 at 20:47, Styles said:

You trivialise Lambert's reason for not shaking Mourinho's hand and the make excuses for Mourinho ("well other people do it too!" being the worst). Someday I won't bother with this forum as well. The cult of Mourinho makes this place unbearable at times.

It works both ways, I have seen Liverpool fans show Hodgson more respect than a few select members (not you mate) here show the club's best ever manager.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

(1) I personally think it's pretty disrespectful myself because Jose doesn't do the same when we lose or draw, if he was consistent then I don't think it will be an issue. I've also heard commentators criticizing him for doing that. I can see how it might be deemed disrespectful from a neutral perspective when your team is getting trashed and the opposition manager wants to shake hands early and leave. It's unnecessary.

(2) Yes, the media is also going to have a massive moan about something that wasn't even picked up by the camera because it's Mourinho. They sensationalize much less, so it's to be expected. In a different country with a different culture, this wouldn't even be a big deal, as Barbara rightly said.

[HD3D 1,038]

  On 29/09/2014 at 18:35, lionsden said:

I wonder why he never leaves early when we are losing or drawing a game. I totally agree with you. It's disrespectful and unnecessary.

Actually, I remember seeing Jose leave 1 or 2 games early at Real Madrid during extra time when he was losing for more than 1 goal. It's just that that almost never happens so it's a rare sight. I actually remember seeing that more than once when he was losing to Barcelona.

The game is over. There is nothing left to see. At the end of the game, you can either be a sensitive little bitch about it or take it like a man, go home and do a better job next time.

In this video of the Euro final where Spain beat Italy 4-0, Casillas asks the referee to have respect for Italy and end the game during extra time because the result was 4-0. According to your logic, this was disrespectful to Italy because the game was not over yet.

[Styles 9,790]

  On 29/09/2014 at 20:56, Tomo said:

It works both ways, I have seen Liverpool fans show Hodgson more respect than a few select members (not you mate) here show the club's best ever manager.

I think those guys are nothing but trolls who shouldn't be taken seriously. I may or may not have said some pretty harsh stuff about Mourinho before (tactics mainly, I think ), but on the whole I'd say I'm balanced; I give him and every Chelsea player/manager etc both praise and criticism when I think it's due.

I will, however, never understand the 'Mourinho is always right and can do no wrong' camp. Get a grip, man. It's as if anything that even resembles a slight difference in opinion gets shouted down.

[Barbara 15,149]

  On 29/09/2014 at 20:48, Cosmin said:

That's the kind of overreaction that makes me believe that for some people Mourinho is God. Someone just said that, from his point of view, it's disrespectful to leave before the end of the game and you start complaining about how it's harder to come back on this forum and threating that you won't do it anymore one day.

Mourinho isn't a God, you think I consider him that. Some people may not be fools, but I consider them just that. See the similarity? You're making an assumption, I'm making another.

He isn't a God, he's doing nothing wrong. In Brazil many managers don't even greet each other. I can't be arsed or bothered by something so small. But you can.

Have fun moaning ... I'll have mine watching the team play or analyzing it.

[Cosmin 2,484]

  On 29/09/2014 at 21:10, Barbara said:

Mourinho isn't a God, you think I consider him that. Some people may not be fools, but I consider them just that. See the similarity? You're making an assumption, I'm making another.

He isn't a God, he's doing nothing wrong. In Brazil many managers don't even greet each other. I can't be arsed or bothered by something so small. But you can.

Have fun moaning ... I'll have mine watching the team play or analyzing it.

In Brazil, a referee got murdered on the field one year ago, so I don't think that bringing the Brazilian example is a smart thing to do in this situation (no disrespect to the Brazilians).

I'm not the one who threatened to leave the forum because there are people with a different opinion than mine, so I don't know who's the one 'arsed or bothered'.