Polo7 3,496 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I'm not ridiculing him, mate. Just making an observation. Jose is still my guy but we shouldn't have retreated into a shell in the last 20 mins against that United side. I also agree that perhaps 1 or 2 players put up unacceptable performances today which is beyond the manager's hands. Before he put Mikel on we had already lost the midfield battle. It was a good idea to take Oscar off and push Cesc forward. Unfortunately he chose Mikel to come on and not Ramires (was he on the bench?) I just hope he doesnt do this against Liverpool. Cholo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Term-X 7,891 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 He was wrong to bring Zouma on, his inexperience cost us.. ball watching for the goal. xPetrCechx and Fernando 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 At some point you have to change your approach. This is the second time we've sat deeper vs a non-mediocre team and it was also the second time that the opponent managed to score a goal to tie things up. I'm all for not going out full-attack but at least we should be able to control the game when we're up 1:0. That really shouldn't be too much to ask for. Madmax, Joker10, Fernando and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Before he put Mikel on we had already lost the midfield battle. It was a good idea to take Oscar off and push Cesc forward. Unfortunately he chose Mikel to come on and not Ramires (was he on the bench?) I just hope he doesnt do this against Liverpool. We did? Maybe in the first half we lost the midfield battle, but we were cruising and dominating possession when Oscar came off. It's not even that he brought Mikel off, it's the shift in attitude of the team to full defensive mode with 20 MINS to go. Those are tactical orders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo7 3,496 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 We did? Maybe in the first half we lost the midfield battle, but we were cruising and dominating possession when Oscar came off. It's not even that he brought Mikel off, it's the shift in attitude of the team to full defensive mode with 20 MINS to go. Those are tactical orders.United were hitting us with some decent attempts before Oscar came off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Bayern go for 4 up in the 1st half against Roma away from home, score 3 more in the 2nd half...Chelsea go 1-0 up against a shit MU team with 30 mins to go, immediately go for defensive approach. Not saying it is right or wrong but just to put it into perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom2013 446 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Bayern go for 4 up in the 1st half against Roma away from home, score 3 more in the 2nd half...Chelsea go 1-0 up against a shit MU team with 30 mins to go, immediately go for defensive approach. Not saying it is right or wrong but just to put it into perspective.And Bayern had a new draw for the third time in the league right now, Bayern lost more points than Chelsea in a League where they don't have any oponent. The reality is that almost for sure with Mourinho CHelsea don't lose against big teams... and it seems really easy this kind of games... But it's not like that.Before a game against WBA every one here is really concerned because it's a difficult game... but then you want to win without any problems in Old Trafford.Chelsea had the best record against the big 4 or 5 last season, and this season we will do it again. If you want to win scoring 4 goals in old trafford buy Messi or Ronaldo, and Bale and Suarez.Put that into perspective. kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Bayern go for 4 up in the 1st half against Roma away from home, score 3 more in the 2nd half...Chelsea go 1-0 up against a shit MU team with 30 mins to go, immediately go for defensive approach. Not saying it is right or wrong but just to put it into perspective.and Peps Barca tried to kill us off our worse team for 2 decades and got suker punched on the counter (Ramires goal).There's no right or wrong when defending a lead. Blue Armour, The Skipper, TheOneChan95 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholo 428 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Bayern go for 4 up in the 1st half against Roma away from home, score 3 more in the 2nd half...Chelsea go 1-0 up against a shit MU team with 30 mins to go, immediately go for defensive approach. Not saying it is right or wrong but just to put it into perspective.Bayern lost to Real at home 4-0. Bayern played 0-0 against Hamburg. Bayern play 0-0 against Gladbach. mufilika, darrus and didierforever 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 We lost?...Don't even bother with couris and nono. All they do is come to the forum after a draw or a loss and moan about one thing or another. nono and Cholo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 And Bayern had a new draw for the third time in the league right now, Bayern lost more points than Chelsea in a League where they don't have any oponent. The reality is that almost for sure with Mourinho CHelsea don't lose against big teams... and it seems really easy this kind of games... But it's not like that.Before a game against WBA every one here is really concerned because it's a difficult game... but then you want to win without any problems in Old Trafford.Chelsea had the best record against the big 4 or 5 last season, and this season we will do it again. If you want to win scoring 4 goals in old trafford buy Messi or Ronaldo, and Bale and Suarez.Put that into perspective.I actually think Bundesliga quality improved this season, can't be a coincidence that Bayer, Bayern, Schalke, Wolfsburg and Dortmund all struggled a few times. Dortmund especially lost already like 5 games, I mean they are not that shit right?You don't have to have Messi, CR7, Bale...etc you just need the mentality. Once you go 1 up you want more, but with Jose it is settle down and kill it. Not saying it is right or wrong because it brought Jose so much success but still it could be changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Bayern lost to Real at home 4-0. Bayern played 0-0 against Hamburg. Bayern play 0-0 against Gladbach. Dude. Stop making sense. Dint u get the memo? After every draw/loss, people will critisize Jose.I mean, cesc was having a great match was not he? As was oscar? We should have continued losing balls in the mid and be circumspect to counters rather than try and protect a lead on a day where most of our best attacking options were poor, we were playinf a 36 year old striker who has limitations. I mean these guys should be football managers. Cholo and darrus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroey 2,525 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/9536447/jose-praises-'fantastic'-chelseaPost match interview vs ManU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 and Peps Barca tried to kill us off our worse team for 2 decades and got suker punched on the counter (Ramires goal).There's no right or wrong when defending a lead.are we using our 2 games against them as template for success in defending? the games where they hit the post, miss 1 on 1 and really should be scoring probably 7-8 goals over 2 matches? Or do you mean something else? 2 decades what LOL?Bayern lost to Real at home 4-0. Bayern played 0-0 against Hamburg. Bayern play 0-0 against Gladbach. Irrelevance. Jose Madrid also got messed 5-0 a few years ago by Pep Barca. I am using the situation ATM. Also drawing 0-0 against 2 small bus parking clubs is a lot different from drawing for being defensive in big matches. If we want to play this game we also did it against Norwich...etc last season.I am not criticizing Jose or his tactic, I just think it is time for him to change a bit with his mentality and approach. Maybe lets get 2 goals lead from now on and park the plane after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhead23 1,147 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Not the end of the world. Tough, but Man U are improving. 2 points from Manchester won't lose us the title. We are still 6 points ahead of City and they have to come to our house next time.Yes we wouldnt lose the title and are well ahead ... But games like these are the ones which needs to be finished off, that what champions do ... Were United improving, i dont think so ... at times we made them look good, we didnt really test their weak defence, instead Fellani of all ppl bullied us in the middle. We are much much better than what we put up today, so falling down couple of levels and losing out 2 points is not really done (for me) ...I know we need to look into the positives but if we aspire to be champions we need to be ruthless in our execution and not be content by a point specially when we have the quality to finish off opponents ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholo 428 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I actually think Bundesliga quality improved this season, can't be a coincidence that Bayer, Bayern, Schalke, Wolfsburg and Dortmund all struggled a few times. Dortmund especially lost already like 5 games, I mean they are not that shit right?I am actually German and support a German side. You could not be further from the truth, please stop spreading Bullshit. What you are telling is totally wrong and false. Zero knowledge of football but always good for a senseless comment, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,572 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Shame... again... When I saw mikel I knew that we are going to concede....and zouma... did nothing at their goal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 are we using our 2 games against them as template for success in defending? the games where they hit the post, miss 1 on 1 and really should be scoring probably 7-8 goals over 2 matches? Or do you mean something else? 2 decades what LOL?Irrelevance. Jose Madrid also got messed 5-0 a few years ago by Pep Barca. I am using the situation ATM. Also drawing 0-0 against 2 small bus parking clubs is a lot different from drawing for being defensive in big matches. If we want to play this game we also did it against Norwich...etc last season.I am not criticizing Jose or his tactic, I just think it is time for him to change a bit with his mentality and approach. Maybe lets get 2 goals lead from now on and park the plane after.Our 11/12 team was the worse since the mid 90's, we were terrible im still at a loss explaining how we pulled off the FA Cup never mind the CL.Doesn't matter how many times they hit post, after Iniestas goal they went all out to kill us off, and we suker punched them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Term-X 7,891 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 The little details have cost us the 3 points, Ivanovic giving away a needless foul, Zouma ball watching for the goal... nono 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 and Peps Barca tried to kill us off our worse team for 2 decades and got suker punched on the counter (Ramires goal).There's no right or wrong when defending a lead.2 decades? Exaggerating much haha?There is no full proof method but I think going for that second goal, which doesn't mean going all-out attack (even though many seem to refuse to believe that), pays off more often than sitting back. The Chels and Joker10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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