Chelsea? 892 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 ^ Smfh, I felt like smashing my head against a wall when I read this, I've been here since 2009 and that's the stupidest post I've ever seen and that includes bushman's material.Mourinho going to United now wouldn't make any sense on any level whatsoever, literally no chance of it happening.. A "new challenge" is going to a different league! (germany, france etc), not up north to win the same trophies he's won here. There is no connection/affection or.. anything! in regards to Jose and United, he idolised Ferguson and they had a friendship. It's all about red nose, not the club he was managing. Mourinho was one of a select few people who knew Ferguson was retiring before it was announced.. History - the idea that he would go there because it's United is laughable, on that basis I suppose he's off to Liverpool then. Legacy - He's had two stints here now, he's Chelsea through and through, he knows how passionate and tribalistic football fans get and wouldn't want to destroy his legacy.. Money - Mourinho is the 2nd highest paid manager in club football, because of 'Chelsea'.. United can't compete and won't.I meant 5 years from now. When he's already won everything he can possibly when with us. But please don't reply to my posts anymore if you're gonna use that tone. iseah100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneChan95 225 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I meant 5 years from now. When he's already won everything he can possibly when with us. But please don't reply to my posts anymore if you're gonna use that tone. I get your point but having completed the club set of pretty much every major trophy from England, Spain and Italy, I think he would set his sights on something else. I suspect he may manage an international side. Can you imagine if he wins either a Euro or a World Cup or possibly both? His status as the greatest manager of all time would be unchallenged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Term-X 7,891 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I meant 5 years from now. When he's already won everything he can possibly when with us. But please don't reply to my posts anymore if you're gonna use that tone. And that's exactly what I meant.. 5 years from now, or ANY TIME, beyond this point. As I already clarified with the poster above. All those points are applicable to any point in time from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Term-X 7,891 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I get your point but having completed the club set of pretty much every major trophy from England, Spain and Italy, I think he would set his sights on something else. I suspect he may manage an international side. Can you imagine if he wins either a Euro or a World Cup or possibly both? His status as the greatest manager of all time would be unchallenged.He doesn't have a point. This idea that Mourinho wanted the United job was fiction to start with, it was Ferguson he had admiration for not United. Fulham Broadway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 . Legacy - He's had two stints here now, he's Chelsea through and through, he knows how passionate and tribalistic football fans get and wouldn't want to destroy his legacy. . Money - Mourinho is the 2nd highest paid manager in club football, because of 'Chelsea'.. United can't compete and won't. I don't think Mourinho will go to United but neither do I particularly agree with these points. He's ruthless and egotistical and we love him for that. But that also means if he thought managing United would be the best thing for his career then he would do it regardless of what us Chelsea fans thought (especially if he were sacked). With the last point are you saying United can't compete with us in terms of money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Term-X 7,891 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I don't think Mourinho will go to United but neither do I particularly agree with these points. He's ruthless and egotistical and we love him for that. But that also means if he thought managing United would be the best thing for his career then he would do it regardless of what us Chelsea fans thought (especially if he were sacked). With the last point are you saying United can't compete with us in terms of money?Chelsea?' main and 'only' point was that he'd want a new challenge, which makes no sense as he'd only be repeating the same domestic trophies he's won here. Mourinho earns almost 1.5m more than Van Gaal, and it's not like Roman would be unable to compete with United if they offered him more. So yes, there is no 'money element'. I personally don't think he'd want to be known as a judas and ruin a BIG part of his legacy (which is Chelsea), he always showed the club and fans respect when he was at Inter & Real. Jose is practically synonymous with the club now, it would almost be like Ferguson coming here.- Chelsea was a step up from Porto - Inter was a new challenge in a different country - Real was a step-up from inter - United would be a step down.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Chelsea?' main and 'only' point was that he'd want a new challenge, which makes no sense as he'd only be repeating the same domestic trophies he's won here. Mourinho earns almost 1.5m more than Van Gaal, and it's not like Roman would be unable to compete with United if they offered him more. So yes, there is no 'money element'. I personally don't think he'd want to be known as a judas and ruin a BIG part of his legacy (which is Chelsea), he always showed the club and fans respect when he was at Inter & Real. Jose is practically synonymous with the club now, it would almost be like Ferguson coming here.- Chelsea was a step up from Porto - Inter was a new challenge in a different country - Real was a step-up from inter - United would be a step down..United could and would easily beat us on wages if it was about that particularly as we become more concerned with FFP. If we're honest Madrid to Chelsea is a step down but Chelsea to United wouldn't be. I doubt Mourinho will ever manage them but if he becomes available and they're in a need of a manager I would not be surprised at all to see him take the post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneChan95 225 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 He doesn't have a point. This idea that Mourinho wanted the United job was fiction to start with, it was Ferguson he had admiration for not United.I meant the part where he might seek a new challenge. He seems to have this insatiable appetite to achieve more. He doesn't get too caught up in the celebrations whenever he wins something because he is always thinking about the next one. I doubt he would go to United as it would be a step down when he succeeds here. He has already won it in England so that probably wouldn't be his idea of a challenge.Becoming an international coach is not so far fetched as he did make comments about managing either Portugal or England. But I think that will probably be much further down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Term-X 7,891 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 United could and would easily beat us on wages if it was about that particularly as we become more concerned with FFP. If we're honest Madrid to Chelsea is a step down but Chelsea to United wouldn't be. I doubt Mourinho will ever manage them but if he becomes available and they're in a need of a manager I would not be surprised at all to see him take the post.No it wouldn't, and we're having no problems with FFP (what Jose said in the press recently is mind games, heaps the pressure on United). Mourinho is the second highest paid manager in world football, we are the status quo. You have no argument for United being a 'step up', other than their history.. the same arguments Liverpool fans have. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneChan95 225 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 United could and would easily beat us on wages if it was about that particularly as we become more concerned with FFP. If we're honest Madrid to Chelsea is a step down but Chelsea to United wouldn't be. I doubt Mourinho will ever manage them but if he becomes available and they're in a need of a manager I would not be surprised at all to see him take the post.United could outmuscle us financially at the moment and FFP does maintain the status quo. I doubt money is his main objective though. I agree with you that I think he is ruthless enough to take it, but the circumstances here at Chelsea must be really dire if he would want to go there.In my opinion, I think his time at Madrid really made him appreciate the fans that he has here. For him to forsake us would require almost everything to go wrong now. The Chels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 No it wouldn't, and we're having no problems with FFP (what Jose said in the press recently is mind games, heaps the pressure on United). Mourinho is the second highest paid manager in world football. You have no argument for United being a 'step up', other than their history.. the same arguments Liverpool fans have.It seems like you're really understimating the wealth and stature of United. If it were simply a case of money then there's absolutely no chance we'd outdo them (yes Jose gets paid more than van Gaal but if they wanted to make him the highest paid manager in the world they could do it easily); and if you think that United isn't a step up from Chelsea in terms of the magnitude and national/worldwide standing of the club then your Chelsea bias is clouding your better judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 It seems like you're really understimating the wealth and stature of United. If it were simply a case of money then there's absolutely no chance we'd outdo them (yes Jose gets paid more than van Gaal but if they wanted to make him the highest paid manager in the world they could do it easily); and if you think that United isn't a step up from Chelsea in terms of the magnitude and national/worldwide standing of the club then your Chelsea bias is clouding your better judgement.How much of a step up though? A step up in what way exactly? What would Jose have there that he doesn't have here?You're grossly overestimating United's stature IMO. Term-X and iseah100 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea? 892 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I get your point but having completed the club set of pretty much every major trophy from England, Spain and Italy, I think he would set his sights on something else. I suspect he may manage an international side. Can you imagine if he wins either a Euro or a World Cup or possibly both? His status as the greatest manager of all time would be unchallenged. Yea, the chances of him going to a national team are much greater than United. there aren't many things I'd hate to see more than Jose at United, that's why I brought it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 How much of a step up though? A step up in what way exactly? What would Jose have there that he doesn't have here?You're grossly overestimating United's stature IMO.I don’t think I’m exaggerating United’s stature tbh. Is it an overestimation to say that United have more prestige, fans, history (clichéd but true), national and worldwide recognition, and financial prowess? While we are a big club I'm willing to admit we are not on the same level as United, and for managers it is a bigger proposition. Perhaps now that Jose has already managed a club at that 'top, top' level in Real he'd be less inclined to take the United job but to say it is a step down from Chelsea (according to Term anyway) is completely wrong imo. Chelsea? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 He said he would never join Chelsea or Inter rival...But United is hardly our rival nowdays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea? 892 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 it would be pretty awesome to be known as the guy that was able to successfully replace Alex Ferguson; especially if you have a high opinion of him.Do I think this is likely? no. I just don't wanna see it happen AT ALL. that's pretty much my entire point. It's like a happily married man being scared his wife will divorce him in the future because he thinks she'll be bored of him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I dont think Im exaggerating Uniteds stature tbh. Is it an overestimation to say that United have more prestige, fans, history (clichéd but true), national and worldwide recognition, and financial prowess? While we are a big club I'm willing to admit we are not on the same level as United, and for managers it is a bigger proposition. Perhaps now that Jose has already managed a club at that 'top, top' level in Real he'd be less inclined to take the United job but to say it is a step down from Chelsea (according to Term anyway) is completely wrong imo.Even if those points are true, are United that big that he'll shun us for them considering he's already done the 'prestige' club thing at Real? The gap truly isn't as big as you're making it seem. As Term said, he's already done it before, and it's already off his to do list IMO. His focus right now is to get us to that Real Madrid, Barcelona, United level. That in itself is much more challenging and intriguing for Mou than the United job IMO. Term-X and Barbara 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Even if those points are true, are United that big that he'll shun us for them considering he's already done the 'prestige' club thing at Real? The gap truly isn't as big as you're making it seem.As Term said, he's already done it before, and it's already off his to do list IMO. His focus right now is to get us to that Real Madrid, Barcelona, United level. That in itself is much more challenging and intriguing for Mou than the United job IMO.It all depends on the circumances. If he were to be sacked then I have no doubt he'd be willing to take the United job. Chelsea? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 It all depends on the circumances. If he were to be sacked then I have no doubt he'd be willing to take the United job.Absolutely, but that has nothing to do with the fact that United might be bigger in stature than us... More to do with the fact that it's another top job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 The Mou wants the United job myth is hilarious, he has never actually done anything to suggest he wants it if you read between the lines. Term-X 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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